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I think it depends on the intent of the activity. But I think Functional

Activity or neuro-motor re-ed is better

Jeff Wheeler PT, GCS

Tukwila, WA

Wii

For outpatient facilities that are using the Wii, how would this be coded?

Would this fall in Therapeutic Exercises?

Lee O.

Administrative Assistant

Terry Physical Therapy

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I think we tread dangerous ground here...

A fundamental reimbursement rule (from our friends at CMS) is that therapists

are paid for what they do, not for what their patients do. If a patient is

playing (or working) with a Wii, and the therapist is not working with that

patient at the time--i.e. using his or her professional skills ( " skilled care " )

to achieve a particular functional goal--then this is not PT, and not

reimbursable. If those criteria ARE being met, then the coding should be

obvious, e.g., ther ex for strengthening, or neuromotor re-education for

balance.

Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services

Laurel Health System

Wii

For outpatient facilities that are using the Wii, how would this be coded?

Would this fall in Therapeutic Exercises?

Lee O.

Administrative Assistant

Terry Physical Therapy

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I am in 100% agreement with Dave on this.

To quote the other treating PT in my clinic: " This is therapy, not

playtime. "

Each of the treatments that we perform with the Wii have a particular

functional goal in mind and is perofrmed under the direct supervision

of a licenced therapist...at least in our clinic. That therapist

monitors ROM, trunk stability, balance, etc. during each

intervention. The patient should not be left to their own devices as

an injury could occur or the specific facilitation we are going for

will not be achieved.

The Wii is a wonderful treatment tool that has afforded many of our

patients a chance to improve function and confidence in their

activities.

Case in point: Elderly female patient s/p R RTC repair (medium tear)

with PMHx of cervical and lumbar stenosis, B Total hip replacements,

R total knee replacement, and post polio. She, when appropriate, was

started on the Wii and increased shoulder flexion and abduxtion AROM

15+ degrees from the start of Wii treatment to to the end of

treatment in one visit because of PT monitoring and training...not to

mention she had a great time boxing.

With proper attention, the Wii is a tool not a baby sitter.

Lane Blondheim, PT, MT

Active Health and Rehab

Montgomery, AL

334/279-5757

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> I think we tread dangerous ground here...

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> A fundamental reimbursement rule (from our friends at CMS) is that

therapists are paid for what they do, not for what their patients do.

If a patient is playing (or working) with a Wii, and the therapist is

not working with that patient at the time--i.e. using his or her

professional skills ( " skilled care " ) to achieve a particular

functional goal--then this is not PT, and not reimbursable. If those

criteria ARE being met, then the coding should be obvious, e.g., ther

ex for strengthening, or neuromotor re-education for balance.

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> Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services

> Laurel Health System

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> For outpatient facilities that are using the Wii, how would this be

coded?

> Would this fall in Therapeutic Exercises?

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> Lee O.

> Administrative Assistant

> Terry Physical Therapy

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Great point. I think the same logic applies to any device we use in

therapy.

A few months ago, I observed a family member receiving therapy(?), for post

op back surgery. They had her in a group that was passing a ball around

with an aide leading the group. Being my typical self, I intervened in the

treatment and showed her how she needed to sit forward and use trunk

(instead of just leaning back in chair) and kicking a ball around from

person to person. I believe my point is the same as Dave’s, devices are

tools that require our unique skills to change into skilled therapy. I

love to improvise with tools and devices; just remember that billing codes

and treatment revolve around the therapist skills and treatment plan.

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Subject: RE: Wii

I think we tread dangerous ground here...

A fundamental reimbursement rule (from our friends at CMS) is that

therapists are paid for what they do, not for what their patients do. If a

patient is playing (or working) with a Wii, and the therapist is not working

with that patient at the time--i.e. using his or her professional skills

( " skilled care " ) to achieve a particular functional goal--then this is not

PT, and not reimbursable. If those criteria ARE being met, then the coding

should be obvious, e.g., ther ex for strengthening, or neuromotor

re-education for balance.

Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services

Laurel Health System

Wii

For outpatient facilities that are using the Wii, how would this be coded?

Would this fall in Therapeutic Exercises?

Lee O.

Administrative Assistant

Terry Physical Therapy

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