Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 No ideas here, just a huge AAAARRRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! that's outrageous!!!!!!!! I'm sure you will get more constructive answers than mine, but i feel your frustration! LuAnn Outrageous-School >Does anyone have any idea's on how to fight a school refusal of tennis balls >on the chair legs in the lunch room cafeteria? Our daughter's principal >won't let us put it on the IEP. Reason he's sitting is a health concern for >food particulars, cleanliness & it's also been questioned if it's part of >FAPE. " Appropriate & Educational. " Our daughter is a Ci user & oral. > >I know the practice of tennis ball to cut the noise down for hearing >impaired students is very common, but I guess our school doesn't see it that >way. > >Angie > > >All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 > Our daughter's principal > won't let us put it on the IEP. Ask for Prior Written Notice. Visit this page for more info: http://www.listen-up.org/rights/advocate.htm This is a statement where they have to put into writing why it was not approved to be in the IEP, and what alternatives were looked at (my guess is none). > it's also been questioned if it's part of > FAPE. " Appropriate & Educational. " I've observed a couple young kids who wear hearing aids in lunchrooms. Both of them (one of them my son) cried every day during lunch with their hands over their ears. For one of the kids, the schools answer was to turn her hearing aids off. For us, as soon as my son was finished eating, I would take him out into the hallway and we'd sit and talk about stuff out there. When I wasn't there, my son would wolf down his food and go outside the first chance he got (still does this). Lunchroom acoutstics are generally very difficult to get modified. I have to wonder if the principal realizes tennis balls are a no-cost solution to the problem. Many university tennis programs will be more than happy to donate their dead tennis balls for this cause. Same with many tennis clubs. Sure beats the high cost of alternative means. Of course, one alternative is to allow your daughter, and perhaps one or two other classmates to have lunch in a classroom. Do noisy lunchrooms affect education? I would think so. After being overstimulated by sound for over an hour, or driven to the point of tears, of course this is going to affect the child when they get back into the classroom. I would ask your teacher if she notices a difference in your daughter after lunch, compared to before lunch. Of course, with the high noise levels, your daughter is missing out on a lot of social skills she could be learning by listing to conversations near and around her, not to mention friend-making opportunities, or even time to reflect on the mornings activities and digest what has gone on so far during the school day. Hugs, Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 How many kids in the school? Are there any safety issues connected with the tennis balls? How many chairs in the cafeteria? Could the kids take the balls off and throw them around the room? I think the cutting up of tennis balls for any educational classroom is common - my daughter's regular ed classroom has this - and I wish you good luck, but I have NEVER heard of a cafeteria getting balls on the legs OF THE TABLES (sorry for the all caps) .... also there would still be tons of peripheral noise during lunch...I don't know how that would be limited. Who is supposed to actually cut the balls and put them on the chairs? >From: " Angie King " Our daughter's principal >won't let us put it on the IEP. Reason he's sitting is a health concern for >food particulars, cleanliness & it's also been questioned if it's part of >FAPE. " Appropriate & Educational. " Our daughter is a Ci user & oral. > >I know the practice of tennis ball to cut the noise down for hearing >impaired students is very common, but I guess our school doesn't see it >that way. > >Angie > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Do NOT say " speak to my attorney " unless you have one. They'll call your bluff blair harty wrote: > > Try one of my favorite lines, " Speak to my attorney! " . > No school system wants the possibility of a lawsuit. > Also, use good buzz words, such as " my son needs to be > immersed in speech and language and in the lunch room > he is not able to hear. This means he cannot > communicate with the other students. He has the right > to be able to socialize with his peers. " Also, say > that the school is " not meeting his needs " . > > --- Angie King wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea's on how to fight a school > > refusal of tennis balls > > on the chair legs in the lunch room cafeteria? Our > > daughter's principal > > won't let us put it on the IEP. Reason he's sitting > > is a health concern for > > food particulars, cleanliness & it's also been > > questioned if it's part of > > FAPE. " Appropriate & Educational. " Our daughter is > > a Ci user & oral. > > > > I know the practice of tennis ball to cut the noise > > down for hearing > > impaired students is very common, but I guess our > > school doesn't see it that > > way. > > > > Angie > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 For some reason my original reply did not make it to the list. Who is supposed to be cutting the balls and putting them on the feet of the chairs? Is this something the school janitor is supposed to do? Or, will the family go and fit the balls on every chair in the cafeteria? Everything, really is a learning experience, and out in the real world, there will never be an elimination of background noise. Even though Blair makes this statement: " " my son needs to be > > immersed in speech and language and in the lunch room > > he is not able to hear. This means he cannot > > communicate with the other students. He has the right > > to be able to socialize with his peers. " has it been considered that the lunch room is a constant roar and moving chairs back and forth is only a small part of the noise level?How would one propose to quiet the other students in the lunch room, along with all the peripheral noises? (Clattering spoons, lunch trays, etc). The only way I see any success is if your child is in an A/V or oral school. (By the way, having worked in several school cafeterias over the years, both behind the counter and bussing/cleaning tables, lots of yuck gets dropped on the chair legs ... if not wiped will turn moldy and mildewy and then you're looking at allergies, extra manpower to clean etc.) I know I am playing the devil's advocate, but these are probably thoughts the principal is having. mary > >Reply-To: Listen-Up >To: Listen-Up >Subject: Re: Outrageous-School >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:16:50 -0400 > >Do NOT say " speak to my attorney " unless you have one. They'll call >your bluff > > >blair harty wrote: > > > > Try one of my favorite lines, " Speak to my attorney! " . > > No school system wants the possibility of a lawsuit. > > Also, use good buzz words, such as " my son needs to be > > immersed in speech and language and in the lunch room > > he is not able to hear. This means he cannot > > communicate with the other students. He has the right > > to be able to socialize with his peers. " Also, say > > that the school is " not meeting his needs " . > > > > --- Angie King wrote: > > > Does anyone have any idea's on how to fight a school > > > refusal of tennis balls > > > on the chair legs in the lunch room cafeteria? Our > > > daughter's principal > > > won't let us put it on the IEP. Reason he's sitting > > > is a health concern for > > > food particulars, cleanliness & it's also been > > > questioned if it's part of > > > FAPE. " Appropriate & Educational. " Our daughter is > > > a Ci user & oral. > > > > > > I know the practice of tennis ball to cut the noise > > > down for hearing > > > impaired students is very common, but I guess our > > > school doesn't see it that > > > way. > > > > > > Angie > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 --- " E. Mapa " wrote: >HI everyone, I need so much advice.First I live in Chicago.My daughters 8 with a implant.She has about a one year olds speech she signs.She has been in a reg. classroom foe 3 years with the help of a interpeter.This year the iterent was hired to team teach in her room.I had the asumption mostly for my daughter.Well I have had many school visits and phone conversations with both teachers.This Feb. they told me they were going to visit the hearing impaired school I am like for what?Well we are not going to recommend her to be in the 3rd grade next year.She has not been doing well she is not socializing.I was taken back so far.I was so stunned.How could this happen with out you ever telling me she is having problems.All of a sudden in Jan. she did not want to go to school.The 2 teachers said we are making it hard on her to use her voice and sign.I am like what happened to Sept.through Dec. she could do what ever.Then I find out they have been meetings about this and the special ed. cordinater has been told some time ago.I cannot express how angry I am.I have gotten no notes no phone calls no extra papers nothing.I feel I was stabbed in the back and they set up her up to fail and be fustrated.They also told me bring who ever you can to the IEP on April 26th.Ther is so much more to say but right now who can give me advice on this problem.She is not going to that school we started there when she was 4 and 5.And that is another bad story.Do I get a Lawyer?Thanks Nikki > > > > > > > > > > o > > r 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Nikki, I will email you privately.....hang in there. It will work out! DanaB >Well we are not going to recommend her to be in > the 3rd grade next year.She has not been doing well > she is not socializing.I was taken back so far. Then I find out they have been > meetings about this and the special ed. cordinater has > been told some time ago.I cannot express how angry I > am.I have gotten no notes no phone calls no extra > papers nothing. >They also told me bring who ever you can to the IEP on April > 26th.Ther is so much more to say but right now who can > give me advice on this problem.She is not going to > that school we started there when she was 4 and 5.And > that is another bad story.Do I get a Lawyer?Thanks > Nikki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o > > > > > > r > > > 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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