Guest guest Posted March 21, 1999 Report Share Posted March 21, 1999 At 19:35 21.03.99 +0100, you wrote: >From: Dusan Stojkovic <dusan@...> > >At 11:41 21.03.99 -0600, you wrote: >>All three of my children have been " totally " vaccinated. What can I do now >>to undo the damage that these vaccines have caused? > Avoid foods , cosmetics, and anything else that you put in your mouth, or on your skin, nails, hair, or you come in contact with. Most people are breathing many carcinogens from the paints that they are painting their house, from the paints that furniture is painted, and from other products they bring into the house. Be aware. You are buying diseases at the store ! Take care what you bring into your house. Just one example: Purchase one usual magazine (Times or Newsweek, or Cosmopolitan,..), or new book. Open it and smell it. (Do not smell it too long time, as you may faint or get sever headache. ) That what you smell is smell of 3-10 differnt carcinogen substances (from color paper, glue, printing...) If you have basement under your house, make sure you do not have old paints, solvents or other sources of those toxins. Car paints contain some of the most toxic substances. Read " The Cure For All Diseases " By Hulda , for more details about sources of those of those toxins. Read also " Reversing Alzheimer " , by Tom Warren. Read also Aubrey's book : " Natural Organic Hair and Skin Care " - Includes an A to Z Guide to Natural & Synthetic Chemicals in Cosmetics, published by Organica Press, ISBN 0-939157-00-4. http://www.aubrey-organics.com/ IARC AND NTP CARCINOGEN LIST ============================ This list includes three categories of substances and processes regarded as carcinogenic, primarily by the International Agency for Research on Cancer of the World Health Organisation (IARC), and to a lesser extent, the US Government's Annual Report on Carcinogens from the National Toxicology Program (NTP). Although there are some difference in categorisation, for convenience we have combined the lists under a common nomenclature. There are some minor omissions and exclusions of exotic materials. Please notify us of any errors or omissions considered important. Category 1 is for substances for which there is sufficient evidence for a causal relationship with cancer in humans (confirmed human carcinogen). Category 2A is for substances for which there is a lesser degree of evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in animal studies, or degrees of evidence considered appropriate to this category, eg unequivocal evidence of mutagenicity in mammalian cells (probable human carcinogen). Category 2B is for substances for which there is sufficient evidence in animal tests, or degrees of evidence considered appropriate to this category (possible human carcinogen). Excluded from the list above are IARC category 3 carcinogens for which assessment evidence is 'limited'. All IARC monographs up to issue 60, 1994 and the NTP Sixth Report on Carcinogens are included; (and will update both sources soon). For each update, a ** will indicate a new listing and we will place a note at the end of the list. Please refer to the original IARC and NTP documents for a more detailed description of categories and carcinogenicity evidence. 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Category 1 ========= Aflatoxins Alcoholic beverages Aluminium production 4-aminobiphenyl Arsenic and arsenic compounds Asbestos Manufacture of auramine Azathioprine Benzene Benzidine Beryllium and compounds (upgraded from 2A) Betel quid with tobacco Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical grade) Boot and shoe manufacture and repair (occupational exposure) 1,4 Butanediol dimethanesulphonate (Myleran) Cadmium and compounds (upgraded from 2A) Chlorambucil Chlornaphazine 1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1 nitrosourea Chloromethyl methyl ether (technical) Chromium compounds (hexavalent) Coal gasification Coal tar pitches Coal tars Coke production Cyclophosphamide Cyclosporin Erionite Ethylene oxide Furniture and cabinet making Underground haematite mining with exposure to radon Iron and steel founding Isopropyl alcohol manufacture (strong acid process) Manufacture of magenta (see also magenta, 2B) Melphalan 8-Methoxypsoralen (Methoxsalen) plus ultraviolet radiation Mineral oils_untreated and mildly-treated oils MOPP and other combined chemotherapy for cancer Mustard gas (sulphur mustard) 2-Naphthylamine Nickel and nickel compounds (essentially sulphate and sulphide) Nonsteroidal oestrogens (not necessarily all in group); includes diethylstilboestrol Oestrogen replacement therapy and Combined oral contraceptives and sequential oral contraceptives Steroidal oestrogens (not all in group) Painter (occupational exposure as a painter) Phenacetin (analgesic mixtures containing) Rubber industry Salted fish, Chinese style Solar radiation Shale oils Soots Sulphuric acid (occupational exposures to strong-inorganic-acid mists of sulphuric acid) Talc containing asbestiform fibres Thiotepa Tobacco products (smokeless) Tobacco smoke Treosulphan Vinyl chloride Category 2A =========== Acrylamide Acrylonitrile Adriamycin Anabolic steroids Azacitidine Benzanthracene Benzidine-based dyes (technical grade) Direct Black 38 Direct Blue 6 Direct Brown 95 Benzopyrene 1,3-Butadiene Captafol Bischloroethyl nitrosourea (BCNU) 1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea (CCNU) Chloramphenicol para-Chloro-ortho-toluidine and its strong acid salts Chlorozotocin Cisplatin Creosotes Dibenzanthracene Diesel engine exhaust Diethyl sulphate Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride Dimethyl sulphate Epichlorohydrin Ethylene dibromide N-ethyl-N-nitrosourea Formaldehyde Glass manufacturing industry (occupational exposure) Art glass, glass containers and pressed ware Hairdresser or barber (occupational exposure, probably dyes) Insecticide use (occupational) IQ (2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline); Mate drinking (hot) 5-Methoxypsoralen 4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline) (MOCA) N-Methyl-N-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine (MNNG) N-Methyl-N-nitrosourea Nitrogen mustard N-Nitrosodiethylamine N-Nitrosodimethylamine Petroleum refining (occupational refining exposures) Phenacetin Polychlorinated biphenyls Procarbazine hydrochloride Silica (crystalline) Styrene-7,8-oxide Tris(1-azaridinyl)phosphine sulphide (Thiotepa) Tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate Ultraviolet radiation: A, B and C including sunlamps and sunbeds Vinyl bromide Category 2B =========== A-C(2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole) Acetaldehyde Acetamide AF-2[2-(2-Furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)acrylamide para-Aminoazobenzene ortho-Aminoazobenzene 2-Amino-5-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-1,3,4-thiadiazole Amitrole ortho-Anisidine Antimony trioxide Aramite Atrazine Attapulgite Azaserine Benzofluoranthene Benzo[j]fluoranthene Benzo[k]fluoranthene Benzyl violet Bitumens (extracts of steam-refined and air-refined bitumens) Bleomycins Bracken ferns Bromodichloromethane Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) á-Butyrolactone Caffeic acid Carbon black extract Carbon tetrachloride Carrageenan (degraded) Ceramic fibres Chloramphenicol Chlordane Chlordecone Chlorendic acid Chlorinated paraffins of average carbon-chain length C12 and average degree of chlorination approx 60% alpha-Chlorinated toluenes (not necessarily all in group) Benzotrichloride para-Chloroaniline Chloroform Chlorophenols Pentachlorophenol 2,4,6-Trichlorophenol Chlorophenoxy herbicides (not necessarily all in group) 4-Chloro-ortho-phenylenediamine CI Acid Red 114 CI Basic Red 9 CI Direct Blue 15 Citrus Red No.2 Cobalt and cobalt compounds Coffee (bladder) para-Cresidine Cycasin Dacarbazine Dantron (1,8-dihydroxyanthraquinone) Daunomycin DDT N,N'-Diacetylbenzidine 4,4'-Diaminodiphenyl ether 2,4-Diaminotoluene Dibenz[a,h]acridine Dibenz[a,j]acridine 7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole Dibenzo[a,e]pyrene Dibenzo[a,h]pyrene Dibenzo[ai]pyrene Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene 1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane para-Dichlorobenzene 3,3'-Dichlorobenzene 3,3'-Dichloro-4,4'-diaminodiphenyl ether 1,2-Dichloroethane Dichloromethane 1,3-Dichloropropene (technical grade) Dichlorvos Diepoxybutane Diesel fuel (marine) Di(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate 1,2-Diethylhydrazine Diglycidyl resorcinol ether Dihydrosafrole Diisopropyl sulfate 3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine para-Dimethylaminoazobenzene trans-2-[(Dimethylamino)methylimino]-5-[2-(5-nitro-2- furyl[vinyl]-1,3,4-oxidiazole 2,6-Dimethylaniline (2,6-Xylidene) 3,3'-Dimethylbenzidine (ortho-tolidine) Dimethylformamide 1,1-Dimethylhydrazine 1,2-Dimethylhydrazine 1,6-Dinitropyrene 1,8-Dinitropyrene 1,4-Dioxane Disperse Blue 1 Ethyl acrylate Ethylene thiourea Ethyl methanesulphonate 2-(2-Formylhydrazino)-4-(5-nitro-2-furyl)thiazole Fuel oils (residual, heavy) Fusarium moniliforme (toxins derived from) Fumonisin B1; Fumonisin B2; Fusarin C Gasoline Gasoline engine exhausts Glasswool Glu-P-1 (2-Amino-6-methyldipyrido[1,2-a:3'2'-d]imidazole) Glu-P-2(-Aminodipyrido[1,2-a:3'2'-d]imidazole) Glycidaldehyde Griseofulvin HC Blue No 1 Heptachlor Hexachlorobenzene Hexachlorocyclohexanes Technical grades alpha isomer gamma isomer (lindane) Hexamethylphosphoramide Hydrazine Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene Iron-dextran complex Isoprene Lasiocarpine Lead and lead compounds (inorganic) Magenta (containing CI Basic Red 9) Man-made mineral fibres (see glasswool, rockwool, slagwool, and ceramic fibres) MeA-a-C (2-Amino-3-methyl-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole) MeIQ (2-Amino-3,4-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]-quinolone) MeIQx (2-Amino-3,8-dimethylamidazo[4,5-f]quinoxaline) Methylmercury compounds (methylmercuric chloride) Merphalan 2-Methylaziridine Methylazoxymethanol and its acetate 5-Methylchrysene 4,4'-Methylenebis(2-methylaniline) 4,4'-Methylenedianiline Methylmethanesulphonate 2-methyl-1-nitroanthraquinone (uncertain purity) N-methyl-N-nitrosourethane Methylthiouracil Metronidazole Mirex Mitomycin Monocrotaline 5-(Morpholinomethyl)-3-[(5-nitrofurfurylidene)amino]-2-oxazolidinone Nafenopin Niridazole 5-Nitroacenaphthene 6-Nitrochrysene Nitrofen (technical grade) 2-Nitrofluorene 1-[(5-Nitrofurfurylidene)amino]-2-imidazolidinone N-[4-(5-Nitro-2-furyl)-2-thiazolyl]acetamide Nitrogen mustard N-oxide Nitrolotriacetic acid and its salts 2-Nitropropane 1-Nitropyrene 4-Nitropyrene N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamine N-Nitrosodiethanolamine N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine 3-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)propionitrile 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK) N-Nitrosomethylethylamine N-Nitrosomethylvinylamine N-Nitrosomorpholine N-Nitrosonornicotine N-Nitrosopiperidene N-Nitrosopyrrolidine N-Nitrososarcosine Ochratoxin A Oil Orange Panfuran S (containing dihydroxymethylfuratzine) Phenazopyridine hydrochloride Phenobarbital Phenoxybenzamine hydrochloride Phenyl glycidyl ether Phenytoin PhIP (2-Amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine Pickled vegetables, traditional Asian Polybrominated biphenyls Ponceau MX Ponceau 3R Potassium bromate 1,3-Propane sultone Propylene oxide (downgraded from 2A) Progestins Medroxyprogesterone acetate á-Propiolactone Propylthiouracil Rockwool Saccharin Safrole Slagwool Sodium ortho-phenylphenate Sterigmatocystin Streptozotocin Styrene Sulfallate 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin (TCDD) Tetrachloroethylene Textile manufacturing (occupational exposures) Thiocetamide 4,4'-Thiodianiline Thiourea Toluene diisocyanates ortho-Toluidine Toxaphene (polychlorinated camphenes) Trichlormethine (trimustine hydrochloride) Trp-P-1 (3-Amino-1,4-dimethyl-5-H-pyrido[4,3-b]indole) Trp-P-2 (3-Amino-1-methyl-5H-pyrido[4,3-b]indole) Trypan blue Uracil mustard Urethane 4-Vinylcyclohexene 4-Vinylcyclohexene diepoxide Welding fumes Wood industries Carpentry and joinery REFERENCES ============ International Agency for Research on Cancer, World Health Organisation, Monographs volumes 1-60, 1972-1994 and Supplement 7 1987. 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Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Amy startd her JRA symptoms after her second Hep B vaccination. Everyone is given that sheet with possible complications, but I don't believe anyone thinks it can happen to their child. Hindsight is 20/20 > Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then came down > with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got better. > The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash were > just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot, and one > week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we got a > diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we never get a > flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did not get a > flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines, and the > doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly don't > know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the 12 year > old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on plaquenil, > naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore throat > recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is the JRA or > allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four days > ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never to put > her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year. Good > luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are all > from around the world. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 hi vaccinations are important but we have to weigh the good with bad melissa we found out is allergic to the MMR one my mom has always said something about the vaccines she barely gave me mine she just didnt like them but with my kids it was manatory before they could go to school my son did great but melissa did ok until we seen the way the MMR did her her last one i was in the ER several times with her due to the side effects since then she has never had to take them cause the dr exempt her now after we found out about melissas allergy to this my sister found out she also was allergic to this MMR and had to start the shots separtately before she could try to get pregnant safe for the baby the flu vaccine i will not let her take my choice when you sign that paper they have you sign before the child gets the shot it will state ALL side effects from the shot the shot is given with a lot # so if any child has a problem they can go back to that lot # out of the lot # given to melissa there were certain percentage of the kids who had reactions now theres a blood test the dr can have done to see if your immune to the measle mumps and rebeulla this will help ALOT if the child cant tolerate it they can give this separately also the shots and benefit sometimes outweigh thins now kids are given the hepetis B shot at birth then a series of them on top of the other shots as each month goes there is also a test done on babys when they are born called a PKU this test will show any problems or should melissa had this test done 2 times due to her birth weight 4 pounds and full term her PKU test was normal always ask the doctor about giveing the shots if you feel a gut feeling please let the doctor know polio has so called been wiped out here in the states polio is dangerous disease smallpox also mumps rebeulla and the rest but with a vaccine we immune our bodys to it so if we come in contact with it we have a better survival rate Robbin PS my vaccine was the kind with the gun that leaves a scar by the 70s it was discontinued to just 1 shot like normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 your right hindsight is 20/20 with this my brothers and sisters all took the vaccines and my mom believes thats what caused speech problems cause after the shots they started haveing speech difficulties one sister after recieveing the shot in the thigh couldnt walk for 6 months i think and all they said was the shot hit something in the leg this child was 5 years old at the time theres side effects to alot in this world thats why i say you have to weigh good and bad here in georgia the child can not enter the school system without the shots up to date and go get a physical and see the hearing dr and eye dr they are strict on this too unless the dr exempts the shot also in day care this has to be done here the goverment provides the shots the side effects to the lot #s given to children if there is any is suppose to be written down and documented and sent back who knows in 5 years we will hear that the stats on this will show so many kids who recieved it and ended up with JRA or something else Robbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 : Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters. I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless> d > Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then came down > with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got better. > The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash were > just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot, and one > week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we got a > diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we never get a > flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did not get a > flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines, and the > doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly don't > know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the 12 year > old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on plaquenil, > naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore throat > recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is the JRA or > allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four days > ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never to put > her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year. Good > luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are all > from around the world. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 i am in georgia here the child should have ALL the vaccines by 5 years old or 4 years old for pre k at the age of 15 the child gets boosters then every 10 years after that at least thats my experience with my son the 10 year booster at 15 the school system will inform you or ask for the shot record when they start high school here that age is 14 and 15 years old Robbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 I am from the US and have never heard of 10 year or 12 year vaccinations. I am curious which ones they are because is due for a tetanus booster for high school next year and since reading about not immunizing with live vaccine I need to talk with the drs on this to see what he needs or is he exempt. It seems like it is always something with our kids. I am so thankful for this group because I have become aware of many different aspects of this disease and its treatment through all of you. If I haven't said it before - THANKS!! Michele T Re: vaccinations : Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters. I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless> d > Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then came down > with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got better. > The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash were > just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot, and one > week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we got a > diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we never get a > flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did not get a > flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines, and the > doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly don't > know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the 12 year > old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on plaquenil, > naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore throat > recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is the JRA or > allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four days > ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never to put > her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year. Good > luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are all > from around the world. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com For links to websites with JRA info please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html To manage your subscription settings, visit: subscribe/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Thats how it is in Chicago too. Pretty close, anyway. The new shot is the hep B which had awhile back. I wanted to tell you I love the strength/courage writing. You are always an inspiration in your replies to eveyone - always an upbeat spin. Thanks. Re: Re: vaccinations i am in georgia here the child should have ALL the vaccines by 5 years old or 4 years old for pre k at the age of 15 the child gets boosters then every 10 years after that at least thats my experience with my son the 10 year booster at 15 the school system will inform you or ask for the shot record when they start high school here that age is 14 and 15 years old Robbin For links to websites with JRA info please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html To manage your subscription settings, visit: subscribe/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 , I have been told by 3 different doctors that a flu shot is recommended because of the childs immune system being so low. , >From: ldelibato@... >Reply- egroups > egroups >Subject: Re: vaccinations >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:49:22 -0000 > >: > >Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the >US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my >daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be >finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence >to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In >the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone >who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters. > I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband >however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless> > > d > > > > > Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then >came down > > with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got >better. > > The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash >were > > just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot, >and one > > week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we >got a > > diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we >never get a > > flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did >not get a > > flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines, >and the > > doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly >don't > > know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the >12 year > > old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on >plaquenil, > > naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore >throat > > recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is >the JRA or > > allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four >days > > ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never >to put > > her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year. > Good > > luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are >all > > from around the world. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 I've heard of someone else not having to get the vaccinations for her son by getting a letter from her clergyman saying it was against her religious beliefs. Barbara > Hi All. I have someone asking me for information that tells, first of all why vacinations are not a good plan and second of all, how to legally not get them. > > Please send any info to her at this address jlgraves@g... Her name is . > > She needs this info immediately as the pressure to get the shots is really intense and she needs the tools to say no. > > On her behalf, Thank you, > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child you will think about this! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Hi Debbie. Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this. Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota??? Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared. I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations. This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed decision. I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else. For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well. Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids. I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out. Blessings. Donna -----Original Message----- Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child you will think about this! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Hi, I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has autism and we think that the shots may have played a role in this. It really made us angry at first but then I think of all of the dreadful diseases he could have contracted if he didn't have the shots. There is plenty of testing in progress for this but I really don't think we will get a clear answer. I guess there's good and bad with everything. While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with IBS since my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble before pregnancy. I had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't remove it. About 6 months later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding with bowel movements so went in to have it removed. Evidently the bleeding was the polyp itself because there was no sign of it during the test. I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time. It seems that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm in misery. I feel and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the bloating. Is this normal for IBS? I'm still trying to detect what foods cause the problems but so far the only thing I've found is overeating; like steak and baked potatoes and speghetti. I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute teacher and sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way that I feel. I would love to be normal. Angie Re: vaccinations Hi Debbie. Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this. Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota??? Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared. I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations. This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed decision. I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else. For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well. Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids. I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out. Blessings. Donna -----Original Message----- Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child you will think about this! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 I agree with Debbie. there are risks in everything but where vaccinations are concerned--esp certain ones--the risks of inaction outweigh the risks of taking the vaccines in my opinion. JP Message: 8 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:10:39 EDT From: Peaches14845@... Subject: Re: vaccinations Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child you will think about this! Debbie ===== " Be Safe, Be Relaxed, Be Good to Yourself. " __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 In Ohio for public school I sign a standard form that the school gives me - I have to fill a new one out every year. I only need to object philosophically and don't need a letter from a minister. I suppose the same will work for daycare and summer camp. barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Where can I find aloe vera juice? Thanks angie Re: vaccinations > > > Hi Debbie. > > Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this. > > Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota??? > > Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared. > > I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations. > > This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed decision. > > I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else. > > For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well. > > Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids. > > I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out. > > Blessings. > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and > man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk > factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running > rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child > you will think about this! > > Debbie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Hi Angie, I suffered with constipation for a very long time and tried just about everything that was suggested. Nothing worked safely and on a long-term basis until I began drinking pure, organic aloe vera juice with each meal. It does not taste good, in my opinion, but mixing it with apple juice or white grape juice masks the flavor a bit. I hope this helps since I know how toxic one feels when they cannot eliminate on a daily basis. Incidentlally, aloe is supposed to be excellent for healing a damaged intestinal tract. S > Hi, > > I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has autism and we think that the shots may have played a role in this. It really made us angry at first but then I think of all of the dreadful diseases he could have contracted if he didn't have the shots. There is plenty of testing in progress for this but I really don't think we will get a clear answer. I guess there's good and bad with everything. > > While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with IBS since my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble before pregnancy. I had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't remove it. About 6 months later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding with bowel movements so went in to have it removed. Evidently the bleeding was the polyp itself because there was no sign of it during the test. > > I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time. It seems that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm in misery. I feel and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the bloating. Is this normal for IBS? I'm still trying to detect what foods cause the problems but so far the only thing I've found is overeating; like steak and baked potatoes and speghetti. > > I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute teacher and sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way that I feel. I would love to be normal. > > Angie > Re: vaccinations > > > Hi Debbie. > > Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this. > > Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota??? > > Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared. > > I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations. > > This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed decision. > > I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else. > > For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well. > > Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids. > > I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out. > > Blessings. > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and > man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk > factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running > rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child > you will think about this! > > Debbie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 It sounds to me like you have candida. I can relate, the bloating, etc sound like candida. cut sugar out of your diet, re-duce your carbs and dairy, and go to borders and buy the book by dr. crook called the yeast connection. or get it at the library. good luck. --- Angie Stacey <rainmom@...> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has > autism and we think that the shots may have played a role in this. > It really made us angry at first but then I think of all of the > dreadful diseases he could have contracted if he didn't have the > shots. There is plenty of testing in progress for this but I really > don't think we will get a clear answer. I guess there's good and bad > with everything. > > While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with > IBS since my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble > before pregnancy. I had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't > remove it. About 6 months later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding > with bowel movements so went in to have it removed. Evidently the > bleeding was the polyp itself because there was no sign of it during > the test. > > I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time. > It seems that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm > in misery. I feel and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the > bloating. Is this normal for IBS? I'm still trying to detect what > foods cause the problems but so far the only thing I've found is > overeating; like steak and baked potatoes and speghetti. > > I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute > teacher and sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way > that I feel. I would love to be normal. > > Angie > Re: vaccinations > > > Hi Debbie. > > Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the > hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really > scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to > autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have > add or adhd because of this. > > Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now > because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio > vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the > polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an > unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M > state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota??? > > Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole > planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the > vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It > just dissappeared. > > I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if > my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take > him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with > mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from > vacinations. > > This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up > this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and > there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general > public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then > research and make an informed decision. > > I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son > did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had > maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else. > > For those who want more info. Go to > ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts > for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite > well. > > Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone > to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is > 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror > stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably > healthy kids. > > I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is > as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't > turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a > better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule > over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out. > > Blessings. > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a > school and > man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and > risk > factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is > running > rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you > love your child > you will think about this! > > Debbie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 Hi all, One more note regarding vaccinations (in addition to my comments yesterday). There have been a few comments on getting " exemptions " (a good idea). Another option to look into is to get " titer tests " done. This is a test where they check the child's EXISTING immunity. Many times vaccination or boosters are not needed in order to have the required immunity. The results of the titer test are then used as an " exemption " -- or something like that. (That is, assuming the test shows that the child has immunity.) Any doctor should be able to order these tests. I really am not the expert on this. If you have questions I recommend asking them on the autism treatment list. Lots of advice there about various ways to avoid immunizations. The danger of immunization is widely recognized on this list as a very serious consideration. Like I said, I'm not that informed about all the details. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 My Sons, also got asthma after their vaccines, no one in our family has ever had asthma. Elaine OT, vaccinations, was enema? > > 1.. Do you feel this has anything to do with why she is not ill? > The vaccinations I mean. > > Yes I do. Despite my doctors saying NO. My boys both started having > chronic illnesses within a week of recieving vaccinations. My older > boy did not recieve the pertussis because they were still using the > live. His problems are more ADD type and ear infections, sinus > infections. My younger boy 4, recieved the pertussis, within a week > he had a bad chest cold, a month he had pneumonia, and then was > diagnosed with asthma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 No vaccine is 100% safe I would tell them to take there time and investigate the issue READ READ READ. Take you time make and informed decison and if in fact they decide to vax do ONE at a time try reading the book by Stepanie Cave its pretty informative. There are lots of sites to read 909shot.com is a good one <A HREF= " http://www.drday.com/vaccination.htm " >vaccinations, vaccines, immunizations, immunity against diseases</A> <A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " > VaccineWebsite.com</A> this one is very good <A HREF= " http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/postpartum/vaccine/index.php " >\ Vaccine Facts</A> this may give a good start for reading I dont want to list to much and over whelm you. I personally think it takes so long to come to a decison my daughter is alomst 2 and we are still researching this. good luck AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle 15 mo from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> <A HREF= " http://babiesonline.com/babies/c/chaela/ " >Chaela, born 12/22/2000</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 > hi everyone, > I want to know if someone can tell me if there are any safe vaccines out there? My son was injured by the DPT 6 years ago. My brother just had a baby girl and he is asking me if there are any safe vaccines. The doctor says that she is not using any vaccine with thimerisol in it. Just looking for some advice. Get Cave's book (you can get it from me at www.noamalgam.com/vaccinations if you want) which discusses how to give them shots so as to reduce risk. If it were my kid I would give zero shots since the medical community has totally destroyed any possibility of having credibility in my eyes .. Others may need more hard experiences before they learn the lesson. Most people would agree that with unknown and wilfully concealed dangers, there is never any reason to get shots for diseases that do not carry a significant risk of morbidity or mortality. For example, chicken pox, flu. And for diseases like hepatitis B where there is no real risk of getting them before puberty, there is also no reason to vaccinate now rather than waiting 12 years and seeing if the problems get worked out, or at least accurate information becomes avaialble. Also note that all doctors say they are using thimerosal free shots. In fact, if you read the vials, most are still using the thimerosal preserved ones on their shelves. So the first prerequisite of any vaccination being administered is that the parent read the vial and then watch the syringe be filled from that vial. Also, of course, no shots if there is any hint the child is sick. Cave's book is really the best place to go for those who still have enough (misguided if you ask me) trust in the medical system to be willing to do ANYTHING for the next few years while some attempt is made to sort out the truth. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 > > Also note that all doctors say they are using thimerosal free shots. > In fact, if you read the vials, most are still using the thimerosal > preserved ones on their shelves. So the first prerequisite of any > vaccination being administered is that the parent read the vial and > then watch the syringe be filled from that vial. > I just ran into this today. As I think about my children and when they regressed, I remembered calling my pediatrician's office about Harper having loose stools. This had been going on for a few weeks before I ever called them because I thought she just had a virus and was waiting for it to go away. I remember telling the nurse that it started shortly after her round of vaccines. The nurse told me Harper was probably teething. Yeah, right. Today I called their office and asked them if they had a record of this call. I didn't say anything about the vaccines, but instead told the nurse that Harper was having further problems and we were trying to get a date when they began. She looked at her chart and said nothing was on it and that she couldn't help me. After it was clear she wasn't going to help me I told her that Harper's problem at this time wasn't teething at all, but instead a reaction to the vaccine that I thought should be reported. She told me there was nothing on her chart that said Harper had a reaction to a vaccine and informed me that none of their vaccines contain mercury. One of them, she said, was made with thimerosol, but then the thimerosol is removed. Harper probably had most of her vaccines while the thimerosol was still on the shelves (and I know it still is). I, of course, attempted to educate the nurse, but I'm sure she didn't believe me. I guess when you poke this garbage into kids it's easier to turn a blind eye to what you're really doing. Okay, so I'm doing a bit of venting here. Sorry. Annissa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 it's ok to vent... I can't stop reliving what vaccines have done to my son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 Hello. If you have epilepsy, you are more ceptable to get virus' and any other germ that is around you for all anti-convulicent medications lowers your immune system. And if you have children, it would be to thier best interest to have thier shots because ther are far more people out there carring virus' and illness' that we cant see with the human eye. You deal with the public more than you did when you were a child, and so will your children. Such as schools, stores, and any place where the public is located. We cant shield our children behind closed doors to keep them safe, but we can give them a fighting chance with the proper health needs to start off. Of course this is only my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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