Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a nutritional perspective?

[Guest guest]

Anyone have any idea whether sea scallops are nutritionally superior

to bay scallops, or if their higher price is just due to their larger

size?

TIA,

[Guest guest]

Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Idol wrote:

Anyone have any idea whether sea scallops are nutritionally superior

to bay scallops, or if their higher price is just due to their larger

size?

TIA,

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

FWIW, it doesn't come down to nutrition for me when deciding about sea

scallops. It's an issue of fresh vs. farmed. I only eat sea scallops

because they're not farmed. It's too difficult, most of the time, to

determine if bay scallops are farmed or fresh, but the majority are now

farmed in China. Ewwwwww! It's seldom I ever encounter fresh, even up

here, relatively close to the ocean in New England although their season

began this month. Frozen scallops, by the way, are all treated with

phosphates. I've yet to see any labeled " organic " , and I'm not sure if that

would be enough to restrict the use of phosphates......

There's a 3rd type - Calico sea scallop, but they're overfished, and my fish

monger refuses to carry any....

Sharon

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

> Anyone have any idea whether sea scallops are nutritionally superior

> to bay scallops, or if their higher price is just due to their larger

> size?

>

> TIA,

>

>

>

>

--

Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according

to conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

will have plenty to eat.

Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

[Guest guest]

Sharon-

> FWIW, it doesn't come down to nutrition for me when deciding about sea

> scallops. It's an issue of fresh vs. farmed.

I guess I should've mentioned that the question was wild vs. wild. I

found some surprisingly affordable wild bay scallops at Trader

Joe's... though they are frozen. But at the moment, $18/lb. for fresh

wild sea scallops isn't possible whereas $6.50/lb. for frozen wild bay

scallops is, so I was wondering how the bay scallops compare,

nutritionally.

-

[Guest guest]

-

> Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

-

[Guest guest]

Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or in The

Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat garbage. Catfish aren't

allowed either.

A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters don't sound

too appealing either.

Kathy

---- Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

=============

-

> Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

-

[Guest guest]

Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or in The

Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat garbage. Catfish aren't

allowed either.

A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters don't sound

too appealing either.

Kathy

---- Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

=============

-

> Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

-

[Guest guest]

Kathy-

> Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or

> in The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat

> garbage. Catfish aren't allowed either.

>

> A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

>

> I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters

> don't sound too appealing either.

This sounds like a highly suspect objection to me for several

reasons. First, Jordan Rubin's prescriptions are largely religious in

nature rather than scientific. If you want to follow his religion,

fine, but if not, I don't see why he's worth paying any attention to,

particularly in light of the nature of his marketing and the prices he

charges for his merchandise. Second, bottom feeding in the ocean is

rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt. And

third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

" garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

-

[Guest guest]

If your looking for an answer from the bible's perspective, you can

not go wrong by choosing to eat only fish with both fins and scales.

>

> =============

> -

>

> > Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

>

> My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

> for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

> I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

> Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

And what about chickens? As opposed to chickens kept in cages and

forced to eat corn and soy, foraging yard birds will eat practically

anything. Our reward is great eggs with bright yellow yolks.

-Patty

--- In , Idol <paul.idol@...>

wrote:

>

....bottom feeding in the ocean is

> rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

> beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt.

And third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

> " garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know Rubin well enough to know if his recommendations are largely

religious. Some of his recommendations are the same as some of the Biblical

dietary laws. His books have a lot of good information about healthy diets

and native nutrition and I don't think they should be discarded just because

he is a Messianic Jew.

Jordan's Rubin's book are listed on the Weston A Price Foundation's list of

Thumbs up Books. Obviously the WAPF thinks he is " worth paying attention

to " .

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

nutritional perspective?

Kathy-

> Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or

> in The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat

> garbage. Catfish aren't allowed either.

>

> A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

>

> I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters

> don't sound too appealing either.

This sounds like a highly suspect objection to me for several

reasons. First, Jordan Rubin's prescriptions are largely religious in

nature rather than scientific. If you want to follow his religion,

fine, but if not, I don't see why he's worth paying any attention to,

particularly in light of the nature of his marketing and the prices he

charges for his merchandise. Second, bottom feeding in the ocean is

rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt. And

third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

" garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

-

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I'm sorry, I don't see your point. Could you please clarify for me?

I don't eat chickens kept in cages either.

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Patty T

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

nutritional perspective?

And what about chickens? As opposed to chickens kept in cages and

forced to eat corn and soy, foraging yard birds will eat practically

anything. Our reward is great eggs with bright yellow yolks.

-Patty

--- In

<mailto: %40> , Idol <paul.idol@...>

wrote:

>

....bottom feeding in the ocean is

> rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

> beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt.

And third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

> " garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

>

[Guest guest]

His views on what foods to avoid are based on biblical scripture. He

states this in the Makers Diet.

If you look into his credentials you find out that they are not as

great as many thought. His degrees were from some sketchy schools.

His company makes very high priced supplements and uses catch phrases

to describe many of them to make them sound better and unique and he

pushes all of them through his books. Garden of Life has had known

quality control issues and they refused to give me a certificate of

analysis for their Cod Liver Oil. I just wanted to know what its

mercury content was. All other supplement companies have sent me

certificate of analysis's when asked. After this I boycotted their

products.

He obviously does provide valuable advice that is nearly the same as

the WAPF foundation...which is great but I really am not fond of him

or his company.

-

>

> I don't know Rubin well enough to know if his recommendations are

largely

> religious. Some of his recommendations are the same as some of the

Biblical

> dietary laws. His books have a lot of good information about healthy

diets

> and native nutrition and I don't think they should be discarded just

because

> he is a Messianic Jew.

>

>

>

> Jordan's Rubin's book are listed on the Weston A Price Foundation's

list of

> Thumbs up Books. Obviously the WAPF thinks he is " worth paying attention

> to " .

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:08 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

> nutritional perspective?

>

>

>

> Kathy-

>

> > Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or

> > in The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat

> > garbage. Catfish aren't allowed either.

> >

> > A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

> >

> > I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters

> > don't sound too appealing either.

>

> This sounds like a highly suspect objection to me for several

> reasons. First, Jordan Rubin's prescriptions are largely religious in

> nature rather than scientific. If you want to follow his religion,

> fine, but if not, I don't see why he's worth paying any attention to,

> particularly in light of the nature of his marketing and the prices he

> charges for his merchandise. Second, bottom feeding in the ocean is

> rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

> beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt. And

> third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

> " garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

I live on the coast of Maine and eat shellfish regularly.

One very important data point that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread

is that some of the healthy groups Weston Price studied had seafood,

especially shellfish, as a foundation of their diet. Remember the Maori

children diving for lobster on school lunch break? And cooking them up on a

bonfire on the beach?

Price considered shellfish a very important, nutrient-dense food and, IIRC,

it is one of the few foods he listed that he said contains activator X.

Keep in mind that nutrient-dense foods often contain the nutrients necessary

to support our body's detoxification system!

Suze Fisher

" Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight. "

~Albert Schweitzer

[Guest guest]

This discussion is not about the man, or his company, his supplements, or

anyone's personal feelings about those. Its about diet.

I mentioned a book that is recommended on the WAPF Web site, and people are

turning that reference into a personal attack on Jordan Rubin, his company, and

his products.

Kathy

---- gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

=============

His views on what foods to avoid are based on biblical scripture. He

states this in the Makers Diet.

If you look into his credentials you find out that they are not as

great as many thought. His degrees were from some sketchy schools.

His company makes very high priced supplements and uses catch phrases

to describe many of them to make them sound better and unique and he

pushes all of them through his books. Garden of Life has had known

quality control issues and they refused to give me a certificate of

analysis for their Cod Liver Oil. I just wanted to know what its

mercury content was. All other supplement companies have sent me

certificate of analysis's when asked. After this I boycotted their

products.

He obviously does provide valuable advice that is nearly the same as

the WAPF foundation...which is great but I really am not fond of him

or his company.

-

>

> I don't know Rubin well enough to know if his recommendations are

largely

> religious. Some of his recommendations are the same as some of the

Biblical

> dietary laws. His books have a lot of good information about healthy

diets

> and native nutrition and I don't think they should be discarded just

because

> he is a Messianic Jew.

>

>

>

> Jordan's Rubin's book are listed on the Weston A Price Foundation's

list of

> Thumbs up Books. Obviously the WAPF thinks he is " worth paying attention

> to " .

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Idol

> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:08 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

> nutritional perspective?

>

>

>

> Kathy-

>

> > Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or

> > in The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat

> > garbage. Catfish aren't allowed either.

> >

> > A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

> >

> > I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters

> > don't sound too appealing either.

>

> This sounds like a highly suspect objection to me for several

> reasons. First, Jordan Rubin's prescriptions are largely religious in

> nature rather than scientific. If you want to follow his religion,

> fine, but if not, I don't see why he's worth paying any attention to,

> particularly in light of the nature of his marketing and the prices he

> charges for his merchandise. Second, bottom feeding in the ocean is

> rather analogous to grazing on land, and we certainly don't reject

> beef because cows are eating plants that are growing in the dirt. And

> third, " garbage " is a misleading euphemism. What exactly is this

> " garbage " ? It's not trash in a landfill, certainly.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy-

> His books have a lot of good information about healthy diets

> and native nutrition and I don't think they should be discarded just

> because

> he is a Messianic Jew.

He's Jewish? Interesting; I thought he was some kind of Christian

what with all the bible stuff. But regardless, he could be a

Zoroastrian and I'd say the same thing if he were basing his dietary

recommendations on the teachings of Zoroaster -- dietary restrictions

which are religious in nature are not based on science and therefore

shouldn't be considered reason to avoid foods if you only care about

nutrition and health.

-

[Guest guest]

The conversation was about bottom-feeders (like scallops) and what they

eat on ocean and/or bay bottom...someone said they eat " garbage " and I

was just pointing out, in comparison, that yard chickens will eat just

about anything, including garbage, but the meat and eggs of these birds

is superior to the caged variety.

-Patty

>

> I'm sorry, I don't see your point. Could you please clarify for me?

>

[Guest guest]

*On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

*

>

> *Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or in

> The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat garbage. Catfish

> aren't allowed either.*

>

I think it's important to check out things that you read. Scallops = bottom

feeder. That'd be a good place to start. And saying they eat " garbage " -

that would also be good for you to check out for yourself. This is the kind

of information that can make a real difference for someone in the type of

food/nutrition they consume, and it would be a shame for some people to miss

out on what is a healthy food just because someone is repeating information

they didn't actually understand or check out.

Scallops, fwiw, are not " bottom feeders " and they don't eat " garbage " .

They're filter feeders. My son's 3rd grade science book covered this in

detail - the difference between " bottom " and " filter " feeders. Filter

feeders mean just that - they filter, as my 3rd grader says, " good vitamins

from the water " - algae. Bottom feeders eat dead carcasses, etc. My 8-yo

also learned that scallops and other shellfish are low in mercury because

the tiny foods they eat (algae) don't retain mercury.

Over the past few years, we've also studied the different techniques used by

the fishing industry uses. What we've found is that just like PETA

promoting vegan/vegetarian for their own aenda, enviro-nazis do the same

with the fishing industry, spreading misinformation. We live in New England

where decent, hard-working, responsible families have nearly come to ruin at

the hands of those who spead misinformation, or have their own agenda. And

what have we ended up with? Fish farms which are poisoning our world.

That's yet another reason for people to do some of their own research and

not continue to spread misinformation.

Wild caught scallops, fished in an ecologically-sound, sustainable manner,

are healthy - rich in iodine - for humans and the environment. The only

drawback they have is for people with Grave's disease, or other conditions

for which iodine consumption, in higher concentrations, is dangerous.

HTH

Sharon

>

>

> A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

>

> I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters don't

> sound too appealing either.

>

> Kathy

> ---- Idol <paul.idol@... <paul.idol%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> =============

>

> -

>

> > Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

>

> My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

> for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

> I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

> Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

> yard chickens will eat just

> about anything, including garbage -Patty

I have a kosher friend and she says the Leviticus injuctions are about

carrion and all its forms, and they are not to eat carrion eaters. No

one ever complains about being told not to eat vultures it seems. Just

lobster and yummy things.

connie

[Guest guest]

This is certainly twisting words. I made a general statement that shellfish

are bottom feeders, not scallops.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharon son

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

nutritional perspective?

*On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...

<mailto:kathy.dickson%40tx.rr.com> >wrote:

*

>

> *Shellfish are not on Jordan Rubin's Perfect Weight America diet, or in

> The Maker's Diet because they are bottom feeders. They eat garbage.

Catfish

> aren't allowed either.*

>

I think it's important to check out things that you read. Scallops = bottom

feeder. That'd be a good place to start. And saying they eat " garbage " -

that would also be good for you to check out for yourself. This is the kind

of information that can make a real difference for someone in the type of

food/nutrition they consume, and it would be a shame for some people to miss

out on what is a healthy food just because someone is repeating information

they didn't actually understand or check out.

Scallops, fwiw, are not " bottom feeders " and they don't eat " garbage " .

They're filter feeders. My son's 3rd grade science book covered this in

detail - the difference between " bottom " and " filter " feeders. Filter

feeders mean just that - they filter, as my 3rd grader says, " good vitamins

from the water " - algae. Bottom feeders eat dead carcasses, etc. My 8-yo

also learned that scallops and other shellfish are low in mercury because

the tiny foods they eat (algae) don't retain mercury.

Over the past few years, we've also studied the different techniques used by

the fishing industry uses. What we've found is that just like PETA

promoting vegan/vegetarian for their own aenda, enviro-nazis do the same

with the fishing industry, spreading misinformation. We live in New England

where decent, hard-working, responsible families have nearly come to ruin at

the hands of those who spead misinformation, or have their own agenda. And

what have we ended up with? Fish farms which are poisoning our world.

That's yet another reason for people to do some of their own research and

not continue to spread misinformation.

Wild caught scallops, fished in an ecologically-sound, sustainable manner,

are healthy - rich in iodine - for humans and the environment. The only

drawback they have is for people with Grave's disease, or other conditions

for which iodine consumption, in higher concentrations, is dangerous.

HTH

Sharon

>

>

> A friend of mine won't eat shrimp after reading The Maker's Diet.

>

> I agree bigger fish probably have more toxins, but garbage eaters don't

> sound too appealing either.

>

> Kathy

> ---- Idol <paul.idol@... <mailto:paul.idol%40gmail.com>

<paul.idol%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> =============

>

> -

>

> > Aren't they full of toxins? They're bottom feeders?

>

> My grandfather always thought that bottom feeders were to be avoided

> for that reason, but actually, toxins accumulate up the food chain, so

> I'd expect large predatory fish to have much higher toxin loads.

> Shellfish are extremely nutritious, anyway.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Umm.....actually, it was for you AND . Scallops were lumped into

your discussion about bottom cleaners, food chain, Rubin, etc., etc., so for

everyone in general, scallops are NOT bottom feeders. Someone has to defend

the rights of honor of scallops. LOL With the way NAIS is going, they'll

be the only creatures who have any!

Sharon

*On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

*

>

> *This is certainly twisting words. I made a general statement that

> shellfish

> are bottom feeders, not scallops.*

> *

> *

>

*

*

--

Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according

to conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

will have plenty to eat.

Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

[Guest guest]

Don't DIS the scallops!

*LOL*

-Patty

>

> Umm.....actually, it was for you AND . Scallops were lumped

into your discussion about bottom cleaners, food chain, Rubin,

etc., ...Someone has to defend

> the rights of honor of scallops. LOL

[Guest guest]

Well, you quoted me, not .

As for how eating shellfish relates to native nutrition - there was a tribe

of Indians that lived along the Texas Gulf coast that nursed their young

until puberty because it was much more efficient for the children to get

their nutrition from their mother's milk than from their mostly seafood

diet.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharon son

Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bay scallops vs sea scallops -- any difference from a

nutritional perspective?

Umm.....actually, it was for you AND . Scallops were lumped into

your discussion about bottom cleaners, food chain, Rubin, etc., etc., so for

everyone in general, scallops are NOT bottom feeders. Someone has to defend

the rights of honor of scallops. LOL With the way NAIS is going, they'll

be the only creatures who have any!

Sharon

*On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...

<mailto:kathy.dickson%40tx.rr.com> >wrote:

*

>

> *This is certainly twisting words. I made a general statement that

> shellfish

> are bottom feeders, not scallops.*

[Guest guest]

Sharon-

> Umm.....actually, it was for you AND . Scallops were lumped

> into

> your discussion about bottom cleaners, food chain, Rubin, etc.,

> etc., so for

> everyone in general, scallops are NOT bottom feeders. Someone has to

> defend

> the rights of honor of scallops. LOL With the way NAIS is going,

> they'll

> be the only creatures who have any!

What if they were bottom feeders, though? How is that not at least

roughly analogous to chickens grubbing around in the dirt?

-