Re: sorry Vicki!/Sorry Lee

[Guest guest]

Whilst licking their paws on 18 Dec 2000, at 7:38, Lee Cleland purred the

following

> Vicki I am sorry that you feel so strong about what is said here! I

> agree with evereyone having their own opinion so I will not judge

> this, however I have found that in the few short days that I have been

> on this site I have had some good advice! I told half a story about me

> detailing me and my weight etc, I have been fighting for long enough

> with my weight problem and I feel that it is time to do something!

Dear Lee

I think I owe you an apology. Of course, lap-band surgery is a

good weight loss tool that does work for lots of people. I'd just like

to make sure that you are aware of *all* the possible pitfalls. *I*

certainly wasn't - not through the fault of anyone else but myself I

suspect - I wanted this to work *so* desperately that I didn't want

to know that there could be problems. Also, I was done in the

early days of the surgery in Australia - I think the problems are

more spoken about now than they were in " my " day ....

> when a dr try's to put you in your place and give you mis informed

> information or just shuffles you round like a pass the parcel you

> start to get a little irritated that someone will not let you venture

> to the next step! I told him that I valued his opinion but that I

> would rether speak to someone who specialises in that area to " put me

> off " rather than someone who really is unsure about it and has heard

> all the bad things through the grape vine! which is the truth

But you also have to realise that sometimes GPs have to play

" devil's advocate " . Isn't it better to have a doctor that wants to

ensure the seriousness of your request, rather than one who just

sends every person that asks to a surgeon? My suggestion is to

keep plugging away at him - if he realises how detemined you are

you may just get the referral. Take him copies of the research you

have done, letters from this list. Make him aware that you *know*

the risks and are willing to accept them. If after all that he's still

not willing to help then of course find someone who is.

> unfortunatly! I have been overwieght since I was about 8 and have

> finally come to the end of my teather! I WANT to change my life for

> the better and just like the rest of you I do not take this surgery as

> lightly as I may have portrayed! (sorry if I was mis understood) I

I was put on my first diet at age three, so I truly understand. I was

counting calories and logging my food input at eight. Eight was

also the age when I was first put on amphetamines. So there is

probably no one who understands the frustration of being

overweight more than I do. I don't think you get to the stage of

wanting WLS unless you *have* felt that frustration - nobody would

do it on a whim!

> have been to as many web site as the rest of you and have cringed at

> the painfull stories about what can and may happen. believe me I have

> probably spent about 5 hours a day for the last 2 weeks researching

> all the sites (wordwide) so please don't think i think that this is an

This is *excellent " . And talking here is the correct thing to do too.

As long as you are aware, then there will be little to surprise you.

> easy fix! cause there is no easy fix! nor may there ever be in my

> time! I just want to start my life out the right way while I am still

> healthy enough to recover and young enough to enjoy this time of my

> life! why throw away all my youth????? I also know I have to change my

> food choices and start exercising every day. I just need a hand and if

> the band can lend me the hand then so be it!

Using the band as a tool is the correct way to approach it. It is a

tool that stops you eating too much at one sitting - but you still

have to make the right food choices. IMHO, I wouldn't recommend

WLS to anyone who said they couldn't possibly make good food

choices. There is no point. As I have said before, fatty and sweet

foods are usually the most band friendly. And it's *so* easy, when

you've vomited up the cereal you had for breakfast and the salad

you had for lunch, with that empty feeling in your stomach, to just

go " oh a little ice-cream won't hurt .... I haven't really eaten all day " .

This was the beginning of my own downfall. But if you are sure you

can make good food choices, eat sensibly, then you will succeed.

And I wish you all the best of luck!

Regards

Vicki Cleaver

vickicleaver@...

[Guest guest]

Vicki I appreciate your apology and thank you for it! (*at least some people

understand the effort of forgiveness.) in retrospect I feel maybe I was a

bit harsh on the DR but I was extremely upset about it! I have decided to

try an old DR I used to go to and see what happens there as they know a

little more about me! hopefully Thursday maybe I'll go to see them! but

we'll wait and see! I have to gain some more courage before I can look

someone in the eye and say hey I am getting really depressed about my weight

and need a hand!

Anyway enough of me moaning for now and I hope to hear from you all soon!!!

Lee x x x x

>

>Reply-To: ozbandegroups

>To: ozbandegroups

>Subject: Re: sorry Vicki!/Sorry Lee

>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:33:08 +1000

>

>

>

>Whilst licking their paws on 18 Dec 2000, at 7:38, Lee Cleland purred the

>following

>

> > Vicki I am sorry that you feel so strong about what is said here! I

> > agree with evereyone having their own opinion so I will not judge

> > this, however I have found that in the few short days that I have been

> > on this site I have had some good advice! I told half a story about me

> > detailing me and my weight etc, I have been fighting for long enough

> > with my weight problem and I feel that it is time to do something!

>

>Dear Lee

>

>I think I owe you an apology. Of course, lap-band surgery is a

>good weight loss tool that does work for lots of people. I'd just like

>to make sure that you are aware of *all* the possible pitfalls. *I*

>certainly wasn't - not through the fault of anyone else but myself I

>suspect - I wanted this to work *so* desperately that I didn't want

>to know that there could be problems. Also, I was done in the

>early days of the surgery in Australia - I think the problems are

>more spoken about now than they were in " my " day ....

>

> > when a dr try's to put you in your place and give you mis informed

> > information or just shuffles you round like a pass the parcel you

> > start to get a little irritated that someone will not let you venture

> > to the next step! I told him that I valued his opinion but that I

> > would rether speak to someone who specialises in that area to " put me

> > off " rather than someone who really is unsure about it and has heard

> > all the bad things through the grape vine! which is the truth

>

>But you also have to realise that sometimes GPs have to play

> " devil's advocate " . Isn't it better to have a doctor that wants to

>ensure the seriousness of your request, rather than one who just

>sends every person that asks to a surgeon? My suggestion is to

>keep plugging away at him - if he realises how detemined you are

>you may just get the referral. Take him copies of the research you

>have done, letters from this list. Make him aware that you *know*

>the risks and are willing to accept them. If after all that he's still

>not willing to help then of course find someone who is.

>

> > unfortunatly! I have been overwieght since I was about 8 and have

> > finally come to the end of my teather! I WANT to change my life for

> > the better and just like the rest of you I do not take this surgery as

> > lightly as I may have portrayed! (sorry if I was mis understood) I

>

>I was put on my first diet at age three, so I truly understand. I was

>counting calories and logging my food input at eight. Eight was

>also the age when I was first put on amphetamines. So there is

>probably no one who understands the frustration of being

>overweight more than I do. I don't think you get to the stage of

>wanting WLS unless you *have* felt that frustration - nobody would

>do it on a whim!

>

> > have been to as many web site as the rest of you and have cringed at

> > the painfull stories about what can and may happen. believe me I have

> > probably spent about 5 hours a day for the last 2 weeks researching

> > all the sites (wordwide) so please don't think i think that this is an

>

>This is *excellent " . And talking here is the correct thing to do too.

>As long as you are aware, then there will be little to surprise you.

>

> > easy fix! cause there is no easy fix! nor may there ever be in my

> > time! I just want to start my life out the right way while I am still

> > healthy enough to recover and young enough to enjoy this time of my

> > life! why throw away all my youth????? I also know I have to change my

> > food choices and start exercising every day. I just need a hand and if

> > the band can lend me the hand then so be it!

>

>Using the band as a tool is the correct way to approach it. It is a

>tool that stops you eating too much at one sitting - but you still

>have to make the right food choices. IMHO, I wouldn't recommend

>WLS to anyone who said they couldn't possibly make good food

>choices. There is no point. As I have said before, fatty and sweet

>foods are usually the most band friendly. And it's *so* easy, when

>you've vomited up the cereal you had for breakfast and the salad

>you had for lunch, with that empty feeling in your stomach, to just

>go " oh a little ice-cream won't hurt .... I haven't really eaten all day " .

>This was the beginning of my own downfall. But if you are sure you

>can make good food choices, eat sensibly, then you will succeed.

>

>And I wish you all the best of luck!

>

>

>Regards

>

>Vicki Cleaver

>vickicleaver@...

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