Re: I'm new and have a question about probiotics

[Guest guest]

Sounds like they gave you clindamycin (sp)? C. Difficile is known to be

resistant to it. :/

Viability (refrigeration, usually) is just as important as getting the right

microbes for the job.

" The antimicrobial activity against Clostridium difficile of 109 lactic acid

bacteria (LAB) isolated from 32 healthy Korean infants was measured. The

ability to show similar activity against Escherichia coli O157:H7 and

Staphylococcus aureus was also looked for. Twelve of the 109 LAB showed

activity against C. difficile and 19 strains were active against E. coli

Ol57:H7, but none against S. aureus. Four strains had antimicrobial activity

against both C. difficile and E. coli 0157:H7. Of the 12 strains that had

activity against C. difficile, four strains were excluded as Streptococcus

species, while the other eight were identified using polymerase chain

reaction (PCR) assays using group-specific primers designed from the

nucleotide sequences of the 16S rDNA and internal transcribed spacer (ITS)

regions of the Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus species. Based on the

sequencing results, the eight strains screened were identified as

Bifidobacterium infantis and Lactobacillus salivarius. " (

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=14659576)

I usually use Jarrow, but they don't have a formula with both of the above

bacteria. The only company I know that offers a formula that contains both

is Custom Probiotics' D-lactate free. You might be able to find the two

separately in the store though. B. infantis is pretty easy to find

individually, and I *think* I've seen salivarius on its own.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, rainbows4evr2002 <

rainbows4evr2002@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello Everybody, I'm new here and I'm here b/c I've been sick. I need

> probiotics that aren't full of lots of calories as in yogurt. Also, I

> think the stronger the better.

>

> I have been told that the only good probiotics are the ones the health

> food stores keep in refrigerators, and yogurts, etc. I was told that

> the pills and capsules containing probiotics are worthless.

>

> Any ideas on this? I have been very sick with C-Dificile and am trying

> hard to get well, I also have diverticulitis. This all started just

> before hospilitization for these illnesses b/c I had pneumonia. Result

> was a truckload of antibiotics to save my life. Now I have C-Dif from

> the antibiotics.

>

> Need help.

>

> Kay

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also use customprobiotics.com. It's the most cost effective high potency

formula out there. It's many times cheaper than VSL #3, one of the other

very high potency formulas.

Capsules are ok, but you can buy it in powder form too.

Refrigeration helps maintain potency. However, even on the shelf, most

formulas will be as or more potent than what is on the label for several

months.

Buddy

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...>wrote:

> Sounds like they gave you clindamycin (sp)? C. Difficile is known to be

> resistant to it. :/

>

> Viability (refrigeration, usually) is just as important as getting the

> right

> microbes for the job.

>

> " The antimicrobial activity against Clostridium difficile of 109 lactic

> acid

> bacteria (LAB) isolated from 32 healthy Korean infants was measured. The

> ability to show similar activity against Escherichia coli O157:H7 and

> Staphylococcus aureus was also looked for. Twelve of the 109 LAB showed

> activity against C. difficile and 19 strains were active against E. coli

> Ol57:H7, but none against S. aureus. Four strains had antimicrobial

> activity

> against both C. difficile and E. coli 0157:H7. Of the 12 strains that had

> activity against C. difficile, four strains were excluded as Streptococcus

> species, while the other eight were identified using polymerase chain

> reaction (PCR) assays using group-specific primers designed from the

> nucleotide sequences of the 16S rDNA and internal transcribed spacer (ITS)

> regions of the Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus species. Based on the

> sequencing results, the eight strains screened were identified as

> Bifidobacterium infantis and Lactobacillus salivarius. " (

> http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=14659576)

>

> I usually use Jarrow, but they don't have a formula with both of the above

> bacteria. The only company I know that offers a formula that contains both

> is Custom Probiotics' D-lactate free. You might be able to find the two

> separately in the store though. B. infantis is pretty easy to find

> individually, and I *think* I've seen salivarius on its own.

>

> -Lana

>

> " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

>

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, rainbows4evr2002 <

> rainbows4evr2002@... <rainbows4evr2002%40>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hello Everybody, I'm new here and I'm here b/c I've been sick. I need

> > probiotics that aren't full of lots of calories as in yogurt. Also, I

> > think the stronger the better.

> >

> > I have been told that the only good probiotics are the ones the health

> > food stores keep in refrigerators, and yogurts, etc. I was told that

> > the pills and capsules containing probiotics are worthless.

> >

> > Any ideas on this? I have been very sick with C-Dificile and am trying

> > hard to get well, I also have diverticulitis. This all started just

> > before hospilitization for these illnesses b/c I had pneumonia. Result

> > was a truckload of antibiotics to save my life. Now I have C-Dif from

> > the antibiotics.

> >

> > Need help.

> >

> > Kay

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

--- Kay <rainbows4evr2002@...> wrote:

> I have been very sick with C-Dificile and am trying

> hard to get well, I also have diverticulitis. This all started just

> before hospilitization for these illnesses b/c I had pneumonia.

> Result was a truckload of antibiotics to save my life. Now I have

> C-Dif from the antibiotics.

Kay, in addition to taking good probiotics as others have discussed,

be sure to minimize your sugar and polyunsaturated fat intake, both of

which will suppress your immune system. Use bone broth and nutrient

dense foods, like sea food, organ meats, and/or unsweetened dairy to

get optimal nutrition as well. The bone broth will help to restore

digestive health.

Taking probiotics will not likely be as effective if you eat a diet

full of sugar and polyunsaturated fat. Don't eat foods that have any

added sweeteners. Fruit is OK but don't eat a lot. Also, avoid

processed foods that have added vegetable oils, since most commonly

used vegetable oils are high in polyunsaturated fat, such as soybean

oil, safflower oil, cottonseed oil, or corn oil. Most salad

dressings, sauces, and baked goods are loaded with vegetable oil these

days.

I made a blog post on antibiotics and probiotics a while back that has

links to more info:

http://stay-healthy-enjoy-life.blogspot.com/2008/01/antibiotics-probiotics.html

HTH,

[Guest guest]

Look up S. boulardii it's amazing and there are alot of journal

articles about its effectiveness against c. dificile - in fact, some

say in light of its low toxicity, lack of side effects and

effectiveness, it should be the treatment of choice. I get mine from

www.myvitanet.com but I guess you can just google it to find it.

Since it's a live yeast, you can even culture it to get more, like in

flour/water. I've added it to bread dough and sweet juices, like

coconut water before, to make a stronger theraputic dose.

>

>

>

> Hello Everybody, I'm new here and I'm here b/c I've been sick. I

need

> probiotics that aren't full of lots of calories as in yogurt. Also,

I

> think the stronger the better.

>

> I have been told that the only good probiotics are the ones the

health

> food stores keep in refrigerators, and yogurts, etc. I was told

that

> the pills and capsules containing probiotics are worthless.

>

> Any ideas on this? I have been very sick with C-Dificile and am

trying

> hard to get well, I also have diverticulitis. This all started just

> before hospilitization for these illnesses b/c I had pneumonia.

Result

> was a truckload of antibiotics to save my life. Now I have C-Dif

from

> the antibiotics.

>

> Need help.

>

> Kay

>