Hi

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Hi ~

I hope I can help, I'm just a dabbler in M & P but I've seen postings for

insurance on other lists. Here's the address to RLI, I've heard they

have reasonable rates for crafters, I'll have to look up the URL.

RLI Ins. Co.

9025 N. Lindbergh Dr.

Peoria, IL 61615

Here's a copy on one post on the Toiletries list:

For residents of Washington, Oregon & California, here is the name of

someone who can help you. He's terrific. Vern Cohrs of Vic's Insurance.

His Fax# is ; his phone is .

He found me a policy with one million liability coverage, for

$285.00/year....you can pay two months up front to get things started.

For residents of other States, I just keep hearing about RLI, although I

had no luck with them, personally.

~Maureen Wood

Strawberry Island Design

**Please mention my name....Vern will know exactly which policy you're

referring to.

As for the white spots, I think that may be any oils that you've added

for moisturizing. I don't know how to fix that, I was going to write

with the same question!

Stacey

Wynter Moon Herbal Pillows

Never tested on animals, they kept eating the stuffing...

http://members.tripod.com/wyntermoon/

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Hi ~

I hope I can help, I'm just a dabbler in M & P but I've seen postings for

insurance on other lists. Here's the address to RLI, I've heard they

have reasonable rates for crafters, I'll have to look up the URL.

RLI Ins. Co.

9025 N. Lindbergh Dr.

Peoria, IL 61615

Here's a copy on one post on the Toiletries list:

For residents of Washington, Oregon & California, here is the name of

someone who can help you. He's terrific. Vern Cohrs of Vic's Insurance.

His Fax# is ; his phone is .

He found me a policy with one million liability coverage, for

$285.00/year....you can pay two months up front to get things started.

For residents of other States, I just keep hearing about RLI, although I

had no luck with them, personally.

~Maureen Wood

Strawberry Island Design

**Please mention my name....Vern will know exactly which policy you're

referring to.

As for the white spots, I think that may be any oils that you've added

for moisturizing. I don't know how to fix that, I was going to write

with the same question!

Stacey

Wynter Moon Herbal Pillows

Never tested on animals, they kept eating the stuffing...

http://members.tripod.com/wyntermoon/

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Hi ! Welcome to our list! Glad to have you!

I can't help you with the M & P questions ~ I'm a CP'er myself. Can someone

else? Gang?

As for insurance, well, shoot. I can't help with that either! *L* I just

started my business and will start looking myself! Can anyone help

and I?

~

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AUDREY!! I'm so very happy to hear from you!! I've been wondering,

worrying and praying that all was OK and that you were healing. *happy

sigh*

And, yes, sweetie. I did get the beeswax. You are an absolute doll for

sending it - and so quickly, too! You have the best beeswax, I think. So

nicely scented. Did I ever tell you that I sell a lot of unscented lotion

bars with your beeswax in there? People say that it really isn't unscented,

it's honey! =o)

I'm so glad you're Ok and that you're back. =o)

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Thank you for your prayers!!!!!!! So far, I can definitly say---It was well

worth it!!!!!!! Thank you for the compliments on the beeswax-----I have to

say--it is some great stuff!!!! BTW--will be sending you a small

package---soon-----surprise-surprise-surprise

Audrey

Re: [soapmaking101] HI

AUDREY!! I'm so very happy to hear from you!! I've been wondering,

worrying and praying that all was OK and that you were healing. *happy

sigh*

And, yes, sweetie. I did get the beeswax. You are an absolute doll for

sending it - and so quickly, too! You have the best beeswax, I think. So

nicely scented. Did I ever tell you that I sell a lot of unscented lotion

bars with your beeswax in there? People say that it really isn't unscented,

it's honey! =o)

I'm so glad you're Ok and that you're back. =o)

~

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your prayers!!!!!!! So far, I can definitly say---It was well

worth it!!!!!!! Thank you for the compliments on the beeswax-----I have to

say--it is some great stuff!!!! BTW--will be sending you a small

package---soon-----surprise-surprise-surprise

Audrey

Re: [soapmaking101] HI

AUDREY!! I'm so very happy to hear from you!! I've been wondering,

worrying and praying that all was OK and that you were healing. *happy

sigh*

And, yes, sweetie. I did get the beeswax. You are an absolute doll for

sending it - and so quickly, too! You have the best beeswax, I think. So

nicely scented. Did I ever tell you that I sell a lot of unscented lotion

bars with your beeswax in there? People say that it really isn't unscented,

it's honey! =o)

I'm so glad you're Ok and that you're back. =o)

~

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[Guest guest]

.. Take care of yourself

> and DON'T do anything the doctor tells you not to do. Prayers and

thoughts

> are with you.

> Miriam

>

Hey Miriam:

How's the co-op going??

larrae

[Guest guest]

Thank you, and I definitly won't be doing anything DR tells me not to!!!!!!

You know, the hardest thing I have found it not looking up!!!!! Do you know

how many things are above your head:-)) Alot more than usual seems like,

when you can't look up!! (grin)

Re: [soapmaking101] HI

From: CofWyoming@...

Audrey,

I hope you're feeling better. Surgery is soooooooo painful. Three

months seems like a long time, but it will go fast. Take care of yourself

and DON'T do anything the doctor tells you not to do. Prayers and thoughts

are with you.

Miriam

[Guest guest]

Thank you, and I definitly won't be doing anything DR tells me not to!!!!!!

You know, the hardest thing I have found it not looking up!!!!! Do you know

how many things are above your head:-)) Alot more than usual seems like,

when you can't look up!! (grin)

Re: [soapmaking101] HI

From: CofWyoming@...

Audrey,

I hope you're feeling better. Surgery is soooooooo painful. Three

months seems like a long time, but it will go fast. Take care of yourself

and DON'T do anything the doctor tells you not to do. Prayers and thoughts

are with you.

Miriam

[Guest guest]

I'm Terri and I was just dx'd with type 2 this past week. I'm so

confused on everything!! I've been put on a max of 50 grams of carbo

a meal and a little more 1,200 calories a day. I bought a carb book

but it has only confused me more,when it comes to meat(beef mostly)

what is better?? Are grilled hamburgers o.k.???

I just seemed so depressing going to the grocery store today,it seems

so many more no's the yes's out there.

Any wisdom anyone has would be great to hear.

Oh,for now its diet and exercise to try and control my BG. Thanks

Terri

[Guest guest]

i'm on 60 gm of carbs a meal. i do find that i do better when i cut that in

half, but the dietitian had reasons (and for the life of me, i can't tell

you), which is why i said i will probably flunk and repeat. pat

> 50 grams of carbs per meal sounds like a lot even to me, and I'm more of a

> moderate carb person. Personally I have learned in my short time of

> dealing with T2 that I can eat most anything in very small portions, but I

> have

[Guest guest]

well, that's my confusion, too. the doctor told me (i swear he did) to cut

down the protein, because i was gaining. i'm almost sure the dietitian said

that the meat and vegies were fine, and that things that didn't have carbs

did not need to be counted, but that does not make sense, because if i ate

3-4 large steaks every meal, i would be 500 pounds. so, i'm with you, i

need to get back to the gal, and probably start all over again, and just try

to blot out all the stuff i've put there mistakenly.

and i think i need to take notes on that much better than i did. pat

> my BG after 2hrs was 120 so I didn't

> think that was too bad. Does cutting back on the meat have to do with

> weight loss or the diabtes?? I think that is were my confusion has

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Terri, welcome to the list, sorry you had to join us but you'll get good

advice here.

I understand your confusion. Diabetes is a very complex disease and there's a

lot to learn and at the beginning it can be overwhelming.

I'd suggest you check out the links at the bottom of the page called

" Bookmarks for Newbies. " IMHO, the absolutely best book you can read right

now is the Gretchen Becker book. The exact title (it's long and I don't

remember it right offhand) is in the

Books for Newbies section. It's specifically written for newly diagnosed type

2s.

Yes, of course you can eat hamburger. Meats, chicken, fish -- all of these

are virtually carbless. What you want to stay away from are any products

made with grains -- breads, cereals, pasta, and of course cakes, cookies, and

sweets. Rice will also raise your BGs, as will potatos.

Here's a list of veggies you can eat without problems:

spinach

cauliflower

broccoli

summer squash (zucchini, crookneck)

spaghetti squash

mushrooms

asparagus

greenbeans

cabbage

sauerkraut

avocados

lots of salad!

Good luck. Ask any questions -- we're here to share our experience. Vicki

In a message dated 08/04/2002 5:43:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

lupy2@... writes:

> I'm Terri and I was just dx'd with type 2 this past week. I'm so

> confused on everything!! I've been put on a max of 50 grams of carbo

> a meal and a little more 1,200 calories a day. I bought a carb book

> but it has only confused me more,when it comes to meat(beef mostly)

> what is better?? Are grilled hamburgers o.k.???

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yes... I forgot the MOST IMPORTANT piece of advice -- lots of testing!

Test before each meal...test one hour after and two hours after. Also test

before and after exercise (you are exercising, aren't you??) ...and test when

you get up in the morning - even before you get out of bed -- and before you

go to sleep. And write everything down. This is a lot of testing but it

will give you good information, i.e. how different foods affect your body.

Some diabetics can eat more carbs than others with no ill effect but the only

way you know is by testing. So get a good meter and make friends with it and

use it a lot. Vicki

In a message dated 08/04/2002 5:43:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

lupy2@... writes:

>

> I'm Terri and I was just dx'd with type 2 this past week. I'm so

> confused on everything!! I've been put on a max of 50 grams of carbo

> a meal and a little more 1,200 calories a day. I bought a carb book

> but it has only confused me more,when it comes to meat(beef mostly)

> what is better?? Are grilled hamburgers o.k.???

[Guest guest]

One ounce seems pretty stringent...it's only a bite or two. I think this must

have more to do with weight loss than diabetes, Terri.

However, if you decide to cut down your carbs you can eat more normal

portions and still lose weight. Trust me.

Vicki

In a message dated 08/04/2002 6:49:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

lupy2@... writes:

> On the one

> list I was given it said 1 once,I cut the steak I had tonight in

> half,weighted it and it was still like 3oz.

[Guest guest]

I think so too, Pat, smile. Vicki

In a message dated 08/04/2002 7:00:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

JusMakeLemonade@... writes:

> and i think i need to take notes on that much better than i did. pat

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri! I'm Kim and I was diagnosed with Type II a little over a month ago.

I'm on a 1500 calorie a day meal plan and I'm allowed 7 servings of carbs a day,

but I don't eat all of them. You will find some great support on this list and

a lot of different opinions, but everyone will agree that you have to find out

what works for you and test, test, test. There's a great book out there

called " Type II Diabetes: The First Year " (or something like that) that is an

excellent resource.

Although some here are on very-low and almost-no carb meal plans, probably the

best thing to do (in my never-to-be-humble opinion) is to start with the plan

you were given and see how it works for you. 50 grams of carbs per meal sounds

like a lot even to me, and I'm more of a moderate carb person. Personally I

have learned in my short time of dealing with T2 that I can eat most anything in

very small portions, but I have to work it into my meal plan by either leaving

something else out or exercising more to burn off the extra carbs. So try not

to look at the food world in terms or yesses or nos or you'll go nuts thinking

about everything you can't eat anymore. If I know I can have some if I want it

badly enough, I'm fine.

Having said that, I will say that once I got past the first few days of

restricted carbs, I felt much better and the cravings for the " bad " stuff were

much less. The first few days I felt terrible!

Do you know what your test results were that caused your diagnosis? My HbA1c

was 7.1. I'm due for a repeat test in September and I'm hoping for something in

the 6's and maybe even a high 5 (but I doubt it). I lost 10 pounds very quickly

after my diagnosis but I still need to lose about 50 or more pounds.

Welcome!

Kim

Kimmee@...

~~~~It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got~~~~

-Sheryl Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,I go tomorrow for more blood work,the doctor hadn't put in the

order(who knows why)for a full work up. Not sure when I will get the

results back,I go back to the diabetic person(not sure what her title

is)the first week of Sept. I did buy the book you mentioned,I just

need to really start reading it!! I must be going through " junk food

withdrawl " lol,I miss my chips and dip!! Thanks for the welcome!! Terri

-- In diabetes_int@y..., " Kim Adam " <Kimmee@k...> wrote:

> Hi Terri! I'm Kim and I was diagnosed with Type II a little over a

month ago.

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I think its having to count everything that has confused

me,now a days it doesn't take much to do that either,LOL! Now I love

steak and plain old chicken,but I'm confused on how much. On the one

list I was given it said 1 once,I cut the steak I had tonight in

half,weighted it and it was still like 3oz. Well I cheated and ate it

anyways,I didn't have lunch so...my BG after 2hrs was 120 so I didn't

think that was too bad. Does cutting back on the meat have to do with

weight loss or the diabtes?? I think that is were my confusion has

come in. I will have to give the dietitian( I think that is who she

was)that I saw last week and ask more questions and take notes!!

Thanks for the welcome. Terri

-- In diabetes_int@y..., JusMakeLemonade@a... wrote:

> Terri. Join the club (and welcome and condolences). I just

started going

> to a dietitian, and on pretty much the same as you.

[Guest guest]

JusMakeLemonade@... wrote:

>

> i'm on 60 gm of carbs a meal. i do find that i do better when i cut that in

> half, but the dietitian had reasons (and for the life of me, i can't tell

> you), which is why i said i will probably flunk and repeat. pat

Pat,

Just so you know, each gram of carbs you eat can raise your bg from 3

to 5mg/dl. So, that 60g of carbs you eat at a meal can cause a 180 to

300 point rise in bg levels that your body has to deal with. Since you

are diabetic, your body is not able to deal with high blood sugar

levels.

The question to ask the dietitian is " Since I am trying to keep my bg

level down, why are you forcing me to eat so many carbs that will

drive it up? " .

With diabetes, carbs are the problem and yet patients such as yourself

are still being prescribed these high levels in their diets. Doesn't

make sense to me at all.

I have been low-carbing now for 4 1/2 years and am able to control my

bg's in the " normal " range (70-110mg/dl and HbA1c <6.0%) with diet and

" not enough exercise " .

Diabetes is one of the few conditions that the patient really can do

something about (and must). You must do the research and find what

works for your body to control your bg levels. Do not take what you

learned in the " class " as gospel. Check it out for yourself. I know

its a pain, but it is worth the effort.

, Average bg 100, HbA1c 5.6%, tweeked " Bernstein " diet plan

Oregon

[Guest guest]

For many of us

on this list, that's too many.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

It sure as heck is for me. . 50 per DAY is more than I can handle.

Art

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Art Mc

moseart@...

" A person who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world "

[Guest guest]

please tell me what

> lipids and Bg's are? Maybe suggest a few snack

> ideas for me, and any

> comments or suggestions would be very much

> appreciated. Thank you so

> much in advance!!!

>

>

Hi ,

Bet you have lots of good ideas already from this

group. There are a lot of smart people in it. Well,

I might as well put in my 2 cents worth. I have been

struggling with diabetes for 25 years and have had

some ups and downs too...(physically and mentally).

I am sure you've had explanations of what lipids and

bg are so won't start there.

Even the ins and outs of knowing how to use this group

are a challenge!!!. I just want to say that You

, are doing well to ask questions and

listening. I am trying not to repeat what you have

already heard, . Count on your friends here to help

figure things out.

One thing that has helped me is to eat only half of

serving of whatever!! you are served. Sounds

wasteful, but it really helps and THAT IS WHAT IS

IMPORTANT.

Good luck, Will be watching to see how you do. God

bless. Fran

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

One thing that has helped me is to eat only half of

serving of whatever!! you are served. Sounds

wasteful, but it really helps and THAT IS WHAT IS

IMPORTANT.

Fran,

I like to think of it this way... if I'm putting it in myself, and I don't

need it, it would be better off in the fridge or the garbage disposal.

Sandy H.

[Guest guest]

>

> One thing that has helped me is to eat only half of

> serving of whatever!! you are served. Sounds

> wasteful, but it really helps and THAT IS WHAT IS

> IMPORTANT.

Here's what I do when I eat out at a restaurant: I look at the total

meal and decide how much of each item I should have. Then I

physically separate those portions from the rest, and slide the rest

to the side of the plate out of the way. Then I slowly enjoy the

appropriate portions. In this way, I can work in small amounts of

foods I really love and miss, like mashed potatoes. I can eat 1/2

cup of them with no problem, but might be tempted to eat " just one

more bite " if I didn't divide them ahead of time. Sometimes, if I

tell the waiter that I'm diabetic and restricted regarding starches,

he or she will arrange for a little larger portion of green

vegetables and a smaller portion of starch to begin with, or will

allow me to make a substitution of another vegetable in place of the

rice or potatoes served with most meals. I use this same method with

the meats - I approximate 4 ounces or whatever, cut it off and set

the rest aside before I take a bite. I find that restaurants usually

serve way too much of everything except vegetables, so this helps

manage the portion sizes into a better balance.

Regarding the leftovers, I either leave them behind or bring back a

doggy bag, literally to give to the office mascot, an ancient golden

retriever who does not have a weight problem, LOL!

Christy

[Guest guest]

I can work in small amounts of

foods I really love and miss, like mashed potatoes. I can eat 1/2

cup of them with no problem, but might be tempted to eat " just one

more bite " if I didn't divide them ahead of time.

That's good thinking, Christy :-) I couldn't even tolerate a half cup,

though... I've tried measuring out 1/2 cup at home, and it does bad things

to my blood sugar. I don't really miss them that much. I do miss bread...

crusty Italian bread, dipped in olive oil, but even if I could tolerate a

small amount, I'm not sure I'd stop with one piece.... before I knew it, I'd

have eaten several pieces. I usually just ask the waitress to put the

basket of bread across the table -- by my husband. Sometimes, he'll say he

doesn't want the bread either. What a guy!

Sandy