organic beer and ale

[Guest guest]

Lana,

> If you really want to avoid pesticide residues, your best bet really is the

> organic versions. Although it is important to be aware though that " made

> with organic grapes " is a different claim from " organic wine " : the former

> allows sulfites to be added while the latter doesn't. Organic wines have a

> naturally occurring sulfite max of 20 ppm and wines can be labeled sulfite

> free/no added sulfites if they are below 10 ppm. (

> http://www.organicconsumers.org/Organic/OrganicWine.cfm) I don't know if

> the organic standards for cider are as strict in terms of sulfites.

For someone who really gets into wine it is still best to check your

sources. There are many wines, usually higher end but not always, that

are essentially organic without being labeled as such. Organic labeled

wines are getting better, but from a taste standpoint they still don't

usually measure up with some of the very outstanding wines that are

available on the market from all over the world. I know some of the

boutique winemakers in my state, which makes some of the best wines in

the world, are organic even though they don't label themselves as

such.

> Oh, and

> just as a warning: make sure you refrigerate leftover sulfite-free wine,

> because if you don't you'll have a wonderfully tasty vinegar in about 2

> days.

Hmmm...non-sulfite free wines aren't far behind. Best to use a wine

preservation system of some sort.

> -Lana

>

> PS: Hard Cider is very easy to make if you can get a hold of organic cider.

> It takes 3 months to be drinkable. Extract based organic beers are pretty

> easy too as Briess and several other companies now offer organic malt

> extract, but they do require boiling to add the characteristic beer flavor

> from the hops. Although the initial recipe is more trouble (and requires

> more equipment), home brewed beer is ready to drink within 2 weeks as

> opposed to 3 months. http://www.breworganic.com/ is a great supplier of

> organic beer supplies. I've only ever made one mead since honey is a very

> slow fermenter - and while the results were tasty, the cost of the honey and

> the year I had to wait to drink it were both too rich for me.

I've laid some wines down for 5 or 6 years which is nothing in the

wine world. I had a ten year old beer recently that was might nice the

second time around. In the future I plan on laying down some wines for

the next quarter century and hope to pass on a nice cellar of

wine/beer once I leave this planet. Ports can go even longer. For the

year 2000 I had a port that was over 100 years old. It is a lot easier

to do this kind of thing once you have enough on hand that is ready to

drink right now :-)

--

" A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents

and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents

eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with

it. " Max Planck

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Connie,

> LOL when I go to Seattle I go to Kells too.

I haven't been to Kells in ages, but last time I went it was packed to

the gills on the bar side so went on the restaurant side and had a

very nice lamb stew.

> Otherwise it is big and scary with bewildering roads and the people

> all wear black downtown.

LOL! Seattle is such a small city compared to many big cities, but

then again Portland is even smaller.

Funny you should mention black. I dress in black from head to toe

every single day almost without exception.

When was the last time you were here? It seems the all black crowd has

moved to another part of town. In the last several years Seattle has

really exploded and downtown is very diverse.

--

" A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents

and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents

eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with

it. " Max Planck

[Guest guest]

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> When I was in college we drank something called " Near Beer " but I'm

> not even sure that is an apt description.

" Near Beer " is commonly used to refer to non-alcoholic beers.

Suze

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...> wrote:

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> " Near Beer " is commonly used to refer to non-alcoholic beers.

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> Suze

True, but this was a brand that actually had " Near Beer " stamped on

the can, was cheap and alcoholic. Still, wasn't as bad as some of the

other cheap beers that were available. The university I attended was

on First Hill in Seattle just on the edge of the largest

African-American community in the area, and the common joke was some

of the other cheap beers, especially the ones which came in the 40

ounce size, which would give us nasty headaches no matter how little

we drank, was something planted by the CIA to destroy the black

community :-)

--

" A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents

and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents

eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with

it. " Max Planck

[Guest guest]

> I haven't been to Kells in ages, but last time I went it was packed to

> the gills on the bar side so went on the restaurant side and had a

> very nice lamb stew.

oh right, the bar side on a crowded night. I only go in there when I'm

leading the pipe band and then the crowd parts for us.

> Funny you should mention black. I dress in black from head to toe

> every single day almost without exception.

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> When was the last time you were here? It seems the all black crowd has

> moved to another part of town. In the last several years Seattle has

> really exploded and downtown is very diverse.

Oh years now. LOL I would imagine fashion has moved on but I like to

keep my prejudices. Also wearing black all the time sounds very

practical. Like nuns.

I was at this hoity-toity human factors in software conference. Looking

out over the crowds of elegant city attire, hip designer-ad-agency

types and metrosexuals, I admit I was fogeyish for a bit for the wild

old days of software.

But then! I spied from afar the backside of a familiar outfit -

Dockers, a Lands' End business shirt half coming out, geeky haircut on

thinning hair. I thought with a tear, " my people! " but then the guy

turned around and it was Bill Gates. LOL keynote speaker

Connie

[Guest guest]

Chris-

> I would suggest as an experiment, if you don't mind them, trying to

> replace your red meat with clams for a week and see what happens.

How would you suggest doing that -- replacing beef and lamb by weight,

calories, or protein content? Do clams have roughly the same amount,

or more? Are some types of clam more heme-rich than others?

> Heme is necessary for a whole host of enzymes, including catalse,

> which is one of the key antioxidant enzymes of the cell; all of the

> cytochrome p450s involved in detoxification, steroid metabolism,

> vitamin metabolism, etc; the cytochromes of the electron transport

> chain necessary for energy production. And of course it's the active

> part of the main oxygen carrier in the blood.

Do clams have the same types of heme that red meat does? Will it

survive digestion, or will its constituents be readily recombined into

heme?

At any rate, I'll have to see how much clams cost. It'd certainly be

interesting to try.

-

[Guest guest]

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> Even animals have been known to knock

> fruit from a tree to the ground and let it rot and then eat it so >

> they could get....drunk!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NtPplZnPuMA

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:33 AM, cash_online5 <cash_online5@...> wrote:

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> http://youtube.com/watch?v=NtPplZnPuMA

Too funny. I especially like the one of the elephant drunk off its

butt trying desperately to get " one more. "

--

" A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents

and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents

eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with

it. " Max Planck

[Guest guest]

> I hadn't really thought about it but now that you mention it, there

> are lots of free tennis courts in the Pacific Northwest.

I'm looking at a free tennis court all empty and ready for someone to

play, from my work window. Ah the Pacific Northwest

Sorry you are so constrained, . That really is no fun.

As to nutrition for more summer activity - I get what you're asking

now but it still seems to me that it just means more of what you

already do, commensurate with the increase in activity.

like, more activity means more energy calories (fat+carb) plus more

micronutrients to handle them (veg, minerals) and protein for

recovery, and more water.

I'm just now taking a Red Cross course in Sports Safety and for hot

days all they say one needs in hot weather is hydration, no salt

tablets (because it's unbalanced), and snacks as needed, unless

there's a real electrolyte meltdown and then they recommend medical

attention. But that is probably for insurance liability.

The one difference I've heard in " groups of nutrients " is if there's

a lot of endurance/cardio, then one doesn't need as much protein

because it's not turned over as fast as if higher intensity/weights

were involved.

Connie