RE: times cpt codes

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

Placing someone on equipment is NOT physical therapy unless you are

directing, monitoring or using your skill as a physical therapist in the use

there of. IN our facility it is the time the therapist actually engages the

patient that is billed. Also the question would be why is the therapist

putting the patient on equipment when they can be working directly with the

patient. Why don't they put the equipment before or after the hands on time

with the therapist?

Kunkel MSPT, MLD-CDT

times cpt codes

Group question for everyone?

I have a quesiton for everyone? how do you guys bill ther ex? does the

therapist need to be in direct (one on one) contact with the patient at all

times? By this I mean that if a patient is doing UBE for 5 minutes, Pulleys

for 5 minutes and Nustep for 5 minutes for 15 mtotal minutes does the

therapist need to right there with them at all times? If you could let me

know how everyone interprets this I would appreciate it. I know that this is

a bad example of ther ex but just wanted to make it simple. To see how

everyone else is billing this, the total time is 15 minutes but lets say

that the therapist spent 2 minutes with the patient on each piece of

equipment for a total of 6 minutes direct or one on one time. Can you bill 1

unit of ther ex? thanks for the info

Jeff Nolder, PT

CRMC

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[Guest guest]

Jeff, I am writing to further comment to 's email.

There is no CPT code for 'supervised' exercise; you can only bill for

what the therapist does with the patient, not what the patient is doing.

Anything exercise the patient does independently (with or without

supervision) is not billable as 1:1 Therapeutic Exercise.

Kimberley R. Palma

Business Manager of Operations (including Rehabilitation)

Eastern Connecticut Health Network (ECHN)

Tel: x5579

Fax:

Pager:

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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:25 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: times cpt codes

Jeff,

Placing someone on equipment is NOT physical therapy unless you are

directing, monitoring or using your skill as a physical therapist in the

use

there of. IN our facility it is the time the therapist actually engages

the

patient that is billed. Also the question would be why is the therapist

putting the patient on equipment when they can be working directly with

the

patient. Why don't they put the equipment before or after the hands on

time

with the therapist?

Kunkel MSPT, MLD-CDT

times cpt codes

Group question for everyone?

I have a quesiton for everyone? how do you guys bill ther ex? does the

therapist need to be in direct (one on one) contact with the patient at

all

times? By this I mean that if a patient is doing UBE for 5 minutes,

Pulleys

for 5 minutes and Nustep for 5 minutes for 15 mtotal minutes does the

therapist need to right there with them at all times? If you could let

me

know how everyone interprets this I would appreciate it. I know that

this is

a bad example of ther ex but just wanted to make it simple. To see how

everyone else is billing this, the total time is 15 minutes but lets say

that the therapist spent 2 minutes with the patient on each piece of

equipment for a total of 6 minutes direct or one on one time. Can you

bill 1

unit of ther ex? thanks for the info

Jeff Nolder, PT

CRMC

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