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I used to work in an inpt. rehab setting in which aides sometimes provided

the entire treatment . I was told it was perfectly legal..maybe because it's

inpt. , but I thought aides were just that...aides...not therapists.

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Pierre - we have had the opportunity to interview a few PT's from the east

coast and central US and that practice seems common - at least by report.

Here in the Seattle area there is not much of that going on - at least that

I am aware of. The practice of scheduling (double booking and use of

extenders to provide care) based on insurance coverage and what is allowed

seems to fly in the face of what we consider professional care. Maybe that

is the only way to be financially viable with reimbursement for services

being as low as it is.

Jeff Wheeler PT, GCS

Inpatient Therapy Supervisor

Highline Med. Ctr./Highline Therapy Services

206 248-4651

Use of Aides

To the group. I spoke to a friend of mine in NYC who is having PT.

The therapist sees him about 15 min max and sends him out to the gym

where an aide watches him exercise. I told him he should seek therapy

elsewhere, but he assumes this is probably a common practice. My

question is: how common is this type of arrangement? In addition to

poor outcomes I would think the practice would be open to lawsuits

should a pt become injured. And aren't third party payers (besides

Medicare) interested in the level of supervision their policy holders

receive?

Pierre H. Rougny, PT MTC

Director of Rehab

Sebasticook Valley Hospital

21 Leighton St.

Pittsfield, ME 04967

(207)487-9293

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Unfortunately this is common, against the law - depends on practice act

and what the patient is told, or better yet understands

What kind of setting?

Is it line of site supervision?

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Use of Aides

To the group. I spoke to a friend of mine in NYC who is having PT.

The therapist sees him about 15 min max and sends him out to the gym

where an aide watches him exercise. I told him he should seek therapy

elsewhere, but he assumes this is probably a common practice. My

question is: how common is this type of arrangement? In addition to

poor outcomes I would think the practice would be open to lawsuits

should a pt become injured. And aren't third party payers (besides

Medicare) interested in the level of supervision their policy holders

receive?

Pierre H. Rougny, PT MTC

Director of Rehab

Sebasticook Valley Hospital

21 Leighton St.

Pittsfield, ME 04967

(207)487-9293

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Pierre,

I think we all know that this is not an exceptable practice for Medicare

and it is not exceptable for ANY PT setting in New York State. Here is a

direct quote form the frequently asked questions section of the NYS APTA

site......

May I use an " Aide or " Assistant " to provide physical therapy services?

New York State law restricts the practice of physical therapy to licensed

physical therapists or certified physical therapist assistants. Individuals

who are not licensed or certified may not provide physical therapy services.

Aides may perform non-patient related activities such as secretarial,

clerical and housekeeping tasks. Additionally, aides may act as an extra set

of hands for the physical therapist or physical therapist assistant who is

actually providing the treatment.

To read more here is the link. http://www.op.nysed.gov/ptfaq.htm

I would seek treatment elsewhere.

Noreen Vollmer,PT

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To: <PTManager >

Subject: Use of Aides

Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:21:51 -0400

To the group. I spoke to a friend of mine in NYC who is having PT.

The therapist sees him about 15 min max and sends him out to the gym

where an aide watches him exercise. I told him he should seek therapy

elsewhere, but he assumes this is probably a common practice. My

question is: how common is this type of arrangement? In addition to

poor outcomes I would think the practice would be open to lawsuits

should a pt become injured. And aren't third party payers (besides

Medicare) interested in the level of supervision their policy holders

receive?

Pierre H. Rougny, PT MTC

Director of Rehab

Sebasticook Valley Hospital

21 Leighton St.

Pittsfield, ME 04967

(207)487-9293

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In the Texas market this practice is rampant. I have colleagues in

several Texas cities and they report this is what their competition does

routinely. My two primary competitors practice this way, but the

average patient does not know what they have a right to, or what the law

requires.

Greg Lego, PT, DPT

Director of Rehab

Regional Medical Center

Kerrville, TX

Use of Aides

To the group. I spoke to a friend of mine in NYC who is having PT.

The therapist sees him about 15 min max and sends him out to the gym

where an aide watches him exercise. I told him he should seek therapy

elsewhere, but he assumes this is probably a common practice. My

question is: how common is this type of arrangement? In addition to

poor outcomes I would think the practice would be open to lawsuits

should a pt become injured. And aren't third party payers (besides

Medicare) interested in the level of supervision their policy holders

receive?

Pierre H. Rougny, PT MTC

Director of Rehab

Sebasticook Valley Hospital

21 Leighton St.

Pittsfield, ME 04967

(207)487-9293

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Good Morning Pierre-

We are very careful at all of our locations that we use aides in a

supportive capacity only.

They assist in preparing hot/cold packs, overseeing an exercise program

(non-billable of course) set-up and take down of the treatment areas,

changing linens, assisting on the phone, etc.

We have run into the same situation with patients coming to us from our

competitors saying how the therapists only saw them for 15 minutes, but

their aides did the ultrasound, ex, etc.

We strive to maintain a quality practice, and its very disheartening to

see our colleagues at other facilities misusing their aides and not

providing their patients with 1:1 therapy services by a skilled,

licensed professional.

While rehab aides serve a valuable purpose in any rehab setting, it is

important to use them only within their capacity and not misrepresent

them to patients as 'therapists or assistants. "

Kimberley R. Palma

Office Manager, ECHN Rehabilitation Services (Connecticut)

Tel: x5579

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On

Behalf Of Jeff Wheeler

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:43 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: Use of Aides

Pierre - we have had the opportunity to interview a few PT's from the

east

coast and central US and that practice seems common - at least by

report.

Here in the Seattle area there is not much of that going on - at least

that

I am aware of. The practice of scheduling (double booking and use of

extenders to provide care) based on insurance coverage and what is

allowed

seems to fly in the face of what we consider professional care. Maybe

that

is the only way to be financially viable with reimbursement for services

being as low as it is.

Jeff Wheeler PT, GCS

Inpatient Therapy Supervisor

Highline Med. Ctr./Highline Therapy Services

206 248-4651

Use of Aides

To the group. I spoke to a friend of mine in NYC who is having PT.

The therapist sees him about 15 min max and sends him out to the gym

where an aide watches him exercise. I told him he should seek therapy

elsewhere, but he assumes this is probably a common practice. My

question is: how common is this type of arrangement? In addition to

poor outcomes I would think the practice would be open to lawsuits

should a pt become injured. And aren't third party payers (besides

Medicare) interested in the level of supervision their policy holders

receive?

Pierre H. Rougny, PT MTC

Director of Rehab

Sebasticook Valley Hospital

21 Leighton St.

Pittsfield, ME 04967

(207)487-9293

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Hello Ron,

This is the answer that our company got regarding the use of Aides.

Q: In a November Federal Register, it was stated that CMS is changing the

requirements for Part A and Part B therapies to have the same requirements for

the use of therapy Aides. Does that mean that we will not be able to use Aides

for Part A as we do now?

A: CMS is looking to standardize the requirements for Part A and Part B

therapy but the change has not been made yet. When that change is made,

providers will be notified in the form of a MLN Matters article. There is no

projected time-frame for this change.

Egbert PT, WCC, CKTP

Director of Rehab

Draper, Utah

Ron Wall wrote:

Group

I ahve been asked by several people recently about a Medicare rule change that

is to take effect in July 2008 regarding the use of PT Aides. What I have been

told is that Aides will no longer be allowed when delivering Medicare A services

in an SNF setting. I have not been able to find the documentation to support

this. I would appreciate it if some one can direct me to where I may find this.

Ron Wall

Axiom Healthcare Group

Ontario, CA

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