Re: Making chicken broth w/ or w/o vegetables

[Guest guest]

If she tolerates carrots, I started out with carrots cut like coins and chicken. Some people puree the carrots and add it back. Even if cooked in the soup, onions and other vegetables seemed to cause gas. If you sautee the onions and other vegetables in olive oil before adding the chicken and carrots, a lot of the gassiness seems to be gone. Do this before adding liquid also. Really though I think a lot of people eat just chicken and carrots depending on tolerance in the beginning.

Hope that helps.

Debbie, 39 crohn's

scd 12/05; restart 1/07; restart 7/7/08

Hi- I have a daughter who is everely sensitive to just about everything. the only thing she can eat right is Purlty, cod fish, lamb, french green beans (smaller are eaiser to breakdown), spiniach, and non-cruciferous greens, olive oil. Not much - but it is working.

In the past I make her organic chickens in the crockpot and reserve broth. I have thrown in onion and celery- but removed them when straining broth. Recenlty I did not have either so we went with the broth w/o added " flavoring " Anyway- just made a batch that had

onions and celery. I am wondering if the onions and celery (though removed) could reult in an increase in gas. My daughter is nearly 6 and we just achieved 27lbs. I blenderize her food to be given via a feeding tube. She is non-verbal but

somunicates w/ a yes/no board. Your insigths have been helpful as I assess what seems to bother Kyli-I find validation in what you all are experienceing. I also have troubles but not to the xtreme she does.

Kyli does not officially have celiac- but has severe intolerances of all straches/carbs etc. We figured this out slowly w/ the elp of a fabulous applied kinnesiologist and then I found out about SCD. Turns out we were already doing SCD for the most part but at least we

became validated. GI reports show esophigitis, gastristis-- which s tands to reason colitis too- but she is only 6 and has been hospitalized so much for other reaspons these last few months- so a lower GI scope was not done. Had a metametrix test and all and

bacteria was normal- but we have been on the diet for a while. I would really like to know if some of you could not tolerate broth w/ added vegetables and if it increased bloating/gas etc...... Kyli seems to be having lots of trouble right now and that is the ony

thing I can think of. Would so appreicate your urgent feedback

[Guest guest]

I have great difficulty tolerating the standard vegetables you cook

for soup stock -- carrots, celery, onions. I never put the same

vegetables back in the stock/broth when I make soup. I only keep the

liquid and any meat bits to use as broth or as a stock for soup.

As a matter of fact, I've had to stop having broth or soup made from

various stocks more than once a week. I don't know what I'll do if I

have a severe symptom flare and need to go on clear liquids...

I did a lot of testing to figure out which one caused the problem,

only to discover that all of them cause problems. Even broth made

with just water and meat bones, as tasteless as it is, causes

problems, but then I have upper GI dysfunctions that don't tolerate

fats.

I find celery and onions to be the most difficult vegetables, causing

a lot of bloating and gassiness and severe indigestion. I never eat

celery in other dishes (fiber content) and only can handle a bit of

cooked onion once a week or so. Carrots cause problems for other

reasons; I've developed a sensitivity to beta carotene since being on

SCD, so I only have a bit once a week, cooked with other vegetables.

All you can do is test the vegetables you're using when making soup

stock. See if leaving one of them out makes a difference. Or your

daughter may not be able to tolerate the fat content in meat soups,

as I do. You could also try making an all-vegetable soup.

I find it odd that soup and broth upsets my body so much. I can't

figure out exactly why -- I just figure out ways around the problem

by experimenting.

Kim M.

SCD 5 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, GP, IBS-C 5+ years

neurological deterioration 2+ years

>

> Hi- I have a daughter who is everely sensitive to just about

> everything. the only thing she can eat right is Purlty, cod fish,

> lamb, french green beans (smaller are eaiser to breakdown),

spiniach,

> and non-cruciferous greens, olive oil. Not much - but it is

working.

>

> In the past I make her organic chickens in the crockpot and reserve

> broth. I have thrown in onion and celery- but removed them when

> straining broth. Recenlty I did not have either so we went with

the

> broth w/o added " flavoring " Anyway- just made a batch that had

> onions and celery. I am wondering if the onions and celery (though

> removed) could reult in an increase in gas.

>

> My daughter is nearly 6 and we just achieved 27lbs. I blenderize

her

> food to be given via a feeding tube. She is non-verbal but

> somunicates w/ a yes/no board.

>

> Your insigths have been helpful as I assess what seems to bother

Kyli-

> I find validation in what you all are experienceing. I also have

> troubles but not to the xtreme she does.

>

> Kyli does not officially have celiac- but has severe intolerances

of

> all straches/carbs etc. We figured this out slowly w/ the elp of a

> fabulous applied kinnesiologist and then I found out about SCD.

> Turns out we were already doing SCD for the most part but at least

we

> became validated. GI reports show esophigitis, gastristis-- which

s

> tands to reason colitis too- but she is only 6 and has been

> hospitalized so much for other reaspons these last few months- so a

> lower GI scope was not done. Had a metametrix test and all and

> bacteria was normal- but we have been on the diet for a while.

>

> I would really like to know if some of you could not tolerate broth

> w/ added vegetables and if it increased bloating/gas etc......

Kyli

> seems to be having lots of trouble right now and that is the ony

> thing I can think of. Would so appreicate your urgent feedback

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

I made chicken stock to freeze with a whole chicken, filtered water and two bay leaves. It turned out fine--not like real stock but since I cook other veggies in the frozen stock, it'll give some flavor without bothering me. Just thought I'd pass that on. I can't remember if I added a cap of apple cider vinegar--probably so. I'm not sure if that works on whole chickens but I do it anyway.

Debbie 39 crohn's

I have great difficulty tolerating the standard vegetables you cook for soup stock -- carrots, celery, onions. I never put the same vegetables back in the stock/broth when I make soup. I only keep the liquid and any meat bits to use as broth or as a stock for soup.

As a matter of fact, I've had to stop having broth or soup made from various stocks more than once a week. I don't know what I'll do if I have a severe symptom flare and need to go on clear liquids...

I did a lot of testing to figure out which one caused the problem, only to discover that all of them cause problems. Even broth made with just water and meat bones, as tasteless as it is, causes problems, but then I have upper GI dysfunctions that don't tolerate

fats.I find celery and onions to be the most difficult vegetables, causing a lot of bloating and gassiness and severe indigestion. I never eat celery in other dishes (fiber content) and only can handle a bit of

cooked onion once a week or so. Carrots cause problems for other reasons; I've developed a sensitivity to beta carotene since being on SCD, so I only have a bit once a week, cooked with other vegetables.

All you can do is test the vegetables you're using when making soup stock. See if leaving one of them out makes a difference. Or your daughter may not be able to tolerate the fat content in meat soups, as I do. You could also try making an all-vegetable soup.

I find it odd that soup and broth upsets my body so much. I can't figure out exactly why -- I just figure out ways around the problem by experimenting. Kim M.SCD 5 yearsSphincter of Oddi dysfunction, GP, IBS-C 5+ years

neurological deterioration 2+ years>> Hi- I have a daughter who is everely sensitive to just about > everything. the only thing she can eat right is Purlty, cod fish, > lamb, french green beans (smaller are eaiser to breakdown),

spiniach, > and non-cruciferous greens, olive oil. Not much - but it is working.> > In the past I make her organic chickens in the crockpot and reserve > broth. I have thrown in onion and celery- but removed them when

> straining broth. Recenlty I did not have either so we went with the > broth w/o added " flavoring " Anyway- just made a batch that had > onions and celery. I am wondering if the onions and celery (though

> removed) could reult in an increase in gas. > > My daughter is nearly 6 and we just achieved 27lbs. I blenderize her > food to be given via a feeding tube. She is non-verbal but > somunicates w/ a yes/no board.

> > Your insigths have been helpful as I assess what seems to bother Kyli-> I find validation in what you all are experienceing. I also have > troubles but not to the xtreme she does. >

> Kyli does not officially have celiac- but has severe intolerances of > all straches/carbs etc. We figured this out slowly w/ the elp of a > fabulous applied kinnesiologist and then I found out about SCD.

> Turns out we were already doing SCD for the most part but at least we > became validated. GI reports show esophigitis, gastristis-- which s > tands to reason colitis too- but she is only 6 and has been

> hospitalized so much for other reaspons these last few months- so a > lower GI scope was not done. Had a metametrix test and all and > bacteria was normal- but we have been on the diet for a while.

> > I would really like to know if some of you could not tolerate broth > w/ added vegetables and if it increased bloating/gas etc...... Kyli > seems to be having lots of trouble right now and that is the ony

> thing I can think of. Would so appreicate your urgent feedback>

[Guest guest]

Kim & Debbie- -

Thank you for validating me. It would be wonderful if we cold better

understand WHY these things are problems-- but mostly I am just glad

I understandthat just having the veggies in the broth

may " contaminate " the broth for Kyli. It is so strange- but I have

to go w/ what I see. I know that GAS is the most distressing to Kyli-

the most painful. So I have to help reduce antyhing that can cause

gas. Kyli cna not tolerate anything ORANge in color. Before I

found the SCD- we had worked w/ an AK (applied kinnesiology) on LI

and we had already figured out which things to avoid. Then the book

came along and further helped me understand WHY. It was a fluke that

I made broth recently w/o onions and only returned to it, and when

doing so it appeared to be a problem. Sure it was bothering her

before but I never made the connection.

I can not tell you the relief I feel knowing that there is an

explanation for our recent setback. You are both God sends at the

moment! Thank you for sharing. My husband is out buying chicken

right now so I can make it ASAP w/o the onions. Kyli is so limitted

in what she can have i must have it in our rotation. I wil save the

other stuff for a soup for him and I.

[Guest guest]

At 02:34 PM 7/9/2008, you wrote:

Even broth made with just water

and meat bones, as tasteless as it is, causes problems, but then I have

upper GI dysfunctions that don't tolerate fats.

Kim,

Didn't you say that you have trouble with vitamin and mineral

supplements? Bone broth is a very rich source of natural minerals, and

although it's much better than a supplement, you might need to limit how

much of it you have, or dilute it the same way we do fruit

juices.

You might look at meats like buffalo and ostrich, which are very low in

natural fats, and consider using something like that for meat-only broths

of you need clear liquids.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Does ostrich and buffalo meat taste very gamey?

I might do this since this might totally work for me. Although,

lately I cannot eat any -gamey- meat whatsoever (lamb/goat used to be

my favorite thing)

Jodi

SCD 9 months

Crohn's/Colitis

> You might look at meats like buffalo and ostrich,

> which are very low in natural fats, and consider

> using something like that for meat-only broths of you need clear

liquids.

[Guest guest]

At 03:42 PM 7/10/2008, you wrote:

Does ostrich and buffalo meat

taste very gamey? I might do this since this might totally work for me.

Although, lately I cannot eat any -gamey- meat whatsoever (lamb/goat used

to be my favorite thing)

Grass-fed meat does taste different from commercial feed-lot meat.

Better, in my opinion. I don't think of it as gamey -- not like mutton,

or venison. But then, I don't have your tastebuds!

The bison/buffalo tastes very much like beef to me, only it has a rich

flavor without the fat that you so often find in ground meat. I also have

bought bison London broil top round and thrown it on the grill like a

steak... YUMMY!

I honest-to-ghu wasn't sure what to expect of the ostrich. It's a red

meat, not like chicken or turkey or duck, and in fact, I cooked it medium

rare on the suggestion of the lady at Blackwing Meats. It tasted like a

high quality veal -- lighter in taste and texture than beef, but with

some of the same characteristics.

Both bison and ostrich are VERY filling. Small amounts fill me right

up... possibly because they are so nutritious.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will try this and look for a grass fed

source!

Jodi

SCD 9 months

Crohn's/Colitis

> >Does ostrich and buffalo meat taste very gamey?

> >I might do this since this might totally work

> >for me. Although, lately I cannot eat any

> >-gamey- meat whatsoever (lamb/goat used to be my favorite thing)

>

> Grass-fed meat does taste different from

> commercial feed-lot meat. Better, in my opinion.

> I don't think of it as gamey -- not like mutton,

> or venison. But then, I don't have your tastebuds!