Re: Re: high fructose ads & about LA

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> Actually, I do have a reference, although I'm not sure what data was

> used to support this conclusion:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/brochures/wapfbrochure.html

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> Characteristics of Traditional Diets

> 7. Total fat content of traditional diets varies from 30 percent to 80

> percent of calories but only about 4 percent of calories come from

> polyunsaturated oils naturally occurring in grains, legumes, nuts,

> fish, animal fats and vegetables. The balance of fat calories is in

> the form of saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids.

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Yes I'm familiar with the WAPF position, as I alluded to in my

previous post, but WAPF has no apparent reference for what they are

saying, so right now it appears to me to be an arbitrary statement.

I'm certainly not arguing that PUFA should be higher, in fact I have

believed for quite awhile that it should be lower than 4% as a general

rule, and Chris's Special Report on the topic seems to confirm that in

a pretty rigorous fashion.

http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/chris-masterjohn-special-reports.htm

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For the first time in ten years, we never installed the air

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Dave Von Kleist

[Guest guest]

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I agree, but it's basically impossible to keep PUFA meaningfully below

4% on a high-fat, whole-foodsy sort of diet. I get most of my fat

from dairy, for example, and butter fat is unfortunately almost 4% PUFA.

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> I'm certainly not arguing that PUFA should be higher, in fact I have

> believed for quite awhile that it should be lower than 4% as a general

> rule, and Chris's Special Report on the topic seems to confirm that in

> a pretty rigorous fashion.

>

> http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/chris-masterjohn-special-reports.htm

[Guest guest]

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> I agree, but it's basically impossible to keep PUFA meaningfully below

> 4% on a high-fat, whole-foodsy sort of diet. I get most of my fat

> from dairy, for example, and butter fat is unfortunately almost 4% PUFA.

Definitely so if dairy is a large part of your diet. You would have to

eliminate dairy for the most part and probably lower your intake of

animal foods overall. I depend a lot on dairy fat myself. I'm not sure

how great a concern it is depending on other variables, but I do think

we should probably stop referencing the unverified attribution of 4%

made by the WAPF, which I know you didn't but originally did.

--

Buffalo too, has beautiful summers but not this year. Cool and rainy.

For the first time in ten years, we never installed the air

conditioners. My line on all this is, somebody better do something

about global warming before I freeze to death. - Ostrowski

" If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " -

Dave Von Kleist

[Guest guest]

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> Definitely so if dairy is a large part of your diet. You would have to

> eliminate dairy for the most part and probably lower your intake of

> animal foods overall. I depend a lot on dairy fat myself. I'm not sure

> how great a concern it is depending on other variables, but I do think

> we should probably stop referencing the unverified attribution of 4%

> made by the WAPF, which I know you didn't but originally did.

Yeah, the 4% threshold itself is probably of no particular value, but

based on Chris's work, I'd think reducing PUFA consumption

dramatically below 4% would be generally desirable, so if anything,

the situation is much worse than the WAPF figure suggests, not better.

That said, replacing animal fat with carbs would have far more

immediate and dramatic negative effects on my health, so it's simply

not an option for me, and probably shouldn't be for most people and

maybe even everyone.

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