Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, no problem. Belinda > > Hi All, > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > Thanks for your help, > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I eat raw eggs as well. I have read some info somewhere about raw eggs (don't remember where or when) but the chance of salmonella is very low. I think Mercola had some info on it a few years back but he feels you should not eat the whites. I feel it is the way God made the egg so why should I have to separate it. Just my opinion. Allyn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of labelleacres Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Raw Egg Safety Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, no problem. Belinda --- In <mailto: %40> , " feelgoodeats " <sue@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > Thanks for your help, > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Do you eat all foods EXACTLY as 'God' made them? --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > no problem. > > Belinda > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Sue > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I sure try to! As much in their natural state without processing as possible. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of implode7@... Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: Raw Egg Safety Do you eat all foods EXACTLY as 'God' made them? --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > no problem. > > Belinda > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Sue > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 But, the fact is that you don't....it really isn't possible. And in some cases, it might be true that foods might be better for you in a slightly altered form - after all, all animals aren't the same, and how can you discern whether God made a particular food exactly as it is for people, or maybe for warthogs? --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > > no problem. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Well, I guess we spend our life splitting hairs over this topic so I would prefer to back out of this discussion. Allyn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of implode7@... Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: RE: Re: Raw Egg Safety But, the fact is that you don't....it really isn't possible. And in some cases, it might be true that foods might be better for you in a slightly altered form - after all, all animals aren't the same, and how can you discern whether God made a particular food exactly as it is for people, or maybe for warthogs? --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > > no problem. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 God was mentioned so he had to jump in =). Seriously though the risk of Salmonella is very low in pastured hens. I can't remember the quote but the number was ridiculously low for the amount of fear people have. Now birds raised in production farming may be a whole different ball of wax but I still think it's absurd (and not healthy) to buy pasteurized eggs. Also the salmonella is on the shell so proper care will prevent problems. IE don't crack shell on a corner of a bowl or counter, use a flat surface so shell isn't pushed into the interior. Use your hand (CLEAN!) or an yolk separator tool and not the shell itself to separate yolk from white if you are consuming raw. Others do a quick vinegar rinse on the shell and I suppose food grade h2o2 would work as well. I give my son yolks, but not the whites. I give the cats yolks also, no whites. The dog I give him eggs and if he eats them he eats them. I had a great dane who would eat the eggs shell and all, she loved it. She lives with my ex now so I don't know if she still gets her pastured eggs. As with many other things the dangers are far exaggerated with the usual scare tactics and those that are based on experience have little to do with pastured animals but with animals raised in a most unhealthy, overcrowded and miserable way. Also animals fed antibiotics and unnatural diets that disrupt their natural gut flora. And of course there isn't profit for studies so good luck finding " hard evidence " to prove to your friend the fears are unjustified. Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ALLYN FERRIS Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: RE: Re: Raw Egg Safety Well, I guess we spend our life splitting hairs over this topic so I would prefer to back out of this discussion. Allyn From: <mailto: %40> [mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of implode7@... <mailto:implode7%40comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:17 PM <mailto: %40> Subject: RE: Re: Raw Egg Safety But, the fact is that you don't....it really isn't possible. And in some cases, it might be true that foods might be better for you in a slightly altered form - after all, all animals aren't the same, and how can you discern whether God made a particular food exactly as it is for people, or maybe for warthogs? --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > > no problem. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 *On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:05 PM, <implode7@...> wrote: * > > * > Do you eat all foods EXACTLY as 'God' made them? * > It is so good there is one God, Creator of all things, or you would never have a reason to post. ROFL. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Actually, I didn't jump in because God was mentioned, but because the statement in which God was evoked was silly. --------- Re: Raw Egg Safety > > > > > > > > > > > > Have no science to back me up but I've been eating one raw egg almost > > > every day for the past 5 or 6 years. My free range chickens, my eggs, > > > no problem. > > > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Thanks to all who have replied to my query - Allyn I don't prescribe to any religion but I appreciate what you were saying - substitute nature in for God and it makes sense to me! I am right there with you emphasizing food in whole forms. Belinda - I am jealous of your hens - hoping to have my own flock someday when I am not a renter! Dawn - I hear you about the studies being unavailable, I have found some good data that I will share when I do a nice write up. Basically the best info I have found is on Mercola - if you know of any other sources I would love to hear it. Thanks again, Cheers to lovely homemade mayo! Sue www.feelgoodeats.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Pendraig Siberians wrote: > God was mentioned so he had to jump in =). > Is it mandatory that he do so or just compulsive? --s, wondering if there are any list obligations that she has been neglecting all this time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 i've been eating raw egg for some time now. i trust the pastured ones most, but i will order sunnyside up in a restaurant. i used to put whole raw eggs in my smoothie until i read in NT that raw whites have anti-nutrients in them, now just the yolk. i do a raw white here and there though. never got sick from it in all my life, and i eat a lot of eggs! __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 from a WAP discussion group. Any truth to this? -Allan (not eating whites) >i've been eating raw egg for some time now. i trust >the pastured ones most, but i will order sunnyside up >in a restaurant. i used to put whole raw eggs in my >smoothie until i read in NT that raw whites have >anti-nutrients in them, now just the yolk. i do a raw >white here and there though. never got sick from it >in all my life, and i eat a lot of eggs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Allan- Yes. Egg whites contain trypsin inhibitors and avidin. The trypsin inhibitors inhibit the digestion of protein, and the avidin binds to biotin and prevents its absorption -- both the biotin in food and whatever biotin is produced by intestinal bacteria, which in healthy people is a major source. Cooking neutralizes the trypsin inhibitors but contrary to popular opinion, it only modestly degrades the avidin. (Looking at the literature on avidin, I now have no idea how this myth got started.) So the best course, really, is simply not to eat egg whites at all except on rare occasions. - > from a WAP discussion group. Any truth to this? -Allan (not eating > whites) > > >i've been eating raw egg for some time now. i trust > >the pastured ones most, but i will order sunnyside up > >in a restaurant. i used to put whole raw eggs in my > >smoothie until i read in NT that raw whites have > >anti-nutrients in them, now just the yolk. i do a raw > >white here and there though. never got sick from it > >in all my life, and i eat a lot of eggs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Something else is wrong with whites. I forget what but it made me try harder to get the white part off of my raw yolks. On Apr 10, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Pendraig Siberians wrote: > Seriously though the risk of Salmonella is very low in pastured hens. > I > can't remember the quote but the number was ridiculously low for the > amount > of fear people have. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 You know, if we are looking at traditional relationships with food, and knowing that for 10's of thousands of years our ancestors ate raw eggs right out of the shell (much as my dogs do), it's hard to imagine that there's not more going on here than the laboratory would tell us. I'll try to dig some more on this. In the meantime, whole eggs for me. Thanks -Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 So are you saying the avidin thing is a myth and it's ok to eat whites, which I do to the tune of 4 eggs, cooked, per day? On Apr 11, 2008, at 5:49 AM, Idol wrote: > (Looking at the literature on avidin, I now have no idea how > this myth got started.) Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 --- Sue " feelgoodeats " <sue@...> wrote: > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I > have a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am > pretty sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > advice, data or articles on this subject? Sue, I remember seeing an estimate of salmonella risk in eggs at something like 1 in 20,000 eggs for factory farm eggs. I suspect the risk in eggs from pastured chickens fed a natural diet is MUCH lower and probably negligible. I've been eating 3 or 4 raw egg yolks almost every day for over two years now and have never had extended diarrhea from them. That's over 2,000 eggs. There have been a few instances, maybe 3 or 4 over that two years where I had one brief loose stool about 6 hours after eating raw egg yolks that was probably from the eggs, but nothing like what I think of as salmonella induced diarrhea. I mix the raw egg yolks with raw milk, raw cream, and unsweetened cocoa powder and I suspect that the probiotics in the dairy help to suppress any effects from bacteria that may occasionally overgrow in older eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 You can take it a step further and only eat eggs you forage for. Try finding some wild eggs, you will still be very hungry afterwards! Most eggs are tiny too, its amazing how big conventional chicken eggs are compared to most bird eggs. I have free range chickens running around where I live (only like 1/2 dozen) and I still would have a hard time finding enough eggs to eat. I would much rather go after a deer. I'd say until not too long ago eggs were a treat...especially since many birds only lay them in the spring. - > > You know, if we are looking at traditional relationships with food, > and knowing that for 10's of thousands of years our ancestors ate raw > eggs right out of the shell (much as my dogs do), it's hard to > imagine that there's not more going on here than the laboratory would > tell us. > > I'll try to dig some more on this. > > In the meantime, whole eggs for me. > > Thanks > > -Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 - > So are you saying the avidin thing is a myth and it's ok to eat > whites, > which I do to the tune of 4 eggs, cooked, per day? No, I'm saying I have no idea how the myth that avidin is destroyed by cooking got started. In the lab, avidin is valued because it's resistant to a wide range of pH and temperatures. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 > No, I'm saying I have no idea how the myth that avidin is destroyed by > cooking got started. In the lab, avidin is valued because it's > resistant to a wide range of pH and temperatures. , maybe avidin in eggs evolved to help reduce the number of egg predators. From what you are saying, it should tend to cause declining health in predators that eat a large number of eggs, unless the predator has evolved ways to deal with the avidin. Is it safe to assume that there is little or no avidin in the yolk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 - > , maybe avidin in eggs evolved to help reduce the number of egg > predators. From what you are saying, it should tend to cause > declining health in predators that eat a large number of eggs, unless > the predator has evolved ways to deal with the avidin. Yes, very likely. I found this article on the pesticidal effects of avidin awhile ago. <http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/aug00/egg0800.htm > It concerns the creation of avidin-producing corn to fight off insects, which is its own separate nightmare, but here's a highlight. >> Biotin—a common vitamin—is essential for insect growth and >> development. Avidin restricts the availability of biotin, so the >> insect stops developing and dies. Avidin may have a similar role in >> chicken egg whites—to protect chicken embryos from disease-causing >> organisms that require biotin to grow. And another. >> When kernels of avidin corn were infested with Angoumois grain >> moths or maize weevils, most of the larvae died inside kernels that >> contained at least 20 parts per million of avidin. Cornmeal >> obtained from the avidin corn was resistant to all common U.S. >> storage pests. Meal with more than 100 ppm avidin killed larvae of >> lesser grain borers, red flour beetles, confused flour beetles, >> sawtoothed grain beetles, flat grain beetles, warehouse beetles, >> Indianmeal moths, and Mediterranean flour moths. > Is it safe to assume that there is little or no avidin in the yolk? Yup. There's lots of biotin in the yolk, and avidin in the yolk would bind it and render it unavailable to the chick. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 --- <gdawson6@...> wrote: > You can take it a step further and only eat eggs you forage for. Try > finding some wild eggs, you will still be very hungry afterwards! > Most eggs are tiny too, its amazing how big conventional chicken eggs > are compared to most bird eggs. , I saw an Bourdain episode where he visited Kalihari bushmen in Africa and they were eating ostrich eggs. The ostrich eggs are BIG and they cooked them by pouring the egg contents into ashes from a simmering fire. complained about all the ash and dirt in the cooked eggs, but maybe that just adds some minerals And who knows, maybe there are certain minerals or ash/soil constituents that block avidin from binding to biotin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 , I've always wanted to fry up a big ostrich egg in a cast iron, thinking it would be like the flinstones. But my statement about eggs being tiny was on the assumption that many of us here are from the united states or at least temperate zones where giant birds aren't running around. I could be wrong though. - > > You can take it a step further and only eat eggs you forage for. Try > > finding some wild eggs, you will still be very hungry afterwards! > > Most eggs are tiny too, its amazing how big conventional chicken eggs > > are compared to most bird eggs. > > , > > I saw an Bourdain episode where he visited Kalihari bushmen in > Africa and they were eating ostrich eggs. The ostrich eggs are BIG > and they cooked them by pouring the egg contents into ashes from a > simmering fire. complained about all the ash and dirt in the > cooked eggs, but maybe that just adds some minerals > > And who knows, maybe there are certain minerals or ash/soil > constituents that block avidin from binding to biotin? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I don't want to start anything, but I feel the need to reply. " The statement in which God was evoked was silly " is nonsense. To use the term " the way God made it " does not necessarily imply a religious tone, or a silly tone for that matter. But, so what if it does. The meaning is clear. The writer simply meant that they appreciate foods in their most natural state. How is that silly? Anyway, please don't respond. I'm sorry for dragging out something that should be past, but I felt the need to say something. Ken > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I consume raw egg yolks - mostly in dressings like mayonnaise. I have > > > > > a friend who is a bit hesitant due to salmonella fears - I am pretty > > > > > sure that the incidence of salmonella in eggs is pretty low - > > > > > especially in organic - pastured raised eggs - does anyone have any > > > > > advice, data or articles on this subject? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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