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I was talking with someone well connected with the American Liver Foundation. This person told me that The ALF used to be involved with Patient Support, but 'it pulled too many resources' so now they fundraise strictly for research. Sorry I am sounding negative. The way I translate that is - Instead of a hospital getting $1.00 for research and using $.80 for direct research expenses and $.20 for overhead (administration) the ALF gets $100 gives the Reasearch Center $.80 and the ALF uses $.20 for admin overhead. The research Center uses $.64 for research and $.16 for admin overhead.

If someone wants to donate money for Liver research they may as well donate it to the Mayo clinic, or some other similiar research center. I know that they Mayo is currently doing two research studies for PSC.

a) a multi center study of increased doses of Urso.

B) a study on the use of Remicade in PSC, (it seems promisisng)

(I also heard that the Mayo is esearching the use of nicotine for UC, they are currently researching the best delivery method - patches, gum etc.)

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A partner that would like to remain anonymous has a clinic in Kentucky.

He has had contact from two facilities that are not happy with their

Home Health visits provded by a local nursing company. The two

facilities are an Assisted Living Facility and an Independent Living

facility. They have approached his company and asked if he could

provide PT & OT services in these settings. They have indicated that

these services might qualify for reimbursement as " home visits " . Is

this true?

The majority of the patients are covered by Medicare. Is there a

difference in Medicare reimbursement if the patient is treated in the

ALF or ILF? Also, how do you determine if the patient is under a home

health agency Episode of Care?

Any inpt would be appreciated. Thank you.

Myrna Posner

Allied Rehab

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Hi Myrna,

If an ALF or ILF resident meets the Part A Medicare definition of

" homebound " and the standard home health requirements, then that resident

can be seen in their residence with services provided by a Medicare

certified home health agency (and therapists in their employ or contracted

with them). As far as I know, if a beneficiary meets the requirements for

home health, then they must be seen by a home health certified agency. You

can't just bypass to Part B therapy if they meet the Part A requirements.

If the ALF or ILF resident no longer meets the requirements for home health

including not meeting the homebound requirement AND it can be documented

that there is a good reason why that resident cannot get to an outpatient PT

clinic (safety, cognition, transportation issues etc.), then outpatient

therapy (under Part B services)can be done at their residence. The provider

coming to the residence must be Medicare Part B certified. Wade was correct

in that there is no compensation for travel or travel time, only the

standard outpatient billing as you would do in the clinic. The important

point is to document the reason why outpatient part B services need to be

done at the residence versus at an outpatient clinic.

Any Medicare beneficiary starting outpatient PT needs to be screened to make

sure they have been discharged from a home health agency. It is not easy to

do and may require you to call the home health agency to check. You will

not get paid on an outpatient claim until the beneficiary is discharged from

home health. There is no easier way around this. Also the lines between

what qualifies for home health PT under Part A and outpatient PT under Part

B have a lot of gray areas. Your partner needs to be sure what type of

beneficiary the ALF and ILF are talking about.

Finally, therapists/clinics do contract directly with the facility and can

set up a treatment area in the ALF or ILF and provide standard outpatient

treatment. It becomes a satellite clinic. This is a rare option because

that clinic must meet all the Medicare requirements for an outpatient

clinic-very costly and time consuming.

Hope this helps!

Tom Howell, P.T., M.P.T.

Howell Physical Therapy

Eagle, ID

howellpt@...

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From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of mposnerx

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:11 AM

To: PTManager

Subject: ALF

A partner that would like to remain anonymous has a clinic in Kentucky.

He has had contact from two facilities that are not happy with their

Home Health visits provded by a local nursing company. The two

facilities are an Assisted Living Facility and an Independent Living

facility. They have approached his company and asked if he could

provide PT & OT services in these settings. They have indicated that

these services might qualify for reimbursement as " home visits " . Is

this true?

The majority of the patients are covered by Medicare. Is there a

difference in Medicare reimbursement if the patient is treated in the

ALF or ILF? Also, how do you determine if the patient is under a home

health agency Episode of Care?

Any inpt would be appreciated. Thank you.

Myrna Posner

Allied Rehab

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Tom

In your previous response your wrote:

" As far as I know, if a beneficiary meets the requirements for

> home health, then they must be seen by a home health certified

agency. You

> can't just bypass to Part B therapy if they meet the Part A

requirements. "

Please provide a reference for this " must " statement. My

interpretation of " must " is that there is no longer patient choice

involved. My experience has been exactly the opposite - it is

COMPLETELY the patient's choice between a Part A HHA or a Part B

therapy provider. We have been unable to find any references to the

contrary.

Thanks

Kovacek, PT

Harper Woods, MI

>

> Hi Myrna,

>

>

>

> If an ALF or ILF resident meets the Part A Medicare definition of

> " homebound " and the standard home health requirements, then that

resident

> can be seen in their residence with services provided by a Medicare

> certified home health agency (and therapists in their employ or

contracted

> with them). As far as I know, if a beneficiary meets the

requirements for

> home health, then they must be seen by a home health certified

agency. You

> can't just bypass to Part B therapy if they meet the Part A

requirements.

>

>

>

> If the ALF or ILF resident no longer meets the requirements for

home health

> including not meeting the homebound requirement AND it can be

documented

> that there is a good reason why that resident cannot get to an

outpatient PT

> clinic (safety, cognition, transportation issues etc.), then

outpatient

> therapy (under Part B services)can be done at their residence. The

provider

> coming to the residence must be Medicare Part B certified. Wade

was correct

> in that there is no compensation for travel or travel time, only the

> standard outpatient billing as you would do in the clinic. The

important

> point is to document the reason why outpatient part B services need

to be

> done at the residence versus at an outpatient clinic.

>

>

>

> Any Medicare beneficiary starting outpatient PT needs to be

screened to make

> sure they have been discharged from a home health agency. It is

not easy to

> do and may require you to call the home health agency to check.

You will

> not get paid on an outpatient claim until the beneficiary is

discharged from

> home health. There is no easier way around this. Also the lines

between

> what qualifies for home health PT under Part A and outpatient PT

under Part

> B have a lot of gray areas. Your partner needs to be sure what

type of

> beneficiary the ALF and ILF are talking about.

>

>

>

> Finally, therapists/clinics do contract directly with the facility

and can

> set up a treatment area in the ALF or ILF and provide standard

outpatient

> treatment. It becomes a satellite clinic. This is a rare option

because

> that clinic must meet all the Medicare requirements for an

outpatient

> clinic-very costly and time consuming.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> Tom Howell, P.T., M.P.T.

>

> Howell Physical Therapy

>

> Eagle, ID

>

> howellpt@...

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ]

On Behalf

> Of mposnerx

> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:11 AM

> To: PTManager

> Subject: ALF

>

>

>

> A partner that would like to remain anonymous has a clinic in

Kentucky.

> He has had contact from two facilities that are not happy with

their

> Home Health visits provded by a local nursing company. The two

> facilities are an Assisted Living Facility and an Independent

Living

> facility. They have approached his company and asked if he could

> provide PT & OT services in these settings. They have indicated

that

> these services might qualify for reimbursement as " home visits " . Is

> this true?

>

> The majority of the patients are covered by Medicare. Is there a

> difference in Medicare reimbursement if the patient is treated in

the

> ALF or ILF? Also, how do you determine if the patient is under a

home

> health agency Episode of Care?

>

> Any inpt would be appreciated. Thank you.

>

> Myrna Posner

> Allied Rehab

>

>

>

>

>

>

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