Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Researching American fascism is getting very interesting. Something about the spiritual ideas off a Nazi website below strike you as familiar? P. PRINCIPLES OF NATIONAL SOCIALIST THOUGHT I. BE HONEST. A National Socialist faces a fact whether he likes it or not. Dishonesty is the mark of the enemy. National Socialism above all represents living truth in its purest form. II. BELIEVE IN GOD AND YOURSELF. The God of Destiny subjects only His strongest mortals to enormous tasks which would crush lesser men. God wills only the best to fulfill the highest task of life: to perfect mankind. Give yourself utterly unto Destiny, and God will shield you in your fight. God helps only those who help themselves. We will lose only if we lay down our arms due to our weakness and cowardice. There is only one true disgrace: submission to the enemies of our race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 << Take comfort in the fact that the American Nazi party has a candidate on every presidential ballot and never gets more than a handful of votes--I don't have stats but it's probably 1% or less. >> The ANP, to my knowledge, has not enaged in any electoral activity as open " Nazis " , but rather, have infiltrated the REPUBLICAN PARTY as " former " Nazi and KKK leader Duke has in LA http://www.davidduke.com But the most influencial American National Socialist today is Dr. Pierce, author of the notorious " The Diaries " , the novel that allegedly inspired Tim McVey and leader of the National Alliance. He has a weekly radio broadcast carried on about 8 stations and available to listen to on their website: http://www.natall.com Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:30:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), 12-step-freeegroups wrote: > Researching American fascism is getting very interesting. Hey Pete, we are an interesting people (although I don't know any fascists that I'm aware of). What you quoted below reminded me of something in " For Your Own Good " (). > II. BELIEVE IN GOD AND YOURSELF. The God of Destiny subjects only His strongest mortals to enormous tasks which > would crush lesser men. God wills only the best to fulfill the highest task of life: to perfect mankind. Give yourself utterly unto > Destiny, and God will shield you in your fight. God helps only those who help themselves. We will lose only if we lay down our > arms due to our weakness and cowardice. There is only one true disgrace: submission to the enemies of our race. > Alice quotes a passage from " The Face of the Third Reich: Portraits of Nazi Leadership " (Fest). " In the hopeless confusion of all criteria under the influence of a totalitarian ethic, harshness toward the victims was held justified by the harshness practiced toward oneself. 'To be harsh toward ourselves and others, to give death and to take it,' was one of the mottoes of the SS repeatedly emphasized by Himmler. Because murder was difficult, it was good, and justified. By the same reasoning, he was always able to point proudly, as though to a Roll of Honor, to the fact that the Order had suffered 'no inner damage' from its murderous activity and had remained 'decent.' " Pretty much the same messages, with 60 years, a continent and an ocean between them. Take comfort in the fact that the American Nazi party has a candidate on every presidential ballot and never gets more than a handful of votes--I don't have stats but it's probably 1% or less. Judith _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 Hi Judith I am present defending Alice 's views on a professional post-traumatic stress discussion list. I am aware that American Nazi parties (there are at least two that I have come across) have minimal support in relative terms, though even 1% of the huge American electorate makes an alarming 2M ppl or so. (I understand that the KKK once achieved these numbers.) what concerns me is that they appear to be forming enclaves with an agenda to try to break free of Federal control. A sudden downturn in the economy which would put many poor black and white ppl on welfare could I believe create a serious risk of inter-racial violence and de facto segregation. judith stillwater wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=12498 > On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:30:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), > 12-step-freeegroups wrote: > > > Researching American fascism is getting very interesting. > > Hey Pete, we are an interesting people (although I don't know any > fascists that I'm aware of). What you quoted below reminded me of something > in " For Your Own Good " (). > > > II. BELIEVE IN GOD AND YOURSELF. The God of Destiny subjects only His > strongest mortals to enormous tasks which > > would crush lesser men. God wills only the best to fulfill the highest > task of life: to perfect mankind. Give yourself utterly unto > > Destiny, and God will shield you in your fight. God helps only those who > help themselves. We will lose only if we lay down our > > arms due to our weakness and cowardice. There is only one true disgrace: > submission to the enemies of our race. > > > Alice quotes a passage from " The Face of the Third Reich: Portraits > of Nazi Leadership " (Fest). > > " In the hopeless confusion of all criteria under the influence of a > totalitarian ethic, harshness toward the victims was held justified by the > harshness practiced toward oneself. 'To be harsh toward ourselves and > others, to give death and to take it,' was one of the mottoes of the SS > repeatedly emphasized by Himmler. Because murder was difficult, it was > good, and justified. By the same reasoning, he was always able to point > proudly, as though to a Roll of Honor, to the fact that the Order had > suffered 'no inner damage' from its murderous activity and had remained > 'decent.' " > > Pretty much the same messages, with 60 years, a continent and an ocean > between them. Take comfort in the fact that the American Nazi party has a > candidate on every presidential ballot and never gets more than a handful of > votes--I don't have stats but it's probably 1% or less. > > Judith > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 -----Original Message----- [snip] >I am aware that American Nazi parties (there are at least two that I >have come across) have minimal support in relative terms, though even >1% of the huge American electorate makes an alarming 2M ppl or so. (I >understand that the KKK once achieved these numbers.) Probably more, though I don't know the numbers. Referring to the early 20's, S. E. Morison, in The Oxford History of the American People, writes " the Klan elected governors in Oklahoma and Oregon, and in 1924 practically took over Indiana. Favorite targets of the Klansmen were alcohol and adultery... " The Klan revival was fueled by a wave of anti-liberal, anti-'Red', anti-immigrant sentiment. The alcohol connection may seem odd unless you realize that Prohibition itself was in part an expression of xenophobia. The KKK was not just a southern or rural phenomenon. It had significant membership even in the big East Coast cities and in industrial areas. I was personally acquainted with a lady (now deceased) who was honored with a cross-burning in Massachusetts in the 30's. Her 'offense' against the 'American way of life' was to organize English classes for immigrants from Sweden! --wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 so much for not getting political on this forum --- " wally t. " wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > [snip] > >I am aware that American Nazi parties (there are at > least two that I > >have come across) have minimal support in relative > terms, though even > >1% of the huge American electorate makes an > alarming 2M ppl or so. (I > >understand that the KKK once achieved these > numbers.) > > Probably more, though I don't know the numbers. > Referring to the early 20's, > S. E. Morison, in The Oxford History of the American > People, writes " the > Klan elected governors in Oklahoma and Oregon, and > in 1924 practically took > over Indiana. Favorite targets of the Klansmen were > alcohol and adultery... " > > The Klan revival was fueled by a wave of > anti-liberal, anti-'Red', > anti-immigrant sentiment. The alcohol connection may > seem odd unless you > realize that Prohibition itself was in part an > expression of xenophobia. > > The KKK was not just a southern or rural phenomenon. > It had significant > membership even in the big East Coast cities and in > industrial areas. I was > personally acquainted with a lady (now deceased) who > was honored with a > cross-burning in Massachusetts in the 30's. Her > 'offense' against the > 'American way of life' was to organize English > classes for immigrants from > Sweden! > > --wally > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Earn extra money at calypso.com by creating your own > web store. For a > limited time, join calypso.com and receive a FREE > calypso whistle. > Also learn how you can win up to $25! Click to > http://click./1/1590/1/_/4324/_/950687018/ > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the > group calendar! > -- > /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Trivia Question: What U.S. Supreme Court Justice was once a member of the KKK? mike kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=12631 > so much for not getting political on this forum > > --- " wally t. " wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > [snip] > > >I am aware that American Nazi parties (there are at > > least two that I > > >have come across) have minimal support in relative > > terms, though even > > >1% of the huge American electorate makes an > > alarming 2M ppl or so. (I > > >understand that the KKK once achieved these > > numbers.) > > > > Probably more, though I don't know the numbers. > > Referring to the early 20's, > > S. E. Morison, in The Oxford History of the American > > People, writes " the > > Klan elected governors in Oklahoma and Oregon, and > > in 1924 practically took > > over Indiana. Favorite targets of the Klansmen were > > alcohol and adultery... " > > > > The Klan revival was fueled by a wave of > > anti-liberal, anti-'Red', > > anti-immigrant sentiment. The alcohol connection may > > seem odd unless you > > realize that Prohibition itself was in part an > > expression of xenophobia. > > > > The KKK was not just a southern or rural phenomenon. > > It had significant > > membership even in the big East Coast cities and in > > industrial areas. I was > > personally acquainted with a lady (now deceased) who > > was honored with a > > cross-burning in Massachusetts in the 30's. Her > > 'offense' against the > > 'American way of life' was to organize English > > classes for immigrants from > > Sweden! > > > > --wally > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 -----Original Message----- >so much for not getting political on this forum I believe that certain political topics are appropriate, and even unavoidable. Compulsory AA membership, as a violation of religious freedom, is a political topic. Surely noone would suggest that talking about efforts to fight this in the courts or other government entities was off-base. Secondly, steppism is, among other things, one manifestation of the American Temperance movement, which has been a major influence in American politics for at least 180 years. It would be possible to argue that 'alcoholism' and 'alcoholics' exist as social constructs ONLY because of their value as scapegoats to politicians and established interests. I wouldn't go that far... but I think that Temperance history is potentially relevant to any discussion of AA, and that to ban its mention as 'politics' would be very silly. All of which could be overdone, and some of which is of little interest to most of the folks on the list. Which in turn is why Ken R. started the 12-steps-and-politics list a bit over a year ago. (But that one seems to have dried up.) And of course there are issues like gun control, and whether W. or Al G. is the bigger wimp with the smaller IQ, that have no special relevance to AA or 'alcoholism', that are best avoided altogether. --wally > >--- " wally t. " wrote: >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> [snip] >> >I am aware that American Nazi parties (there are at >> least two that I >> >have come across) have minimal support in relative >> terms, though even >> >1% of the huge American electorate makes an >> alarming 2M ppl or so. (I >> >understand that the KKK once achieved these >> numbers.) >> >> Probably more, though I don't know the numbers. >> Referring to the early 20's, >> S. E. Morison, in The Oxford History of the American >> People, writes " the >> Klan elected governors in Oklahoma and Oregon, and >> in 1924 practically took >> over Indiana. Favorite targets of the Klansmen were >> alcohol and adultery... " >> >> The Klan revival was fueled by a wave of >> anti-liberal, anti-'Red', >> anti-immigrant sentiment. The alcohol connection may >> seem odd unless you >> realize that Prohibition itself was in part an >> expression of xenophobia. >> >> The KKK was not just a southern or rural phenomenon. >> It had significant >> membership even in the big East Coast cities and in >> industrial areas. I was >> personally acquainted with a lady (now deceased) who >> was honored with a >> cross-burning in Massachusetts in the 30's. Her >> 'offense' against the >> 'American way of life' was to organize English >> classes for immigrants from >> Sweden! >> >> --wally >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Earn extra money at calypso.com by creating your own >> web store. For a >> limited time, join calypso.com and receive a FREE >> calypso whistle. >> Also learn how you can win up to $25! Click to >> >http://click./1/1590/1/_/4324/_/950687018/ >> >> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the >> group calendar! >> -- >> /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 >> >> >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 don't know..who? --- Tommy Perkins wrote: > > Trivia Question: > > What U.S. Supreme Court Justice was once a member of > the KKK? > > > mike kraemer wrote: > original > article:/group/12-step-free/?start=12631 > > so much for not getting political on this forum > > > > --- " wally t. " wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > [snip] > > > >I am aware that American Nazi parties (there > are at > > > least two that I > > > >have come across) have minimal support in > relative > > > terms, though even > > > >1% of the huge American electorate makes an > > > alarming 2M ppl or so. (I > > > >understand that the KKK once achieved these > > > numbers.) > > > > > > Probably more, though I don't know the numbers. > > > Referring to the early 20's, > > > S. E. Morison, in The Oxford History of the > American > > > People, writes " the > > > Klan elected governors in Oklahoma and Oregon, > and > > > in 1924 practically took > > > over Indiana. Favorite targets of the Klansmen > were > > > alcohol and adultery... " > > > > > > The Klan revival was fueled by a wave of > > > anti-liberal, anti-'Red', > > > anti-immigrant sentiment. The alcohol connection > may > > > seem odd unless you > > > realize that Prohibition itself was in part an > > > expression of xenophobia. > > > > > > The KKK was not just a southern or rural > phenomenon. > > > It had significant > > > membership even in the big East Coast cities and > in > > > industrial areas. I was > > > personally acquainted with a lady (now deceased) > who > > > was honored with a > > > cross-burning in Massachusetts in the 30's. Her > > > 'offense' against the > > > 'American way of life' was to organize English > > > classes for immigrants from > > > Sweden! > > > > > > --wally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > At calypso.com, members create their very own web > stores to earn $$. > Just point, click & type to create a store. Earn > extra money when you, > family or friends shop from your store. Click to > http://click./1/1589/1/_/4324/_/950831126/ > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- > /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 mike kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=12736 > don't know..who? > > --- Tommy Perkins wrote: > > > > Trivia Question: > > > > What U.S. Supreme Court Justice was once a member of > > the KKK? Hugo Black of Birmingham, Alabama. This may shock you but he is considered to be, along with O. , as one of the most liberal Justices in the history of the Court. In 1920's Birmingham a very high percentage of the adult male population was associated with the KKK. http://www.stolaf.edu/people/becker/antitrust/pictures/black.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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