RELIGION /Re: No Intelligence Allowed

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Religion has no place in hard Science.

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> Joy

I take issue with this statement right here and although I haven't

seen the movie Expelled, it sounds like it's taking issue with these

exclusive positions that people have of hard Science. Science is

systematic study so how could it exclude religion. How can science

only be marginalized to what is measurable. The problem with this is

that which can be measured then hinges on the capability of what's

been invented so far for measurement.

To be a truth seeker of any kind you have to understand the age you

have been born into to work in terms of given prejudices and bias.

This is the age of science worship. " Science " has become the new

catholic church giving or not giving permisssion to people for belief

based on what's not even science in most cases but just the

mainstream accepted view of things. I think this is crux of what the

movie is addressing. The ridicule and closemindedness you come up

against if you are not thinking along the mainstream where people

lose their jobs etc. The theory of Evolution, like anything else, has

it's theories within theories with some being mutually exclusive of

each other. There's a lot of debate within this field, of course

like any other, of what the " facts " are and how to interpret them.

One tiny example: I have read over and over about the fallibility of

carbon dating. That the older the substance is the less reliable the

dating method is.

I encounter a lot of people who proudley proclaim " I only believe in

things that are scientifically supported " . Okay getting a lot of

vaccinations is scientifically supported OR there is not an abundance

of articles on Cod liver oil in JAMA so that is not scientifically

supported according to doctors I have spoken with. People don't

understand that the very term " scientifically supported " is not a

concrete, agreed upon concept. That's the issue here: is co-existing

in a society (that is bent on self-destruction even with all

this " science " at our fingertips) with individuals who go through

life denying all the other laws of the universe except for what they

think are scientific laws, and it helps pave the way for the

continued thought control I experienced in the school system. On

another note, God will never be proved b/c God is everything. It's

not like someday someone will perfect a telephone that can call God

up and broadcast the conversation on television. He's not a man with

a beard. God is everything and " no thing " and plus only believing in

what you can see is no fun and not part of the game. Many old

religions refer to life here as a game.

Religion and Philosophy allow, inherently for the inclusion of

science in the discussion but the real pseudo scientists say " no only

what we call hard science can be viewed as working fact, leave any

other systems and though processes out of it " so you have this

complete marginalization that brings us further and further away from

any truths that science is supposed to be helping us seek out. A

methaphor would be the allpathic view of the body vs. a holistic

view. My money is on the holistic view. The interplay of systems, the

bigger picture vs. micro views.

Most well thought out people believe science and religion can exist

side by side and that they somtimes point to one another. Evolution

should be a standard of truth only if it can stand on it's own two

feet, logic and evidence wise, and maybe it will, who knows? It

shouldn't be held as truth just as an alternative to believing in

God. Plus many christians/jews accept evolution and some athiestic

scientists don't accept evolution as how life is here as we know it

b/c many don't accept unifromitarianism based on a lot of different

evidence out there.