Re: RELIGION: No Intelligence Allowed

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On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Sharon son wrote:

> *On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Gene Schwartz

> <implode7@...>wrote:

> *

> >

> > *Sounds like more Christian propaganda....*

> >

>

> Gene. Here's the deal. You get PICKED and CHOSEN to be on the God-

> Team. We

> all know you don't want to be picked or chosen. And I don't honestly

> think

> I've ever seen anyone PUSHING you to be on the God Team, so would you

> PULEEZE get over yourself. Do you see other people driveling on and on

> about not being on the Atheist team, or whatever you call yourself?

> It's

> old! It's boring! Get a new line!

>

So, in your opinion, there is no Christian propaganda?

Curiously personal message on your part. The movie, from what I can

tell, is seriously flawed propaganda. Intelligent design is not a

scientific theory, but you apparently have been chosen (or you have

evolved) to disagree.

The 'God team' is a particularly hilarious notion.

>

>

> Sharon

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Gene Schwartz <implode7@...> wrote:

>

> The 'God team' is a particularly hilarious notion.

Yeah, I know it is, Gene. But it is the only analogy my little stupid

pea-brain could come up with against your constant haranguing against

Christians and seeing everything negative as being " christian " . That is

equally hilarious. Truly, it is so boring and old....and tiring.

Isn't there enough pain in this world right now? I have a MIL dying from

the worst possible diagnosis......frontal lobe dementia. Sweetest woman you

could ever meet............even YOU would have liked her, been won over,

even if she was a Christian..........

And my son......Autism sucks. It sucks big time. My heart is torn in

pieces some day. And my little god, that you hate, get me through the days,

gives me hope.............

And this election year.....it is awful. It is tearing people and

relationships and this country in two.

And You Mock.

Find something to believe in and at the very least, let others have their

freedom.

Don't you like freedom, Gene? I like freedom.

I don't want to take your freedom away for you to believe

in.....whatever.....or for you to not believe in...whatever.........

But man, you are like over-the-top paranoid seeing " christian " in

everything............

Gene.....we don't want " you " .

We don't want " science " .

We don't need you.

We don't need science.

All of it is just a copy, a mimic, an imitation....

Vanity, vanity.........

Nobody is after you, Gene.............

Sharon

[Guest guest]

On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Sharon son wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Gene Schwartz

> <implode7@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > The 'God team' is a particularly hilarious notion.

>

> Yeah, I know it is, Gene. But it is the only analogy my little stupid

> pea-brain could come up with against your constant haranguing against

> Christians and seeing everything negative as being " christian " . That

> is

> equally hilarious. Truly, it is so boring and old....and tiring.

>

Well, you might try actually reading what I write. I have nothing

against Christians - well, true Christians. In fact nothing in what I

wrote implies this.

However, regardless of what I think about Christianity, or Christians,

in the abstract, there is the concept of propaganda - which you seem

to be ignoring.

So, perhaps you might get less tired if you didn't infer what isn't

there.

>

>

> Isn't there enough pain in this world right now? I have a MIL dying

> from

> the worst possible diagnosis......frontal lobe dementia. Sweetest

> woman you

> could ever meet............even YOU would have liked her, been won

> over,

> even if she was a Christian..........

>

This is ridiculous and inappropriate to suggest that somehow my

mention of propaganda has something to do with this.

>

>

> And my son......Autism sucks. It sucks big time. My heart is torn in

> pieces some day. And my little god, that you hate, get me through

> the days,

> gives me hope.............

>

> And this election year.....it is awful. It is tearing people and

> relationships and this country in two.

>

> And You Mock.

>

That's enough. I'm not mocking. I'm pissed. This is totally off the

wall.

>

>

> Find something to believe in and at the very least, let others have

> their

> freedom.

>

> Don't you like freedom, Gene? I like freedom.

>

You mock me for mocking, however, with stuff like this, it's really

hard not to. At least TRY to think logically.

>

>

> I don't want to take your freedom away for you to believe

> in.....whatever.....or for you to not believe in...whatever.........

>

> But man, you are like over-the-top paranoid seeing " christian " in

> everything............

>

> Gene.....we don't want " you " .

> We don't want " science " .

> We don't need you.

> We don't need science.

> All of it is just a copy, a mimic, an imitation....

>

> Vanity, vanity.........

>

>

Get lost.

> Nobody is after you, Gene.............

>

> Sharon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anybody who can think from one end of an idea to the other without

losing sight of where they started out understands that this

" Expelled " movie is Christian propoganda. And don't forget that there

are a lot of Christians who don't agree with these kinds of tactics or

even the notion of " Creationism " .

You can have as much religion as you like, as long as you don't try to

force it on me or my child's society.

Teaching religion (creation " science " or " intelligent design " ) in

public schools will always cause a lot more problems than teaching

scientific ideas which people all around the world, *of any religion*,

can agree on, or at least argue about the same principles of.

There will always be disagreement and discussion about what is True,

and that's a good thing, since we constantly acquire new knowledge and

perspectives. This truth should be something that people arrive at

from following the logical leads, though, not from cooking up

something in secret meetings, which they then manipulate so skillfully

that simple-minded people are unknowingly slipped from one

fraction-of-an-idea to another fraction-of-an-idea, and before they

know it, they have been carried far away from any Science.

Religion is so fragile that, if you'll notice, it's always a grave

" sin " to question religious ideas (at least in those two big violent

religions that each keep trying to forcibly take over the whole

world). This is just another example of that tactic of putting people

on the defensive, accusing them of doing what you've been doing ( " you "

meaning the people who put out this movie).

Joy

>

> *On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>wrote:

> *

> >

> > *Sounds like more Christian propaganda....*

> >

>

>

>

> Gene. Here's the deal. You get PICKED and CHOSEN to be on the

God-Team. We

> all know you don't want to be picked or chosen. And I don't

honestly think

> I've ever seen anyone PUSHING you to be on the God Team, so would you

> PULEEZE get over yourself. Do you see other people driveling on and on

> about not being on the Atheist team, or whatever you call yourself?

It's

> old! It's boring! Get a new line!

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anybody who can think from one end of an idea to the other without

> losing sight of where they started out understands that this

> " Expelled " movie is Christian propoganda. And don't forget that

Isn't Ben Stein jewish?

[Guest guest]

Actually, in enlightened cultures, Christian and Muslem, there were

periods - often called golden ages in their histories, where open

discussion of ideas was welcomed and those same times were the

periods where they had the most advancements - not just in

spirituality but also medicine, inventions, etc.

Squashing free thought and hindering people's ideas and pursuit of

truth will lead to a country of followers with too much fear to have

many new or unique ideas, then inventiveness, creativity, and

progress will go out the window.

Religion isn't fragile, but the versions of it that are wildly

opposed to what the Bible (or whatever religious book applies)

teaches are pretty fragile. What do you do when you can't go to the

source?? Any truth should be able to stand up to scrutiny - whether

it be Darwinism or cholesterol. When those proposing the ideas fear

any challenging discussion, then you start to wonder what they have

to hide. For instance, no dentist in the state of Pennsylvania will

debate Connett on the safety of water fluoridation. Why not?

Isn't it safe?? Can't it stand up to scrutiny? Are there no experts

who can prove it is safe?

The resistance to allowing a well-written Intelligent Design article

to appear in a scholarly magazine is not unique. This type of

censorship is widespread, on the safety of GM products, fluoride,

diet, what causes cancer, heart disease, etc. and much, much more.

Questionner beware - you're entering hostile territory of late. ID

is just one case in point.

>

> >

> > Religion is so fragile that, if you'll notice, it's always a grave

> > " sin " to question religious ideas (at least in those two big

violent

> > religions that each keep trying to forcibly take over the whole

> > world). This is just another example of that tactic of putting

people

> > on the defensive, accusing them of doing what you've been doing

( " you "

> > meaning the people who put out this movie).

> >

> > Joy

> >

>

> --

> Alan (alanmjones@...)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, can't let that one go. Sharon, I understand your frustration, but

someone IS after Gene. He'll knock, and then wait patiently for the door to

open, but He won't break the door down.

--

www.kellythekitchenkop.com

[Guest guest]

Goodness, guys, you should NOT have gone there...we're here to join together

over good nutrition and against those who want greed over health.  It is way

EASY to distract ourselves from this goal with politics and religion talk...

My girlfriend and I went to the State Fair on Monday...she wore McCain sticker

and I wore Obama.  We agree to disagree.  Needless to say, we turned a few heads

at the Fair for our unlikely comraderie... 

 

Deb in NC