Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses (rhinotillexis) and eat their boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching them to do this; they seem to naturally come to it. is it possibly some sort of feedback loop with bacteria 'n germs 'n such from the lungs to the gut to keep the immune system tuned up to airborne pathogens? thanks, oliver... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 oliver t griswold wrote: >why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses (rhinotillexis) and eat their >boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching them to do this; they >seem to naturally come to it. is it possibly some sort of feedback loop with >bacteria 'n germs 'n such from the lungs to the gut to keep the immune >system tuned up to airborne pathogens? Yes, but can you get them to eat their Brussels sprouts? -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia " I think about the dirt that I'll be wearing for a shirt, And I hope that I get old before I die " - They Might Be Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 --- oliver t griswold <olivergriswold@...> wrote: > why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses > (rhinotillexis) and eat their > boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching > them to do this; This post has taught me one thing: don't eat while reading my emails. Ok, I am going to go puke now. - Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. -WB Yeats ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Seay wrote: > > This post has taught me one thing: don't eat while > reading my emails. > > Ok, I am going to go puke now. > > - Avoid the natural childbirthing lists, then... --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 They actually said that on the news about a month ago - that some study came out that said that eating boogers worked to stimulate the immune ssytem against airborn infections and would produce fewer colds or less intense ones, I forget exactly. Not that I'm going to go back to doing that. Some things you just grow out of... > > why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses (rhinotillexis) and eat their > boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching them to do this; they > seem to naturally come to it. is it possibly some sort of feedback loop with > bacteria 'n germs 'n such from the lungs to the gut to keep the immune > system tuned up to airborne pathogens? > > thanks, > > oliver... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Here's a fun articl about it http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/20/leading_lung_specialist_endo rses_picking_your_nose_and_consuming_what_you_find.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 OMG,,,, I used to work with a guy (mid forties in age) - a red headed Welshman. This guy did this everyday, in meetings, in the lunch room - everywhere. He seemed oblivious to the reations of everyone around him. He seemed to be in good health. I always called him Booger Red. Bb Seay <entheogens@...> wrote: --- oliver t griswold <olivergriswold@...> wrote: > why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses > (rhinotillexis) and eat their > boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching > them to do this; This post has taught me one thing: don't eat while reading my emails. Ok, I am going to go puke now. - __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 --- haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > They actually said that on the news about a month > ago - that some study > came out that said that eating boogers worked to > stimulate the immune > ssytem against airborn infections No thanks. I will stick with vitamin C and zinc. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 > > > They actually said that on the news about a month > > ago - that some study > > came out that said that eating boogers worked to > > stimulate the immune > > ssytem against airborn infections > > No thanks. I will stick with vitamin C and zinc. What about properly prepared boogers NT-style Tom? You'd pass up a nice NT cracker with raw Morbier topped with fermented booger paste? Suze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Suze- > What about properly prepared boogers NT-style Tom? You'd pass up a > nice NT > cracker with raw Morbier topped with fermented booger paste? Maybe fermented booger paste would best be used as a seasoning in sauces, soups and stews, like fermented shrimp paste. Perhaps it's already a secret ingredient in many recipes... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Seay <entheogens@...> wrote:* * > > *No thanks. I will stick with vitamin C and zinc.* > Well, looks like someone either doesn't or won't be changing the diapers.....LOL. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 > Maybe fermented booger paste would best be used as a seasoning in > sauces, soups and stews, like fermented shrimp paste. Perhaps it's > already a secret ingredient in many recipes... I have a feeling it is probably an unintended ingredient in many restaurants and possibly a deliberate one in some. But yes, maybe it would be better in a sauce or something rather than a straight paste on a hunk of cheese on a cracker. I just thought of that because a friend had given me some great homemade chutney and a hunk of cheese for my birthday and told me to eat the chutney on the cheese, which I'd never tried before. I put the cheese on a rice cracker, then the chutney and it was heavenly. Perhaps sweetened booger paste would be a good substitute. I'm sure Rapidura would be the perfect sweetener for boogers, but for those on GAPS or SCD like you, you could always use honey. As with many traditional foods though, I cannot find nutrient data for boogers in the USDA database, but I bet if it were from...say...*grassfed* cows, or from a person eating WAP style, boogers might turn out to be a superfood on par with liver or clams. Even if boogers WERE in the USDA database, as with everything else, boogers are not boogers. High brix boogers are not equivalent to SAD boogers. And most likely the USDA would only have data for conventional boogers. Suze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Oliver, > why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses (rhinotillexis) and eat their > boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching them to do this; they > seem to naturally come to it. is it possibly some sort of feedback loop with > bacteria 'n germs 'n such from the lungs to the gut to keep the immune > system tuned up to airborne pathogens? I wasn't aware that any adults pick their nose and eat it. I pick my nose sometimes, but I certainly never eat it! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Ross, > Yes, but can you get them to eat their Brussels sprouts? Brussels sprouts are simply toxic. I would not recommend feeding them to children. The reason they taste disgusting is because they can cause cyanide toxicity: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html#nitriles Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Personally, I love Brussel Sprouts! If you read the entire article sighted, it notes definite benefits to eating cruciferous vegetables. Negative affects from eating this food group would only occur if you ate A LOT of them. As always, moderation in all things. Great theory about eating boogers as an instinctive way to get microbials into your system! On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > Ross, > > > Yes, but can you get them to eat their Brussels sprouts? > > Brussels sprouts are simply toxic. I would not recommend feeding them > to children. The reason they taste disgusting is because they can > cause cyanide toxicity: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html#nitriles > > Chris > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 J, > Personally, I love Brussel Sprouts! Well that is great, and maybe that indicates your body is less sensitive to some of the chemcials in them. However, the question was whether you can get kids (who, by implication, hate them) to eat them, and if they don't want to eat them, it may well be because they can't tolerate the nasties in them. > If you read the entire article sighted, it notes definite benefits to eating > cruciferous vegetables. Negative affects from eating this food group would > only occur if you ate A LOT of them. As always, moderation in all things. I wrote the entire article cited, so I have an idea. ;-) What I note, I think, is that nitriles are unambiguously toxic, and that brussels sprouts generate a vast amount of them compared to other crucifers. Also, the benefits of crucifers are not " definite " but hypothesized, and likely to be restricted to people with certain genes. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Most of the veggies that people eat are crucifers - cabbage, broccoli, broccoli rabi, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, bok choi, napa cabbage, mustard, kale, collards, many, many Asian veggies, turnips, radishes, rutabagas, kohlrabi, diakon, arugula, water cress, upland cress, " hanover salad " , mustard seed, mizuna, horseradish, wasabi, etc. It may well be THE veggie. None of the other families of vegetables have anywhere near the varieties. We eat roots, stems, leaves, flowers and seeds. We ferment most of them too. They are found from one end of the Old World to the other although mostly in the northern temperate zone and around the Mediterranean including the African side of the Sea. And from Wikipedia " Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California%2C_Berkeley> , have recently discovered that 3,3'-Diindolylmethane <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%2C3%27-Diindolylmethane> in Brassica vegetables is a potent modulator of the innate immune <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_response> response system with potent anti-viral <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus> , anti-bacterial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria> and anti-cancer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer> activity. " Yes, rape seed from which is manufactured canola oil is a member of this family, but to write off the entire family when we have pretty much eaten it for our entire evolutionary time both inside and out of Africa seems to me to be a bit dogmatic. Connie _____ From: nutrition [mailto:nutrition ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:29 PM nutrition Subject: Re: nose picking and eating J, > Personally, I love Brussel Sprouts! Well that is great, and maybe that indicates your body is less sensitive to some of the chemcials in them. However, the question was whether you can get kids (who, by implication, hate them) to eat them, and if they don't want to eat them, it may well be because they can't tolerate the nasties in them. > If you read the entire article sighted, it notes definite benefits to eating > cruciferous vegetables. Negative affects from eating this food group would > only occur if you ate A LOT of them. As always, moderation in all things. I wrote the entire article cited, so I have an idea. ;-) What I note, I think, is that nitriles are unambiguously toxic, and that brussels sprouts generate a vast amount of them compared to other crucifers. Also, the benefits of crucifers are not " definite " but hypothesized, and likely to be restricted to people with certain genes. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Masterjohn wrote: >Brussels sprouts are simply toxic. I would not recommend feeding them >to children. The reason they taste disgusting is because they can >cause cyanide toxicity: > >http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html#nitriles From reading that section, it sounds like a small portion (<= 5% of total diet) is desirable, but a large portion (>= 15%) is undesirable. Personally, I find that a small portion is highly desirable in curries and stir-fries. Quartered length-ways, they take up and nicely compliment the other flavours in the dish. Just don't boil them until gray like my mother used to -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia " Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn " - The Wee Book of Calvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 See, this whole thread assumes kids don't like vegies! Depends how they are cooked. We routinely fight over the last bit of broccoli or brussels sprouts. And oriental-style green beans. My dd used to eat them off my plate til she started eating them all, now she has to get her own plate. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Ross McKay <rosko@...> wrote: > . Just don't boil them until > gray like my mother used to > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 why *do* you pick your nose occasionally? why *don't* you eat the booger? i picked my nose and ate my boogers when young (yes, salty). broke the habit as consequence of parental / social pressure i suppose. my kids pick their noses and occasionally eat their boogers. i reprimand them. yesterday, driving home from work, it occurred to me that perhaps they knew more than i. hence the question. as per others, i have observed adults picking and eating. i didn't reprimand. oliver... On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > Oliver, > > > > why do kids (and some adults) pick their noses (rhinotillexis) and eat > their > > boogers, snot, mucus (mucophagy)? no one is teaching them to do this; > they > > seem to naturally come to it. is it possibly some sort of feedback loop > with > > bacteria 'n germs 'n such from the lungs to the gut to keep the immune > > system tuned up to airborne pathogens? > > I wasn't aware that any adults pick their nose and eat it. I pick my > nose sometimes, but I certainly never eat it! > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Connie, > Yes, rape seed from which is manufactured canola oil is a member of this > family, but to write off the entire family when we have pretty much eaten it > for our entire evolutionary time both inside and out of Africa seems to me > to be a bit dogmatic. I'm not sure I understand your use of the word " dogmatic, " but we absolutely haven't been eating crucifers " for our entire evolutionary time " and I absolutely didn't " write off the entire family. " Did you read the article? All I said here was that brussels sprouts are toxic. I'm writing off brussels sprouts. The majority of people, especially children, think they taste nasty. And they cause toxicity in lab animals at modest doses. Can you eat two or three with dinner to no ill effect? Sure. But they taste nasty -- not to everyone, but to many -- for a reason. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ross, > >http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html#nitriles > > From reading that section, it sounds like a small portion (<= 5% of > total diet) is desirable, but a large portion (>= 15%) is undesirable. It is desirable to increase liver weight (5%) and blood clotting (2%), but it is undesirable to decrease thyroid hormone levels (15%), while you find it ambiguous (10%) whether decreaed food intake, growth depression, and impaired kidney function are desirable? I think a more reasonable interpretation is that they are toxic, but that low amounts (2.5%) may be reasonably tolerated compared to higher amounts. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 On 4/17/08, oliver t griswold <olivergriswold@...> wrote: > why *do* you pick your nose occasionally? why *don't* you eat the booger? Because the booger needs to be removed, and it is the most feasible means to do so in the given circumstance; because it is a booger, and not food, obviously. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Is there any point in eating them? Crucifers are a major vegetable group. I'm sorry I haven't read the article yet but I will. So apologies if the answer is in the article Sally Masterjohn wrote: > Ross, > > >>> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html#nitriles >>> >> From reading that section, it sounds like a small portion (<= 5% of >> total diet) is desirable, but a large portion (>= 15%) is undesirable. >> > > It is desirable to increase liver weight (5%) and blood clotting (2%), > but it is undesirable to decrease thyroid hormone levels (15%), while > you find it ambiguous (10%) whether decreaed food intake, growth > depression, and impaired kidney function are desirable? I think a > more reasonable interpretation is that they are toxic, but that low > amounts (2.5%) may be reasonably tolerated compared to higher amounts. > > Chris > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Sally, > Is there any point in eating them? Crucifers are a major vegetable > group. I'm sorry I haven't read the article yet but I will. So apologies > if the answer is in the article If you mean crucifers in general, they are very nutritious and the nutrients in them are more bioavailable than in some other green vegetables (for example calcium), and there is some limited and conflicting evidence that phytochemicals in them might prevent certain cancers in people with certain genes. However, if you mean brussels sprouts, which are unique in their high risk of nitrile toxicity, I'm not aware of any feeding studies or actually even any epidemiological research suggesting that they have any unique benefit that compensates for their unique toxicity. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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