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[Guest guest]

Everyone is saying what a great step forward this is for the US, electing a

black president, and it is (in terms of racial equality).

But imagine the huge step -backwards- it would be if one pinhead white

racist assassinates him. I imagine the blacks would riot like never

before...

Alan

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Debra <purple66moon@...> wrote:

> <<At any rate he is now the president-elect. Lets hope he doesn't get

> assassinated and touch off racial strife of a kind this country has

> never seen.>>

>

> So, I'm not the only one who braced herself for a gunshot during his

> acceptance speech in Chicago, huh. So many times before, good men have

> gotten murdered. I sure hope he and his family have kick-ass Clint

> Eastwoods and Denzel Washingtons around them! There's so much riding on

> this and many bad people who want him dead.

>

> Deb in NC

>

--

Alan (alanmjones@...)

[Guest guest]

Debra,

> I gotta say here...the last " white pride " demonstration I saw was in

> Greensboro, NC a few years ago. All these young drunk white kids sporting

> confederate flags driving slowly thru town just made me laugh. I felt ZERO

> white pride at seeing these idiots act like that.

Was it explicitly a " white pride " demonstration or a rather a

" confederate pride " demonstration? The reason I ask is that I know a

number of black people, while hating the slave history, LOVE the

South. Personally I don't see the big deal, but to each his own.

> Perhaps there are blacks out there who feel the same when they see young

> black kids standing around in the streets out of the same boredom as those

> white kids and " expressing " themselves rudely to everyone who will listen.

I remember once saying that if he were walking in the

inner city and a saw a group of young black men hanging out, he would

cross the street too. It was pretty funny actually on one level,

tragic on another.

> I am a woman who has grown up in the South and I am quite disgusted with the

> so-called " black hip-hop culture "

So are a lot of Black Americans. " Black hip-hop culture " is not and

never has been the essence of black America, and represents a tiny

majority of black Americans.

> I see day in and day out and was just

> " this close " to being a racist herself. But, in the end, Obama and

> other caring Blacks changed that. He reads, writes, and speaks like an

> educated, concerned, and balanced man. Unlike our previous white President,

> I might add.

Oh geez, I will try not to be cynical here :-)

You can find all kind of educated and articulate black folks going way

way way back. And it took Obama and a few other caring blacks to keep

you from becoming racist???? Unless your only exposure to black

America has been Snoop Dog and his fellow black redneck/hip hop

culture, that is hard to believe. Obama seems like a nice man

personally, but he is not the Messiah.

> Though only half this country agrees, I find it nice that we can

> still extend out our hands to each other despite our differences. It

> reminds me of the few people who say bad things about gay people, until they

> get to know one. If you truly are open-minded, then read Obama's books at

> least. There is something about reading someone's thoughts on paper that is

> worth more than any internet sling or news bite.

Well some of the thoughts from his first book aren't too encouraging,

not that it much matters.

> And you know there is still hope when you find a political cynic like me

> weeping joyfully over a simple acceptance speech on Nov. 4. I don't

> remember doing that before....

Hmmmm...personally I wouldn't call that hope, more like someone else

has started drinking the kool-aid of American party politics. And now

that he is responsible for the death of innocent lives in Pakistan,

just a few days into his administration, we can now put Obama in the

pantheon of his presidential predecessors who were cold blooded

murderers, no matter how nice they may seem personally or how much

they were " just doing their job. "

--

In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather, we are the

stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each of us. But

this concerns only

the relation between man and Deity. As far as the relationship between

man and man,

however, the secular statement that we own our own bodies has an

entirely different

meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

one person may take

it upon himself to enslave another, even for the latter's " own good. "

- Walter Block

[Guest guest]

Debra,

> <<At any rate he is now the president-elect. Lets hope he doesn't get

> assassinated and touch off racial strife of a kind this country has

> never seen.>>

>

> So, I'm not the only one who braced herself for a gunshot during his

> acceptance speech in Chicago, huh. So many times before, good men have

> gotten murdered. I sure hope he and his family have kick-ass Clint

> Eastwoods and Denzel Washingtons around them! There's so much riding on

> this and many bad people who want him dead.

Alan,

> Everyone is saying what a great step forward this is for the US, electing a

> black president, and it is (in terms of racial equality).

>

> But imagine the huge step -backwards- it would be if one pinhead white

> racist assassinates him. I imagine the blacks would riot like never

> before...

Given the history of presidential assassinations:

(http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch57.html)owwer

if I were Obama, I would be far more worried about those who are

around him rather than some lone gunman who might pick him off. Having

said that, it is my guess that the supposed racial tensions that exist

in this country a la white supremacists, will be used as a pretext for

some rather draconian measures coming out of the White House

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-two-years-bart-mcintyre-was-dee\

ply.html

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

Deb,

> So, I'm not the only one who braced herself for a gunshot during his

> acceptance speech in Chicago, huh. So many times before, good men have

> gotten murdered. I sure hope he and his family have kick-ass Clint

> Eastwoods and Denzel Washingtons around them! There's so much riding on

> this and many bad people who want him dead.

In the 19th century, it was possible for a disgruntled citizen to

assasinate the president. In the 21st century and for most of the

20th century, I seriously, seriously doubt anyone would be able to

assassinate the president without insider connections to the

government.

McKinley was shot in the face by an anarchist who walked up to shake

his hand holding a gun under a handkerchief. That was the last time,

I think, that an outsider assassinated a president. Protections are

much more complex now.

If you threaten to " splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and

scatter it into the winds " and issue an executive order that results

in the US Treasury issuing $4.3 billion in silver-backed " US Treasury

notes " rather than borrowing " Federal Reserve Notes " from the Federal

Reserve, owned privately by the banking cartel, you might get

assasinated.

If you promise that HW Bush will have no place in your

administration because of his connections to the Trilateral Commission

and promise to investigate the Trilateral Commission once you are

president, you might get shot, wind up in ICU, and HW Bush

might wind up your vice president. And heck, the guy who shot you

might even be a friend of Bush's son Neal and might even have met with

Bush the night before the shooting, and might even get away

scot free on an insanity plea.

If you're a racist skinhead and part of some counter-culture group

with no connections to the CIA, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral

Commission, and international banking cartel, I really doubt you could

get away with assasinating a president because he's black.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> If you threaten to " splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and

> scatter it into the winds " and issue an executive order that results

> in the US Treasury issuing $4.3 billion in silver-backed " US Treasury

> notes " rather than borrowing " Federal Reserve Notes " from the Federal

> Reserve, owned privately by the banking cartel, you might get

> assasinated.

Wow...sounds vaguely familiar.

>

> If you promise that HW Bush will have no place in your

> administration because of his connections to the Trilateral Commission

> and promise to investigate the Trilateral Commission once you are

> president, you might get shot, wind up in ICU, and HW Bush

> might wind up your vice president. And heck, the guy who shot you

> might even be a friend of Bush's son Neal and might even have met with

> Bush the night before the shooting, and might even get away

> scot free on an insanity plea.

Déjà vu all over again!

LOL.

Suze

[Guest guest]

> In the 19th century, it was possible for a disgruntled citizen to

> assasinate the president. In the 21st century and for most of the

> 20th century, I seriously, seriously doubt anyone would be able to

> assassinate the president without insider connections to the

> government.

> McKinley was shot in the face by an anarchist who walked up to shake

> his hand holding a gun under a handkerchief. That was the last time,

> I think, that an outsider assassinated a president. Protections are

> much more complex now.

Lincoln, the first president assassinated, did keep body guards,

although McKinley and Garfield did not.

> If you threaten to " splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and

> scatter it into the winds " and issue an executive order that results

> in the US Treasury issuing $4.3 billion in silver-backed " US Treasury

> notes " rather than borrowing " Federal Reserve Notes " from the Federal

> Reserve, owned privately by the banking cartel, you might get

> assasinated.

Did a vote for Ron mean you were voting for his death? Bringing

that up may have been a great way to get him a lot more votes, LOL!

Stone intimates in his movie on Nixon, that Nixon played a role or at

least was used as funnel to get to JFK. My personal opinion is that

you always look to who has the most to benefit from something like

this, and LBJ's craziness rivals that of any of the later Caesars.

Reading his biography is like reading something out of the first

century - outrageous and unbelievable. You walk away asking yourself,

" was this guy really the President? "

> If you promise that HW Bush will have no place in your

> administration because of his connections to the Trilateral Commission

> and promise to investigate the Trilateral Commission once you are

> president, you might get shot, wind up in ICU, and HW Bush

> might wind up your vice president. And heck, the guy who shot you

> might even be a friend of Bush's son Neal and might even have met with

> Bush the night before the shooting, and might even get away

> scot free on an insanity plea.

Come on, Bush was/is a politician. Politicians at his level never do

anything risky like this :-)

What is interesting that Garfield and McKinley might have indeed

survived with better medical care, and we would have only two

successful assassinations of American presidents.

In my mind this is why Garfield is the greatest American President to

ever live. He wasn't around long enough to do anything.

> If you're a racist skinhead and part of some counter-culture group

> with no connections to the CIA, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral

> Commission, and international banking cartel, I really doubt you could

> get away with assasinating a president because he's black.

Of course a racist or counter-culture group might get unknowingly

funded by someone with inside connections (and information) to pull

this off just so they have plausible deniability.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

,

> Stone intimates in his movie on Nixon, that Nixon played a role or at

> least was used as funnel to get to JFK. My personal opinion is that

> you always look to who has the most to benefit from something like

> this, and LBJ's craziness rivals that of any of the later Caesars.

> Reading his biography is like reading something out of the first

> century - outrageous and unbelievable. You walk away asking yourself,

> " was this guy really the President? "

I'm not sure what you're referring to as I've never read his

biography, but he did promote the space program so that the " masters

of infinity " could dominate space, which sounds fairly ambitious.

HW Bush is also connected to the assasination of LBJ, though

not nearly as intensely as he is connected to the attempted

assasination of Reagan. The last known contact of Lee Harvey Oswald

had Bush's contact information in his address book with a nickname

that supposedly only his close friends and associates knew him by at

the time.

>> If you promise that HW Bush will have no place in your

>> administration because of his connections to the Trilateral Commission

>> and promise to investigate the Trilateral Commission once you are

>> president, you might get shot, wind up in ICU, and HW Bush

>> might wind up your vice president. And heck, the guy who shot you

>> might even be a friend of Bush's son Neal and might even have met with

>> Bush the night before the shooting, and might even get away

>> scot free on an insanity plea.

> Come on, Bush was/is a politician. Politicians at his level never do

> anything risky like this :-)

Politician? He was a CIA director too. He was also the third

generation of people committed to supporting the Hitler regime and the

Nazification of America in his family. Of course, he was appointed by

Ford to the CIA in order to restore integrity to the institution after

the Church Committee had uncovered lots of its nasty activities,

including its psychochemical mind-control experimentation programs

borrowed from the Nazis that were part of the MK ULTRA program and

were the basis for the Bourne Trilogy with Matt Damon.

That is somewhat ironic, since much of this activity was done under

the leadership of Dulles, who with his brother

Dulles and HW Bush's father Prescott Bush and father-in-law

Herbert worked on the board of and as attorneys for

Union Banking Corp brokering many deals in support of the Hitler

regime. Dulles was fired from the CIA by JFK and later

appointed to the Warren Commission to coverup, I mean, investigate the

assasination of JFK.

> What is interesting that Garfield and McKinley might have indeed

> survived with better medical care, and we would have only two

> successful assassinations of American presidents.

Interesting.

> In my mind this is why Garfield is the greatest American President to

> ever live. He wasn't around long enough to do anything.

Not much to his merit then, except as a joke. Coolidge pretty

willingly did little, didn't he?

>> If you're a racist skinhead and part of some counter-culture group

>> with no connections to the CIA, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral

>> Commission, and international banking cartel, I really doubt you could

>> get away with assasinating a president because he's black.

> Of course a racist or counter-culture group might get unknowingly

> funded by someone with inside connections (and information) to pull

> this off just so they have plausible deniability.

Dulles would be proud, since he appears to have coined the term.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure what you're referring to as I've never read his

> biography, but he did promote the space program so that the " masters

> of infinity " could dominate space, which sounds fairly ambitious.

Ah no, its far worse than that. Lets just say for the sake of brevity

he would do anything and I do mean anything, to get his way in the

political world.

> HW Bush is also connected to the assasination of LBJ, though

> not nearly as intensely as he is connected to the attempted

> assasination of Reagan. The last known contact of Lee Harvey Oswald

> had Bush's contact information in his address book with a nickname

> that supposedly only his close friends and associates knew him by at

> the time.

Come on isn't that risky? I mean who do you think you are

talking about, the Kennedy's? <weg>

>> Come on, Bush was/is a politician. Politicians at his level never do

>> anything risky like this :-)

>

> Politician? He was a CIA director too. He was also the third

> generation of people committed to supporting the Hitler regime and the

> Nazification of America in his family. Of course, he was appointed by

> Ford to the CIA in order to restore integrity to the institution after

> the Church Committee had uncovered lots of its nasty activities,

> including its psychochemical mind-control experimentation programs

> borrowed from the Nazis that were part of the MK ULTRA program and

> were the basis for the Bourne Trilogy with Matt Damon.

Now see there you go. I'm trying to introduce a little levity and keep

your sometimes thread partner Gene happy, and you have to go off and

get serious on me <g>

> That is somewhat ironic, since much of this activity was done under

> the leadership of Dulles, who with his brother

> Dulles and HW Bush's father Prescott Bush and father-in-law

> Herbert worked on the board of and as attorneys for

> Union Banking Corp brokering many deals in support of the Hitler

> regime.

I'm becoming more and more convinced when you talk about Hitler that

it is better to refer to the Nazi's by their full name, because as

soon as you utter " Nazi " no matter how true or appropriate, real

thinking shuts down. As Lew Rockwell noted people like to think of

Nazism as an epithet, not something that might still have life. On the

other hand the more I learn about China pre-1976, some from a friend

who lives there and was living during that time, I'm beginning to

think Hitler wasn't even the worst evil in his own time.

> Dulles was fired from the CIA by JFK and later

> appointed to the Warren Commission to coverup, I mean, investigate the

> assasination of JFK.

Coverup? Our government? No way!

>> In my mind this is why Garfield is the greatest American President to

>> ever live. He wasn't around long enough to do anything.

>

> Not much to his merit then, except as a joke. Coolidge pretty

> willingly did little, didn't he?

Yeah there should have been a smiley face at the end of the sentence,

and I usually make the joke in reference to Henry on,

who lasted only 31 days in office, even shorter than Garfield's 4

months.

I would rank Cleveland higher than Coolidge but as H.L. Mencken said

of Coolidge, " " There were no thrills while he reigned, but neither

were there any headaches. He had no ideas, and he was not a nuisance, "

which is saying ***a lot*** for a twentieth century president.

>>> If you're a racist skinhead and part of some counter-culture group

>>> with no connections to the CIA, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral

>>> Commission, and international banking cartel, I really doubt you could

>>> get away with assasinating a president because he's black.

>

>> Of course a racist or counter-culture group might get unknowingly

>> funded by someone with inside connections (and information) to pull

>> this off just so they have plausible deniability.

>

> Dulles would be proud, since he appears to have coined the term.

Yes it is a good description of an age old phenomenon.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

Chris-

> If you're a racist skinhead and part of some counter-culture group

> with no connections to the CIA, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral

> Commission, and international banking cartel, I really doubt you could

> get away with assasinating a president because he's black.

I'm not sure an active connection is necessarily required. Elements

in the intelligence world could be aware of a plot and just decide to

do nothing.

Not that I particularly expect that to happen, as Obama seems to be

seeking to demonstrate an extremely conventional political

sensibility. He only seems extreme to some people because of the

(relatively) recent derangement of the media.

-

[Guest guest]

-

> Was it explicitly a " white pride " demonstration or a rather a

> " confederate pride " demonstration? The reason I ask is that I know a

> number of black people, while hating the slave history, LOVE the

> South. Personally I don't see the big deal, but to each his own.

And do these South-loving black people drive around waving confederate

flags?

Color me skeptical.

-

[Guest guest]

,

> I'm not sure an active connection is necessarily required. Elements

> in the intelligence world could be aware of a plot and just decide to

> do nothing.

>

> Not that I particularly expect that to happen, as Obama seems to be

> seeking to demonstrate an extremely conventional political

> sensibility. He only seems extreme to some people because of the

> (relatively) recent derangement of the media.

Well yes, but doing nothing would require having them on your bad

side. So, if Obama were to be assassinated, it would be because he

got on the bad side of the intelligence/Bildergerg/CFR/Trilateral

Commission folks and not because of racism. And, I think,

specifically because it seemed there was no other alternative. I

think Obama's gotten to where he is precisely because he has convinced

those people that he won't be a problem to them. I think he has

essentially promised them he'd give their program a facelift and

restore trust to the system after Bush did so much damage to it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

> And do these South-loving black people drive around waving confederate

> flags?

Of course not, since the confederate **flag** has come to be

synonymous, thanks to that " deranged media " you refer to in another

post, with slavery. But there are people, including many southern

black folk, who love what was once the Confederacy for reasons that

have nothing to do with slavery. That is why I said,

" The reason I ask is that I know a number of black people, ***while

hating the slave history,*** LOVE the South. "

The historical reverence that white folk seem to have of the North in

regards to this issue is not the same historical memory that floats

through a lot of Black America. Thus the oft-quoted joke, " The South?

The South is everything below the Canadian border. " Actually, there is

a lot of truth to that statement when it came to the issue of slavery

and racist attitudes. There is a reason the " Underground Railroad " led

not just to the North, but all the way to Canada.

--

" The president addressed Congress the other day. I don't know which

was scarier -- the speech, or Congress cheering him on. He invoked

Lincoln. Whenever a president is going to get us in serious trouble,

they always use Lincoln. " --

Victor Milson, space adviser to the U.S. president, reporting ominous

news from home to his friend Dr. Heywood Floyd (who is in the vicinity

of Jupiter); from the film 2010: The Year We Make Contact.