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Does anybody here have any experience with Infrared

Saunas? Also could you recommend one?

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I saw one like that on the ToolsForWellness website.

Only thing is (and I don't know how important this is)

they recommend it for people 6 ft and under AND 195

pounds and under. I am 6'1 and 210 pounds. Wonder if

it would be too small. What do you think?

--- gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

> I've used one for the past two years on and off. I

> got a portable

> infrared sauna off of ebay for $200 if I remember

> correctly. Its teh

> kind where you sit on a little seat and your head

> sticks out and it

> zips up. It was a budget thing but its still is

> working good and it

> really makes me sweat, and I'm certain it gets a lot

> of toxins out.

>

> I would highly recommend getting one because I think

> sweating is one

> of the best ways to get a lot of toxins that we are

> exposed to

> today...and its especially good at removing heavy

> metals.

>

> The only time I think saunas should be avoided or

> minimized is if you

> have very weak adrenals.

>

> -

>

>

>

> >

> > Does anybody here have any experience with

> Infrared

> > Saunas? Also could you recommend one?

> >

> > -

> >

> > Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

> > Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

> > The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

> > The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

> > The best lack all conviction, while the worst

> > Are full of passionate intensity.

> >

> > -WB Yeats

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I've used one for the past two years on and off. I got a portable

infrared sauna off of ebay for $200 if I remember correctly. Its teh

kind where you sit on a little seat and your head sticks out and it

zips up. It was a budget thing but its still is working good and it

really makes me sweat, and I'm certain it gets a lot of toxins out.

I would highly recommend getting one because I think sweating is one

of the best ways to get rid of a lot of toxins that we are exposed to

today...and its especially good at removing heavy metals.

The only time I think saunas should be avoided or minimized is if you

have very weak adrenals.

If you have any specific questions about them feel free to ask me.

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>

> Does anybody here have any experience with Infrared

> Saunas? Also could you recommend one?

>

> -

>

> Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

> The best lack all conviction, while the worst

> Are full of passionate intensity.

>

> -WB Yeats

>

>

>

>

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They sell extra large ones on ebay that should fit you. The normal

ones wouldn't comfortably. I'm 5'11 " and I could use a little extra

shoulder space in mine though it does fine.

Search for " portable xbig infrared sauna " on ebay and if you can't

find it just email me.

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> > >

> > > Does anybody here have any experience with

> > Infrared

> > > Saunas? Also could you recommend one?

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

> > > Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

> > > The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

> > > The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

> > > The best lack all conviction, while the worst

> > > Are full of passionate intensity.

> > >

> > > -WB Yeats

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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--- gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

> Search for " portable xbig infrared sauna " on ebay

> and if you can't

> find it just email me.

Thanks. I found it and will probably order one. Just

to be sure, I messaged the seller, questioning him

about this.

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> If you have any specific questions about them feel free to ask me.

Should you avoid them if you have mercury fillings? I think I've read

somewhere that they can cause problems if you still have fillings.

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--- " KerryAnn at CookingTF.com " <> Should you avoid

them if you have mercury fillings? >>

That's a good question. I got 1/2 of my mercury

filling removed this morning (by a biological dentist)

and will have the other half removed next week. I am

already starting to do a detox and that's the reason I

am inquiring about one of these infrared saunas.

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Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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If your interested in removing toxins from your body removing your

fillings would be the best place to start.

You could certainly still use a sauna with fillings, I just think it

would be more logical to get rid of the source of any toxins before

trying to cleanse your body.

I know replacing fillings is a costly procedure but if you haven't

read Hal Huggins books please do. He was a fan of Weston A Price and

a dentist himself and it really makes a huge difference to get every

single last filling removed before trying anything else.

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>

> > If you have any specific questions about them feel free to ask me.

>

> Should you avoid them if you have mercury fillings? I think I've read

> somewhere that they can cause problems if you still have fillings.

>

> KerryAnn

> www.TFrecipes.com/forum/- Traditional Foods Menu Mailer, recipes and

cooking

> helps, home-style TF meals your kids will LOVE

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--- gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

>> I know replacing fillings is a costly procedure but

> if you haven't

> read Hal Huggins books please do.

But not necessarily more expensive than regular

dentists. I have found a biological dentist in my

area that is at least as cheap, if not cheaper than

" regular " dentists. A good place for finding such a

dentist is on the I.A.O.M.T. website:

http://www.iaomt.org/

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If you have weak adrenals and you put your body through too much

stress it can make them worse. Heating your body up to temperatures

where you are literally soaked and dripping with sweat isn't no walk

in the park, even though it can feel physically relaxing.

I overused the sauna at one point (every day for like 30 minutes for

like a week) when I first got it and got all kind of symptoms which

told me I was over-stressing my adrenals. Heating your body up to

very hot may be very good for detoxifying but it still isn't a stress

free way of moving toxins out of your body.

Now I'm sure mercury played a big part in the symptoms I got from

overusing the sauna but I do think caution is necessary if you have

adrenal related problems.

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> > The only time I think saunas should be avoided or minimized is if you

> > have very weak adrenals.

>

> What is the connection there, ?

>

> Thanks,

> Suze

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>I'm certain it gets a lot of toxins out

How are you certain?

>because I think sweating is one

>of the best ways to get a lot of toxins that we are exposed to

>today...and its especially good at removing heavy metals

Why do you think that? And how do you know that heavy metals come out in

sweat?

I personally disagree with everything you said but since you seem so

certain, I'm interested in how you formed these opinions. I'm open minded if

your opinion is backed by science.

I did an infrared sauna once at my chiropractor's office and was told that I

would be able to see the toxins on the white towel they gave to dry off

with. Nothing on the towel. I believe that the liver and kidneys process

most of the toxins we are exposed to and they leave the body in our waste

material or get stored in the tissue. How does an infrared draw them out of

the tissue?

Thanks,

Kathy

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--- Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> >because I think sweating is one

> >of the best ways to get a lot of toxins that we are

> exposed to

> >today...and its especially good at removing heavy

> metals

> Why do you think that? And how do you know that

> heavy metals come out in

> sweat?

Thanks for asking this question, Kathy. I sometimes

jump to conclusions too fast and was getting ready to

order an Infrared Sauna without asking these essential

questions.

It makes common sense that heavy metals would come out

in sweat, but that does not mean that it happens.

It seems obvious that other types of chelators might

help release the toxins from the tissue, but does it

get transported out by the sweat through the skin? It

would seem that this would be fairly easy to measure.

If no such measurement is available, it would seem

that we can't go by " results " , since people doing

detox are usually doing a few different things and how

would we know that the infrared sauna would be a

causative factor?

I am awaiting Dr. Sherry 's " Dexot or Die " from

Amazon. I know that she uses infrared saunas quite a

bit, so I am hoping she has some explanation/proof.

I have Rasmussen's pamphlet " Natural Mercury

Detoxification " and he is what he says on the matter:

<<Infra-red heat penetrates several inches into the

body and not only stimualtes sweating, but also

directly acts to stimulate the organs of elimination.

The effect is to increase kidney activity, stimulate

the liver's formation of bile and speed the bile

through the gall bladder. Bowel function is also

stimulated, speeding the mercury-containing bile out

of the body.>>

Obviously Rasmussen's account may be incomplete, but

he does not seem to be making the claim that the

toxins are transported out of the body through sweat,

but rather that saunas " stimulate " the organs of

elimination (liver, kidneys).

If that is true, why would this be important given

that the person in question is having regular

urination and defecation?

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My opinion was formed mainly after talking to a lot of people

recovering/recovered from mercury amalgam poisoning on various forums

throughout the web, along with some other sources of course.

Traditional people knew what toxins were and many of them had

traditions of sweating to cleanse the body of them. The Native

Americans had sweat lodges, and many other cultures had similar

rituals involving sweating with the idea that it cleansed the body of

toxins. I can't name too many specifics but I know it was not an

uncommon idea.

Personally, I feel much clearer, more energized, and more focused

after using my sauna. This lasts for roughly 3-4 days afterward.

Strenuous exercise does exactly the opposite to me, making me feel

drained, less focused, and sore for a few days afterward.

Strenuous exercise creates a lot of metabolic toxins and I believe

from personal experience that saunas help remove a lot of metabolic

toxins.

I don't know exactly how it works, but it doesn't matter to me because

it works for me. Many alternative doctors have great success with it

as well.

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>

> >I'm certain it gets a lot of toxins out

> How are you certain?

>

> >because I think sweating is one

> >of the best ways to get a lot of toxins that we are exposed to

> >today...and its especially good at removing heavy metals

> Why do you think that? And how do you know that heavy metals come out in

> sweat?

>

> I personally disagree with everything you said but since you seem so

> certain, I'm interested in how you formed these opinions. I'm open

minded if

> your opinion is backed by science.

>

> I did an infrared sauna once at my chiropractor's office and was

told that I

> would be able to see the toxins on the white towel they gave to dry off

> with. Nothing on the towel. I believe that the liver and kidneys process

> most of the toxins we are exposed to and they leave the body in our

waste

> material or get stored in the tissue. How does an infrared draw them

out of

> the tissue?

>

> Thanks,

> Kathy

>

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the Swedes are well known for their " saunas " and actually I think the name

came from them. They like to go in the sauna and then jump in cold water

after.

Allyn

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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:43 PM

Subject: Re: Infrared Saunas

My opinion was formed mainly after talking to a lot of people

recovering/recovered from mercury amalgam poisoning on various forums

throughout the web, along with some other sources of course.

Traditional people knew what toxins were and many of them had

traditions of sweating to cleanse the body of them. The Native

Americans had sweat lodges, and many other cultures had similar

rituals involving sweating with the idea that it cleansed the body of

toxins. I can't name too many specifics but I know it was not an

uncommon idea.

Personally, I feel much clearer, more energized, and more focused

after using my sauna. This lasts for roughly 3-4 days afterward.

Strenuous exercise does exactly the opposite to me, making me feel

drained, less focused, and sore for a few days afterward.

Strenuous exercise creates a lot of metabolic toxins and I believe

from personal experience that saunas help remove a lot of metabolic

toxins.

I don't know exactly how it works, but it doesn't matter to me because

it works for me. Many alternative doctors have great success with it

as well.

-

>

> >I'm certain it gets a lot of toxins out

> How are you certain?

>

> >because I think sweating is one

> >of the best ways to get a lot of toxins that we are exposed to

> >today...and its especially good at removing heavy metals

> Why do you think that? And how do you know that heavy metals come out in

> sweat?

>

> I personally disagree with everything you said but since you seem so

> certain, I'm interested in how you formed these opinions. I'm open

minded if

> your opinion is backed by science.

>

> I did an infrared sauna once at my chiropractor's office and was

told that I

> would be able to see the toxins on the white towel they gave to dry off

> with. Nothing on the towel. I believe that the liver and kidneys process

> most of the toxins we are exposed to and they leave the body in our

waste

> material or get stored in the tissue. How does an infrared draw them

out of

> the tissue?

>

> Thanks,

> Kathy

>

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Look just because Swedes, Finns and Native Americans

used some form of sauna, does not mean that it is

efficace in detox.

Some traditional societies also practiced

cliterectomy, how many women on the list want to sign

up for that one?

Traditional societies also, in some instances,

practiced trepanation, but I will be damned if I am

going to go out and get a hole drilled into my head

without seeing some kind of evidence of its benefit

(maybe there is such evidence...I don't know).

My point is that we should not make a fetish out of

" traditional societies " .

Seriously though, I, too, would be surprized if there

were NOT some benefit from sauna, but I might be

wrong. It might actually be bad for you. That's why

I would like to see some kind of evidence or, at

least, thorough reasoning on the matter.

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Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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Its a lot more than those three groups. Chinese and Indian (from the

continent of India) Folk medicine both employed sweating for many

illnesses, both herbs that make you sweat and ways to make you

physically sweat.

Quoting extreme practices practiced in isolation is a lot different

than widespread time tested beliefs that sweat is a way to remove

bodily impurities.

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" 31,32 Workers occupationally

exposed to lead have extremely high levels of lead in

sweat even when their blood lead levels are only moderately

elevated.33 " Quoted from link below

http://www.ihs.gov/PublicInfo/Publications/HealthProvider/issues/prov698.pdf

" The use of the sauna for disease prevention in the workers of

enterprises with chemical and physical occupational hazards "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1866932

" Benefits and risks of sauna bathing. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11165553

" Effect of post-exercise sauna bathing on the endurance performance of

competitive male runners. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16877041

" Regular sauna bathing and the incidence of common colds. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2248758

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If you don't have enough 'proof' about saunas then don't get one.

There are obviously many other ways to get healthy. I love my sauna

and am really happy with it and can feel the difference, especially if

I don't use it for a while.

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--- In , Seay <entheogens@...>

wrote:

>

> Look just because Swedes, Finns and Native Americans

> used some form of sauna, does not mean that it is

> efficace in detox.

>

> Some traditional societies also practiced

> cliterectomy, how many women on the list want to sign

> up for that one?

>

> Traditional societies also, in some instances,

> practiced trepanation, but I will be damned if I am

> going to go out and get a hole drilled into my head

> without seeing some kind of evidence of its benefit

> (maybe there is such evidence...I don't know).

>

> My point is that we should not make a fetish out of

> " traditional societies " .

>

> Seriously though, I, too, would be surprized if there

> were NOT some benefit from sauna, but I might be

> wrong. It might actually be bad for you. That's why

> I would like to see some kind of evidence or, at

> least, thorough reasoning on the matter.

> -

>

> Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

> The best lack all conviction, while the worst

> Are full of passionate intensity.

>

> -WB Yeats

>

>

> __________________________________________________

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