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My chiropractor prescribed

Atrium Pineal Plus and

Apex Energetics Adrenacalm.

It may feel " wierd " to you

when you first start using

them because I can actually

feel my body relax when they

start to work. I gave them

both to my 28 year old daughter

who suffers from anxiety (and

I suspect hyperadrenals like me).

The first night using them it made

her anxious because she did not

know what was happening and has

been on hyper-alert for the past

seven months with her first baby.

She has been sleeping so much better

but now she reports that her muscles

are sore. My theory is that her muscles

have been so tense all these months that

they are relaxing for the first time in

a long time.

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> Hi all,

>

> My MIL is suffering from sleeplessness due to " thinking about

everything under the sun. " She

> is 61 years old, and although she is retired, does get a decent

amount of exercise. She eats

> pretty well too - not WAP, but consumes lots of fresh fruits,

veggies, and meats. Can anyone

> recommend foods in particular, or herbs/supplements that might help

her? Thanks much!

>

>

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I am thinking of trying Bach's 'Rescue Sleep' drops because Bach's

'Rescue Remedy' for stress and anxiety works so well. Maybe somebody

can chime in and tell me (and you) if it works!

~Leah

On 4/11/08, megan.massaro <massaro@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> My MIL is suffering from sleeplessness due to " thinking about everything

> under the sun. " She

> is 61 years old, and although she is retired, does get a decent amount of

> exercise. She eats

> pretty well too - not WAP, but consumes lots of fresh fruits, veggies, and

> meats. Can anyone

> recommend foods in particular, or herbs/supplements that might help her?

> Thanks much!

>

>

>

>

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Your MIL needs a complete history & background to rule out all possible

causes. Then remembering that there really is no such thing as a cause that

needs to be diagnosed, I would seek out professional help. Sometimes sedative

herbs, etc. have a contraindicated effect, especially if the insomnia has some

organic cause, you or your doc may find that sedatives help little & may not be

worth all the side effects, herbal or not. The key is balance, & I believe that

kind of homeostasis, can be found in WAPF.

Best regards, Jim

" megan.massaro " <massaro@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My MIL is suffering from sleeplessness due to " thinking about everything under

the sun. " She

is 61 years old, and although she is retired, does get a decent amount of

exercise. She eats

pretty well too - not WAP, but consumes lots of fresh fruits, veggies, and

meats. Can anyone

recommend foods in particular, or herbs/supplements that might help her? Thanks

much!

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

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-> " megan.massaro " <massaro@...> wrote:

> My MIL is suffering from sleeplessness due to

> " thinking about everything under the sun. " She

> is 61 years old, and although she is retired, does

> get a decent amount of exercise. She eats

> pretty well too - not WAP, but consumes lots of

> fresh fruits, veggies, and meats. Can anyone

> recommend foods in particular, or herbs/supplements

> that might help her? Thanks much!

1) May be too little melatonin. She could try

melatonin supplementation, but even before that she

should make sure that her bedroom is COMPLETELY pitch

dark at night. Get black out shades for the room.

They aren't too expensive. In fact, you can get them

at Walmart (about the only thing worth buying at that

place). Also, if possible, it's good to start dimming

the light when the sun starts to set.

2) Her circadian rhythmn may be off. She should sit

in front of a blue spectrum light a couple of hours

before sleep. I know it sounds weird, but I have

found that it helps. There are actually some

scientific studies (really, there is and not just a

claim by manufacturers) that supports the idea. Here

is a link to a place that sells them:

http://www.apollohealth.com/index.html

3) She could try Valerian, L-Tryptophan (or one of its

precursors). In addition to these, she should take

magnesium glycinate (the other forms of magnesium

usually cause diahrrea...glycinate doesn't)....400-600

mgs before sleep.

4) A lot depends on what her exact problem is: does

she have difficult falling asleep, staying asleep or

waking up too early.

5) It is really true that you shouldn't TRY to fall

asleep. That just activates the sypmathetic system.

That's why if you can't get to sleep you should get up

and do something non-stimulating. Personally, I dont

do that. I do lay in bed but just think about

something pleasant...the important thing is not to get

freaked out about not falling asleep. That creates a

negative feed-back loop.

6) It is important that the bed and bedroom be free of

associations with work,study, etc. For that reason,

the bed and bedroom should be used ONLY for two

things: (1) sleep and (2) sex. If you want to be

safe, just use your bed for sleep. Use the kitchen

table for sex :)

7) She may need to spend a night in a sleep lab (hope

she has insurance) to rule out sleep apnea or restless

leg syndrome.

8) Another trick she can try is too go to bed VERY

late and get less sleep than usual, then gradually

increase the time she sleeps. In other words, if she

gets up at 6AM, have her go to sleep at 1 or 2 AM. If

she is able to get one block of sleep in that time.

Move it back 15 minutes. So if the first night she

went to sleep at 1 AM and was able to sleep through

the night, the next night she could try going to sleep

at 12:45 AM...and so on and so forth. However, she

MUST get up at 6 AM in all cases.

Hope that helps.

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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