Re: Secondary flouride filter and coconut shells

[Guest guest]

While they may use bleach to disinfect, wouldn't it be relatively safe

to assume that after running it out a few times you would remove any

containmants that would actually get into the final water?

What studies have been done on the coconut shell filters and what are

good brands?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've learned to trust Hulda's research.

Her syncrometer tests parts-per-trillion quantities.

Switzerland does not deliver chlorinated water to homes.

This article describes increased asthma in children who swim in

chlorinated pools:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/

20030723-9999_1c23chlorine.html

(the studies were not done in the U.S.)

I Googled coconut shell and water filter. There are several sources.

I buy products from http://www..com.

Jo

Re: Secondary flouride filter and coconut shells

Posted by: " louisvillewapf " louisvillewapf@... louisvillewapf

Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:56 am (PST)

While they may use bleach to disinfect, wouldn't it be relatively safe

to assume that after running it out a few times you would remove any

containmants that would actually get into the final water?

What studies have been done on the coconut shell filters and what are

good brands?

[Guest guest]

I clicked on Dr 's site and did a search for coconut filters but

nothing came up. Can you give us a specific link?

Thanks,

On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Jo Fahey wrote:

I Googled coconut shell and water filter. There are several sources.

I buy products from http://www..com.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for posting your question.

I realized that the coconut shell filters are at store.com and

not dr.clark.com.

Jo

Countertop and shower filter

http://store.com/counterfilter.html

http://store.com/drclpushfisy.html

Whole House

http://store.com/whole-house-water-filter-with-board-v1.html

http://store.com/drclwhhofiki.html

http://store.com/waterfilter.html

Jo

Re: Secondary flouride filter and coconut shells

Posted by: " Parashis " artpages@...

elizabethparashis

Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:14 am (PST)

I clicked on Dr 's site and did a search for coconut filters but

nothing came up. Can you give us a specific link?

Thanks,

On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Jo Fahey wrote:

I Googled coconut shell and water filter. There are several sources.

I buy products from http://www..com.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

I clicked on a few of those sites and when they listed the toxins the

coconut shells filter it said this.

Activated Carbon is known for being the most effective filter medium

for organic solvents, such as oils, benzene, and chlorine. Those are

the type of toxins Dr. is most concerned with.

Nothing about fluoride. Where did you see the part about fluoride?

On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Jo Fahey wrote:

Countertop and shower filter

http://store.com/counterfilter.html

http://store.com/drclpushfisy.html

Whole House

http://store.com/whole-house-water-filter-with-board-v1.html

http://store.com/drclwhhofiki.html

http://store.com/waterfilter.html

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It's activated " charcoal from coconut shells " (not carbon).

I can understand the confusion—I've had to re-read Hulda's

information about 6 times.

Regular carbon filters are not recommended because they are

disinfected with chlorox that contains polonium, cerium, potassium

ferrocyanide, benzene, heavy metals, dyes, PCBs, wheel bearing grease

and motor oil.

Chlorox laundry bleach water contains three of the 4 elements in

Hulda's cancer-complex (polonium, cerium and potassium ferrocyanide).

Fluoride is still a problem (fluoride is a reduced form of fluorine)

but it is not part of Hulda's cancer-complex. Two halogens (fluorine

and bromine) attract polonium, an alpha-radiation emitting

radioactive element that is in both forms of bleach (national

sanitation foundation's approved food-grade bleach and chlorox

bleach). The key to avoiding Hulda's cancer complex would be to make

sure you do not ingest or shower in any water that contains polonium

(polonium is also given off by dental supplies that are disinfected

with chlorox).

The Fluoride Action Network recently reported that fifty-three cities

(in 4 states) rejected fluoride in referendums on November 4, 2008. I

think it would be best to pressure local government to stop dumping

fluoride into water to solve this part of the water problem.

BTW: I'm giving a presentation about Hulda's book at our Weston Price

chapter on Monday night and I have written a handout that I can send

as a PDF file. It's information in the " prevent " half of her book and

I'm also planning to write a handout for the " cure " half of her

book. I can send the file offlist to anyone who is interested. I will

also be putting the file in the Files section of our local e-group

after Monday night.

I'll continue to work on this because I think I have a pre-cancerous

condition in my GI tract. I was diagnosed with a strongyloide in May

with sound resonance equipment — and I have several food allergies. I

took ivermectin for the strongyloide but the fact that it plays a

role in cancer — makes me want to follow Hulda's program. The

parasite and food allergen connections are explained in my PDF file.

Jo Fahey

Madison, Wisconsin

sted by: " Parashis " artpages@... elizabethparashis

Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:02 am (PST)

Hi Jo,

I clicked on a few of those sites and when they listed the toxins the

coconut shells filter it said this.

Activated Carbon is known for being the most effective filter medium

for organic solvents, such as oils, benzene, and chlorine. Those are

the type of toxins Dr. is most concerned with.

Nothing about fluoride. Where did you see the part about fluoride?

On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Jo Fahey wrote:

Countertop and shower filter

http://store.com/counterfilter.html

http://store.com/drclpushfisy.html

Whole House

http://store.com/whole-house-water-filter-with-board-v1.html

http://store.com/drclwhhofiki.html

http://store.com/waterfilter.html

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Activated charcoal from coconut shells is just a more natural sounding

source of activated carbon. Activated carbon filters (which are also

just called carbon filters) would still effectively filter those

things out of tap water even if they were treated with bleach at some

point.

There are activated carbon filters in my RO system and after I change

all the filters and the sediment is rinsed out the readings are

incredibly close to 0 parts per million total dissolved solids for

quite a while. If there were many nasty chemicals in carbon filters

that wouldn't be possible to get readings that low.

-

>

> Countertop and shower filter

> http://store.com/counterfilter.html

> http://store.com/drclpushfisy.html

>

> Whole House

> http://store.com/whole-house-water-filter-with-board-v1.html

> http://store.com/drclwhhofiki.html

> http://store.com/waterfilter.html

>

> Parashis

> artpages@...

>

> artpagesonline.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be interested, thanks.

On Nov 22, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Jo Fahey wrote:

BTW: I'm giving a presentation about Hulda's book at our Weston Price

chapter on Monday night and I have written a handout that I can send

as a PDF file. It's information in the " prevent " half of her book and

I'm also planning to write a handout for the " cure " half of her

book. I can send the file offlist to anyone who is interested.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

we have a Multi-Pure filter under our sink. they use solid carbon block for

filters. does this mean i am ingesting polonium? is it continually released

during the life of the filter, or just a little bit at the beginning and

then it's gone? does that make sense? i was told this was one of the best

filters on the market and i was asking for the flouride attachment for mine

for christmas b/c i just have to original model right now. this is so

complicated.

amanda

>Regular carbon filters are not recommended because they are

disinfected with chlorox that contains polonium, cerium, potassium

ferrocyanide, benzene, heavy metals, dyes, PCBs, wheel bearing grease

and motor oil.

[Guest guest]

I second Jo's suggestion:

> I think it would be best to pressure local government to stop

> dumping fluoride into water to solve this part of the water problem.

When discussing the complexities of figuring out the best water filter

solution with my daughter, she asked: what happens to the fluoride-

filled filters when they need to be changed?

Presumably they get dumped in a land fill or, with some systems, rinsed

and flushed down the drain. Either way, they further poison the

planet. While obtaining water filters is essential to protect ourselves

and families from toxins/drugs/etc., it's not enough! Each of us really

needs to step up politically and do what we can to stop the production

of this junk in the first place.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Hulda's sound resonance technology is what helps her to identify

clorox in water that passes through any type of filter that has been

disinfected with clorox (in parts per trillion quantities). She says

that 95% of the water filters that she tested had traces of clorox.

She also says pipes are contaminated with clorox even with a single

pass through a clorox contaminated filter due to the sticky wheel

bearing grease and motor oil in clorox (see list of contaminants

below). Pipes that have been contaminated with clorox can be rinsed

with three tankfuls of hot water to get rid of the grease residue.

Hulda feels that water filter manufacturers need to provide the name

of the disinfectant that they use to disinfect the filter.

Hulda explains that three of the four elements in the cancer complex

are artificially linked in clorox making it much more likely for the

4 elements to find each other in the body (Polonium, Cerium, and

Potassium ferrocyanide). If we had zero clorox exposure, we would

still be exposed to these elements because they're all around us.

However, drinking clorox-water or foods disinfected with clorox

increases our chances of assembling the cancer complex to start a tumor.

The 4th element in the cancer complex is the fasciolopsis buski

parasite that is easier and easier to pick up as the human immune

system is weakened due to environmental pollution (BTW: Pork has the

highest amout of F. buski parasites). Ordinarily, our white blood

cells destroy these pollutants but they're overwhelmed with moving

all the extra clorox pollutants out of the body (see the list of

clorox pollutants below). She says that white blood cells are also

under-fed (they need vitamin C, selenium and germanium—preferably in

food sources).

Even if there were a safe form of chlorine (which there is not), many

people assume that clorox laundry bleach is safe to ingest.

Surprisingly, several nutritionists in the country are advising

people to add clorox to one gallon of water for a fruit and vegetable

soak. A naturopath named Hazel Parcells started this trend in the

1950s to eliminate fungi, bacteria and other foreign materials.

Working at Sierra States University in California, Parcells called

her soak, “The Parcells Oxygen Soak” claiming that the sodium

hypochlorite in clorox worked as an oxygenator. She registered it

with the sonian Institute under “Simplified Kitchen Chemistry”

and her soak was adopted by the health departments of governments all

over the world!

In her latest book, The Cure and Prevention of All Cancers, Hulda

says, “The new bleaches arriving in supermarkets in the last

few decades have changed […].” She says laundry bleaches have a huge

assortment of dyes, and the heavy metals include:

• Barium

• Lead

• Lanthanum

• Nickel

• Cadmium

• Chromium

• Cobalt

• Ruthenium

• Yttrium

In the supermarket bleaches that Hulda has tested, she found over 20

heavy metals, azo dyes meant for cloth and paper, asbestos, PCBs,

malonic acid, benzene, isopropyl alcohol, motor oil, wheel bearing

grease and a high level of radioactivity. Alarmingly, the dyes that

she found were banned in food over 50 years ago including:

• Fast Garnet

• Fast Green

• Fast Red

• Fast Red Violet

• Chromium

• Cobalt

• Ruthenium

• Yttrium

Note: any clorox exposure is dangerous—including clorox in cleaning

products.

Most of all, we need to stop ingesting clorox and also pressure

government to install safer water treatment.The National Sanitation

Foundation-approved bleach that is used to treat water is not as

toxic as clorox but it still contains a slight variation of the

chemicals in Hulda's cancer complex (a " ferri " cyanide instead of a

" ferro " cyanide). Her section on " cyanide fatigue " is enough of an

argument to do away with all iron cyanides in water treatment (BTW:

potassium ferrocyanide is also used as a anti-caking agent in table

salt).

In ph Hattersley’s article, “How Chlorine is Detrimental in Our

Water” that was published in the May/June 2006 edition of the Well

Being Journal that is now archived online (www.wellbeingjournal.com).

Hattersley explains that chlorination is an inferior water treatment

that fails against a variety of water problems including parasites.

In 2006, when his article was published, a public notice was

circulated in Washington, D.C. warning the public that a high level

of bacteria in the city system water made it unsafe for dialysis

patients, AIDS patients, organ transplant patients, the elderly and

infants.

Hattersley also says the cost of chlorination is unnecessarily high.

In 1996, Andover, Massachusetts installed an ozone water treatment

system that cost two-thirds as much as the chlorine treatment process.

Hattersley says that there are 1,100 cities in the world using ozone

for water treatment and that ozone water treatment was introduced as

early as 1901. Chlorine is an industrial waste product that is

profitably disposed of by use in water treatment. Chemical companies

make huge profits by disposing excess chlorine into drinking water in

the U.S. and Canada (Federal regulations require surface water from

lakes, reservoirs and rivers to be chlorinated). In France and

Germany, chlorine is only used in emergencies.

Jo Fahey

Re: Secondary flouride filter and coconut shells

Posted by: " gdawson6 " gdawson6@... gdawson6

Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:00 am (PST)

Activated charcoal from coconut shells is just a more natural sounding

source of activated carbon. Activated carbon filters (which are also

just called carbon filters) would still effectively filter those

things out of tap water even if they were treated with bleach at some

point.

There are activated carbon filters in my RO system and after I change

all the filters and the sediment is rinsed out the readings are

incredibly close to 0 parts per million total dissolved solids for

quite a while. If there were many nasty chemicals in carbon filters

that wouldn't be possible to get readings that low.

-

[Guest guest]

I agree that we need to push flouride out of being added to water

supplies, but I am unsure if that would stop the problem of flouride

pollution. Isn't flouride a by-product of aluminum manufacturing? If

so, the flouride will still end up somewhere... perhaps not directly in

drinking water, but most likely eventually in our food, soils, water

ways, etc. since companies rarely dispose of such stuff properly.