Re: Vitamin D council - A is toxic?

[Guest guest]

,

> Why do they insist that Vit. A in Green Pastures, Carlsons etc. is

> toxic and WAPF says the opposite? Is this another believe who you want

> or are they onto something WAPF missed?

Are these the only two possibilities, either one must believe whatever

they want or WAPF is wrong?

Isn't there a third possibility, that Cannel is wrong?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Basically, there are 2 problems with some brands of CLO. The first is

the ratio of D to A. The proportion of A to D should be approximately

10:1. WAPF specifies this ratio as necessary and one reason they no

longer recommend Carlson's. The other problem is that many brands now

remove the vitamins and add them back in later to standardize the

amounts. Some companies have started using synthetic Vitamin A which

IS toxic. The site you were reading is just making broad, generalized

statements because of the potential for problems. I think WAPF and

much other literature has the research to back up the benefits of CLO.

Patty

Why do they insist that Vit. A in Green Pastures, Carlsons etc. is

toxic and WAPF says the opposite? Is this another believe who you want

or are they onto something WAPF missed?

[Guest guest]

have you seen this letter from WAPF about this issue?

http://www.greenpasture.org/node/86

--- In , " " <beauty4ashesisaiah61@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi i was reading some onfo on their site and they said this:

>

> * Unfortunately, Carlson keeps selling products with toxic amounts of

> vitamin A.

>

>

> * Why are you against cod liver oil?

> Cod liver oil contains toxic amounts of vitamin A. Vitamin A

> antagonizes the action of vitamin D. Stay tuned to the press. In

> several months you will see a clear warning by numerous experts not to

> take vitamin A or cod liver oil.

>

>

> Why do they insist that Vit. A in Green Pastures, Carlsons etc. is

> toxic and WAPF says the opposite? Is this another believe who you want

> or are they onto something WAPF missed?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Well obviously he could be wrong, i was inferring that by saying is it

one of those things - up to us what source we are going to believe. If

i choose to listen to WAPF and take my HV CLO then i am choosing he is

wrong.

There are plenty of experts out there who claim all their views are the

right way. He is one, saying groups are wrong for promoting CLO and

Vit. A. So, in my mind it is choose which side i am going to believe =

one is wrong.

> Are these the only two possibilities, either one must believe whatever

> they want or WAPF is wrong?

>

> Isn't there a third possibility, that Cannel is wrong?

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Patty. I forgot the ratio thing and already new about the

adding back and synthetic and assume most people are referring to

synthetic when they say A is bad. But if i recall correctly he

believes there is not a difference. I have read on other forums

where he warns moms to stop their GP HV CLO because it will further

damage their autistic children etc. So it seems he is making no

distinction and believes synthetic or natural = toxic.

--- In , " Patty " <mellowsong@...>

wrote:

>

> Basically, there are 2 problems with some brands of CLO. The first

is

> the ratio of D to A. The proportion of A to D should be > remove

the vitamins and add them back in later to standardize the

> amounts. Some companies have started using synthetic Vitamin A

which

> IS toxic. The site you were reading is just making broad,

generalized

> statements because of the potential for problems. I think WAPF and

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, i had not seen that, thanks!

--- In , " carolyn_graff " <zgraff@...>

wrote:

>

> have you seen this letter from WAPF about this issue?

> http://www.greenpasture.org/node/86

>

>

[Guest guest]

The ratio shouldn't be even the slightest issue if you get sun (somewhere

there is no vitamin D winter) daily... Actually, one would have to take

high amounts of CLO if they were spending any time outside in order to

maintain a 10:1 ratio... I mean, after all, if " Full-body exposure of pale

skin to summer sunshine for 30 minutes without clothing or sunscreen can

result in the synthesis of between 10,000 and 20,000 IU of vitamin D " (

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html#dwinter)

that means 100,000-200,000 IU of A would be in order. (aka 10-20 tsps of

Green Pastures CLO)

So, I can see Cannel's point... but only given the stereotype that no one

goes outside daily or when they finally do, they slather on SPF 60.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

[Guest guest]

Here's a question. How many reports of vitamin A toxicity from cod

liver oil are there in the literature? I don't know the answer to

that question, but Im thinking not a lot.

This happens a lot with 'natural' treatments. Some expert thinks

there *could* be a risk of something associated with the remedy, so

they warn all people against using it. Experts used to think high

dose fish oil posed a bleeding issue. However, upon studying intakes

of 10 grams per day for months on end, blood thinning was not an

issue.

Buddy

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> The ratio shouldn't be even the slightest issue if you get sun (somewhere

> there is no vitamin D winter) daily... Actually, one would have to take

> high amounts of CLO if they were spending any time outside in order to

> maintain a 10:1 ratio... I mean, after all, if " Full-body exposure of pale

> skin to summer sunshine for 30 minutes without clothing or sunscreen can

> result in the synthesis of between 10,000 and 20,000 IU of vitamin D " (

> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html#dwinter)

> that means 100,000-200,000 IU of A would be in order. (aka 10-20 tsps of

> Green Pastures CLO)

>

> So, I can see Cannel's point... but only given the stereotype that no one

> goes outside daily or when they finally do, they slather on SPF 60.

>

> -Lana

>

> " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

>

>

[Guest guest]

Become a member of WAPF and you will periodically get these updates if you give

them your

email address. I got this letter from WAPF but had deleted it from my inbox.

Then I found it

on the Green Pastures website.

> >

> > have you seen this letter from WAPF about this issue?

> > http://www.greenpasture.org/node/86

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just found all of the Action Alerts on the WAPF website, so you can go here to

read them

if you are not a member. You'll see the one on CLO listed here.

http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/actionalerts.html

> > >

> > > have you seen this letter from WAPF about this issue?

> > > http://www.greenpasture.org/node/86

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good point, had not thought of it like that.

>

> The ratio shouldn't be even the slightest issue if you get sun

(somewhere

> there is no vitamin D winter) daily... > result in the synthesis of

between 10,000 and 20,000 IU of vitamin D " (

> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-

safety.html#dwinter)

> that means 100,000-200,000 IU of A would be in order. (aka 10-20

tsps of

> Green Pastures CLO)

>

> So, I can see Cannel's point... but only given the stereotype that no

one

>

[Guest guest]

I am a member and receive the journal and action/alert emails. But not

this one or things discussing other info like this.

--- In , " carolyn_graff " <zgraff@...>

wrote:

>

> Become a member of WAPF and you will periodically get these updates

if you give them your

> email address. I got this letter from WAPF but had deleted it from my

inbox. Then I found it

> on the Green Pastures website.

>

>