Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Recert question - I have been debating this with a colleague for some time and would appreciate anyone's input. I do not confidently know the answer now. I am in the outpatient setting in a direct access state. With Medicare's new recertification period of 90 days, a colleague of mine feels that if he sets a frequency of 2x a week for 4 weeks in his plan of care, he can take up to 6 weeks or 8 weeks to get in his (8 visits). My understanding is that I am limited to the total visit frequency AND the duration of my plan of care. So if a patient misses one week for example due to illness, I must establish a new plan of care when my initial POC's 4 weeks is up, even if I have only seen the patient 6 visits. Am I incorrect? Plan of care question - Are there limitations to the duration I can set a plan of care? If I get a referral from an MD for 3x/wk for 8 weeks, can I set my plan of care for 8 weeks? Is there a limitation with private insurance? Is there a limitation with Medicare? Bisesi MPT COMT Winter Haven, FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 - In brief- Under Medicare the plan of care can be no longer than 90 days but there can be considerable variability within that certified plan of care so long as you do not exceed your original length of plan ( e.g 8 weeks of 12 weeks or 12 visits total or 30 visits total). The other thing to note is that Medicare does expect to see a tapering of visits toward discharge. I would like to address the last part of your question, if I may. The referral from the physician is the entry point and a frame of reference. But it is your exam and evaluation that sets the PT plan of care which includes frequency and duration of PT intervention, NOT the physician's referral. Under Medicare the physician may chose to certify your plan for something different from what you originally recommended. In that case. if you need to go beyond what is originally certified ( after you do your eval) then you have to get additional certification, if Medicare is going to pay for it. There is great information on this on the APTA website. I have pasted a section of Medicare's Transmittal 88 below which should answer your questions. Since most/many insurance's follow Medicare guidelines, we use Medicare's framework unless we know otherwise. Of course Workers Comp and some HMOs are entirely different and you have to be vigilant for their requirements. However.... " There is no restriction on the way duration of treatment or a certification interval may be expressed. Variations may include e.g., calendar days, number of treatment sessions, or number of weeks of treatment. Contractors shall interpret the certification interval using the longest of the durations in the plan. As long as the physician approves the plan and the plan does not extend more than 90 calendar days from the first treatment day of that plan, the certification is acceptable for either the number of treatments, the number of weeks, or the number of calendar days that represent the longest interpretation of the duration of treatment. For example, if a plan is written and certified for 3x/week x 4 weeks and the patient receives treatment 3/xweek for 3 weeks but is absent the 4th week, then the planned 4th week of treatment is still certified if it is delivered later, assuming the plan remains appropriate and the treatment remains skilled and necessary. Or, under the same circumstances the plan is still certified when it includes treatment 4 times the first week and 2 times the last week. A reasonable amount of variation in the plan is acceptable. " Marcy Stalvey, PT, NCS Akron General Edwin Shaw Rehab Akron, OH 44312 >>> kbisesi@... 11/07/08 09:52AM >>> Recert question - I have been debating this with a colleague for some time and would appreciate anyone's input. I do not confidently know the answer now. I am in the outpatient setting in a direct access state. With Medicare's new recertification period of 90 days, a colleague of mine feels that if he sets a frequency of 2x a week for 4 weeks in his plan of care, he can take up to 6 weeks or 8 weeks to get in his (8 visits). My understanding is that I am limited to the total visit frequency AND the duration of my plan of care. So if a patient misses one week for example due to illness, I must establish a new plan of care when my initial POC's 4 weeks is up, even if I have only seen the patient 6 visits. Am I incorrect? Plan of care question - Are there limitations to the duration I can set a plan of care? If I get a referral from an MD for 3x/wk for 8 weeks, can I set my plan of care for 8 weeks? Is there a limitation with private insurance? Is there a limitation with Medicare? Bisesi MPT COMT Winter Haven, FL ------------------------------------ In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify yourself, your discipline and your location or else your message will not be approved to send to the full group. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA and participate now! Visit the NEW and IMPROVED www.InHomeRehab.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I would like to add one comment and that comment is most other payers besides Medicare do not require that a physician sign and date your plan of care. Most payers only require a physician referral and it is that frequency and duration on the referral that insurance companies will use upon a medical review to ensure no more visits were completed by the therapist than what the physician referred. If, on a non-Medicare patient, the therapist sends a plan of a care to the physician for his/her signature, then that signed and dated plan of care will supercede the original referral. If you think about it, a signed plan of care contains all of the required elements of a physician referral. One national payer that does require a physician sign and date your plan of care is Aetna. Rick Gawenda, PT President Section on Health Policy & Administration APTA --- Marcy Stalvey wrote: > - > In brief- > Under Medicare the plan of care can be no longer > than 90 days but there can be considerable > variability within that certified plan of care so > long as you do not exceed your original length of > plan ( e.g 8 weeks of 12 weeks or 12 visits total or > 30 visits total). The other thing to note is that > Medicare does expect to see a tapering of visits > toward discharge. > I would like to address the last part of your > question, if I may. The referral from the physician > is the entry point and a frame of reference. But it > is your exam and evaluation that sets the PT plan of > care which includes frequency and duration of PT > intervention, NOT the physician's referral. Under > Medicare the physician may chose to certify your > plan for something different from what you > originally recommended. In that case. if you need > to go beyond what is originally certified ( after > you do your eval) then you have to get additional > certification, if Medicare is going to pay for it. > > > There is great information on this on the APTA > website. I have pasted a section of Medicare's > Transmittal 88 below which should answer your > questions. > Since most/many insurance's follow Medicare > guidelines, we use Medicare's framework unless we > know otherwise. Of course Workers Comp and some > HMOs are entirely different and you have to be > vigilant for their requirements. > > > However.... > " There is no restriction on the way duration of > treatment or a certification interval may be > expressed. Variations may include e.g., calendar > days, number of treatment sessions, or number of > weeks of treatment. Contractors shall interpret the > certification interval using the longest of the > durations in the plan. As long as the physician > approves the plan and the plan does not extend more > than 90 calendar days from the first treatment day > of that plan, the certification is acceptable for > either the number of treatments, the number of > weeks, or the number of calendar days that represent > the longest interpretation of the duration of > treatment. For example, if a plan is written and > certified for 3x/week x 4 weeks and the patient > receives treatment 3/xweek for 3 weeks but is absent > the 4th week, then the planned 4th week of treatment > is still certified if it is delivered later, > assuming the plan remains appropriate and the > treatment remains skilled and necessary. Or, under > the same circumstances the plan is still certified > when it includes treatment 4 times the first week > and 2 times the last week. A reasonable amount of > variation in the plan is acceptable. " > > Marcy Stalvey, PT, NCS > Akron General Edwin Shaw Rehab > Akron, OH 44312 > > >>> kbisesi@... 11/07/08 09:52AM >>> > Recert question - I have been debating this with a > colleague for some time and would appreciate > anyone's input. I do not confidently know the answer > now. I am in the outpatient setting in a direct > access state. With Medicare's new recertification > period of 90 days, a colleague of mine feels that if > he sets a frequency of 2x a week for 4 weeks in his > plan of care, he can take up to 6 weeks or 8 weeks > to get in his (8 visits). My understanding is that I > am limited to the total visit frequency AND the > duration of my plan of care. So if a patient misses > one week for example due to illness, I must > establish a new plan of care when my initial POC's 4 > weeks is up, even if I have only seen the patient 6 > visits. Am I incorrect? > > Plan of care question - Are there limitations to the > duration I can set a plan of care? If I get a > referral from an MD for 3x/wk for 8 weeks, can I set > my plan of care for 8 weeks? Is there a limitation > with private insurance? Is there a limitation with > Medicare? > > Bisesi MPT COMT > Winter Haven, FL > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify > yourself, your discipline and your location or else > your message will not be approved to send to the > full group. > > PTManager encourages participation in your > professional association. Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA > and participate now! > > Visit the NEW and IMPROVED www.InHomeRehab.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Rick- Thanks for adding that and answering the second part of the question. Marcy Marcy Stalvey, PT, NCS Akron General Edwin Shaw Rehab Akron, OH >>> rick0905@... 11/07/08 10:57PM >>> I would like to add one comment and that comment is most other payers besides Medicare do not require that a physician sign and date your plan of care. Most payers only require a physician referral and it is that frequency and duration on the referral that insurance companies will use upon a medical review to ensure no more visits were completed by the therapist than what the physician referred. If, on a non-Medicare patient, the therapist sends a plan of a care to the physician for his/her signature, then that signed and dated plan of care will supercede the original referral. If you think about it, a signed plan of care contains all of the required elements of a physician referral. One national payer that does require a physician sign and date your plan of care is Aetna. Rick Gawenda, PT President Section on Health Policy & Administration APTA --- Marcy Stalvey wrote: > - > In brief- > Under Medicare the plan of care can be no longer > than 90 days but there can be considerable > variability within that certified plan of care so > long as you do not exceed your original length of > plan ( e.g 8 weeks of 12 weeks or 12 visits total or > 30 visits total). The other thing to note is that > Medicare does expect to see a tapering of visits > toward discharge. > I would like to address the last part of your > question, if I may. The referral from the physician > is the entry point and a frame of reference. But it > is your exam and evaluation that sets the PT plan of > care which includes frequency and duration of PT > intervention, NOT the physician's referral. Under > Medicare the physician may chose to certify your > plan for something different from what you > originally recommended. In that case. if you need > to go beyond what is originally certified ( after > you do your eval) then you have to get additional > certification, if Medicare is going to pay for it. > > > There is great information on this on the APTA > website. I have pasted a section of Medicare's > Transmittal 88 below which should answer your > questions. > Since most/many insurance's follow Medicare > guidelines, we use Medicare's framework unless we > know otherwise. Of course Workers Comp and some > HMOs are entirely different and you have to be > vigilant for their requirements. > > > However.... > " There is no restriction on the way duration of > treatment or a certification interval may be > expressed. Variations may include e.g., calendar > days, number of treatment sessions, or number of > weeks of treatment. Contractors shall interpret the > certification interval using the longest of the > durations in the plan. As long as the physician > approves the plan and the plan does not extend more > than 90 calendar days from the first treatment day > of that plan, the certification is acceptable for > either the number of treatments, the number of > weeks, or the number of calendar days that represent > the longest interpretation of the duration of > treatment. For example, if a plan is written and > certified for 3x/week x 4 weeks and the patient > receives treatment 3/xweek for 3 weeks but is absent > the 4th week, then the planned 4th week of treatment > is still certified if it is delivered later, > assuming the plan remains appropriate and the > treatment remains skilled and necessary. Or, under > the same circumstances the plan is still certified > when it includes treatment 4 times the first week > and 2 times the last week. A reasonable amount of > variation in the plan is acceptable. " > > Marcy Stalvey, PT, NCS > Akron General Edwin Shaw Rehab > Akron, OH 44312 > > >>> kbisesi@... 11/07/08 09:52AM >>> > Recert question - I have been debating this with a > colleague for some time and would appreciate > anyone's input. I do not confidently know the answer > now. I am in the outpatient setting in a direct > access state. With Medicare's new recertification > period of 90 days, a colleague of mine feels that if > he sets a frequency of 2x a week for 4 weeks in his > plan of care, he can take up to 6 weeks or 8 weeks > to get in his (8 visits). My understanding is that I > am limited to the total visit frequency AND the > duration of my plan of care. So if a patient misses > one week for example due to illness, I must > establish a new plan of care when my initial POC's 4 > weeks is up, even if I have only seen the patient 6 > visits. Am I incorrect? > > Plan of care question - Are there limitations to the > duration I can set a plan of care? If I get a > referral from an MD for 3x/wk for 8 weeks, can I set > my plan of care for 8 weeks? Is there a limitation > with private insurance? Is there a limitation with > Medicare? > > Bisesi MPT COMT > Winter Haven, FL > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > In ALL messages to PTManager you must identify > yourself, your discipline and your location or else > your message will not be approved to send to the > full group. > > PTManager encourages participation in your > professional association. Join APTA, AOTA or ASHA > and participate now! > > Visit the NEW and IMPROVED www.InHomeRehab.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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