vaccinations

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:

Basically all you can do is research it and then do what feels right for

you. If you are aware of the pros and cons of both sides then you can make

an informed choice.

My son has epilepsy. He's 13 and had all his shots. The doctors insist

that his seizures are not the result of any vaccinations (his seizures

started about 6 weeks after having the Measles booster at age 6 years)

because of his seizure type. I'm still not completely convinced and at this

time have no intention of giving him (or his younger sister) any more shots.

We've already refused the Hep B that they give here when kids are 12. I

don't know what I'll do about the tetanus shot he'll " need " in a year or

two. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I were to have a baby now. I've

certainly read a lot more about the pros and cons than I did when my

children were babies. There are scary statistics on both sides of the

situation.

My son's immune system seems just fine. He hardly ever gets sick in any way

(absences from school are all doctors appointments not sicknesses) and he

never has. My husband is the same way, so perhaps the strength of your

immune system has something to do with your genes and it can overcome the

AED problems. I've never heard before that AEDs can weaken your immune

system, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Sorry for being so verbose.

>From: McHaffie <nhoj@...>

>Subject: Re: [ ] ot - Vaccination Schedules 1980 through 1993

>Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:36:06 -0800

>.....

>I also agree about children needing vaccinations, but worry about it as

>well since I never had any and I've always been ok, even when there are

>local outbreaks of pox or flu etc.

>

>I don't know about everyone else, but I am always going to worry whether

>my future child might be the 1 in whatever that gets hurt from something

>they shouldn't.

>

>....

>Since JME is 'possibly' genetic, that's another reason I worry about

>vaccinations because being epileptic supposedly decreases the immune

>systems strength, even though mine hasn't ( I am 29 years old). What if

>my child 'inherits' JME and does have immune system problems... I think

>you see my worry and how I feel like I'm in a catch-22 so to speak. Do I

>don't I. I know they need it, but at what cost?

>

>I'll figure it out, and will probably have my child/ren vaccinated.

>Honestly... it just scares me with all of the unknown variables.

>Especially epilepsy being in the mix. Also makes me wonder if I should

>even have children altogether ( I don't have any right now, but it is a

>decision I will be forced to make in the immediate future). They don't

>KNOW for sure JME is hereditary, and in my case it can't be found in

>family history, but there is always the chance. Hard decision for us for

>certain.

>

>I'm still researching both ideas and the effect my epilepsy will have

>and what I should do. And of course researching my own ideas and hopes

>for my epilepsy at the same time.

>

>Anyway, enough of my verbiage for the day!

>

>

>

>

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Interestingly, and not to ding it on everyone so much, but having no

illnesses

or not getting sick does not necessarily mean you have a strong immune

system.

Let me illustrate...

Kids with autism RARELY get sick, they rarely have the major colds and flus!

HMM?

When I asked this of other parents, we came up with why. Becuase our

children have

stuck TH2 or TH1 which focuses in different paramaters of the immune system

and even

viruses or infections, we found becuase they are stuck, the body is paying

attention

to the LARGE FINITE viruses, but not paying attention to the smaller,

inocuous and stealth

viruses, this including the now retrofitted viruses manmade origins from

VACCINES!

Another illustration...

I go to my pediatrician with a concern regarding autism symptoms in my kids,

GASTRO..

She says to me, " but Kathy, your kids are never here, and I wonder if you

can even say

they have a poor immune system " ? My answer back to her is " do you think

autism/

gastrointestinal problems chronic, stealth virus, seizures is a state of

HEALTH? " ?

Needless to say, she was dumbstruck! We also see in our children that when

they

have FEVERS that finally prompts the immune system to go after the infinite

viruses,

that they start to act better, or in other words, the viruses that are

causing autism are

getting " worked on " . This is evident when speech production is up,

compatability,

socialness etc. When you test for the small retrofitted viruses in our

kids, they are

abundantly showing that our children are fighting a very sneaky and

disgusting virus!

They are fighting SCMV, HHV6 etc, New manipulated strains of childhood

illnesses which

attack gut and brain. We should really start thinking that epilepsy in

some cases are

the result of an immune system STUCK, and going into autoimmune phases.

People with

autoimmune diseases are also found to not get the y early flus and colds!

WHY? Becuase

once the FINITE viruses and easily attacked viruses are more strong in their

SENSING of

a virus, than the VIRUSES that are dormant, hidden or cloaked. The is also

seen in HIV.

Interestingly, MEASELS and HIV act much the same!~ See the last proposal on

CHILDSCREEN, www.childscreen.org and read why I am saying this.

Kathy

Re: [ ] ot - Vaccination Schedules 1980 through 1993

> >Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:36:06 -0800

> >.....

> >I also agree about children needing vaccinations, but worry about it as

> >well since I never had any and I've always been ok, even when there are

> >local outbreaks of pox or flu etc.

> >

> >I don't know about everyone else, but I am always going to worry whether

> >my future child might be the 1 in whatever that gets hurt from something

> >they shouldn't.

> >

> >....

> >Since JME is 'possibly' genetic, that's another reason I worry about

> >vaccinations because being epileptic supposedly decreases the immune

> >systems strength, even though mine hasn't ( I am 29 years old). What if

> >my child 'inherits' JME and does have immune system problems... I think

> >you see my worry and how I feel like I'm in a catch-22 so to speak. Do I

> >don't I. I know they need it, but at what cost?

> >

> >I'll figure it out, and will probably have my child/ren vaccinated.

> >Honestly... it just scares me with all of the unknown variables.

> >Especially epilepsy being in the mix. Also makes me wonder if I should

> >even have children altogether ( I don't have any right now, but it is a

> >decision I will be forced to make in the immediate future). They don't

> >KNOW for sure JME is hereditary, and in my case it can't be found in

> >family history, but there is always the chance. Hard decision for us for

> >certain.

> >

> >I'm still researching both ideas and the effect my epilepsy will have

> >and what I should do. And of course researching my own ideas and hopes

> >for my epilepsy at the same time.

> >

> >Anyway, enough of my verbiage for the day!

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Kathy:

WOW!! That was eye-opening! How do I check for this stuck TH1 and TH2?

And what are they? I guess I should also figure out a way to test for the

stealth viruses. I've been reading your emails for a while now and never

really felt it was connected with my son. Now I'm not so sure. Thanks for

the kick in the pants.

I don't know whether I read it right, but you said that when the fever does

come then they get better? When my son had a fever last February his

seizures disappeared for 7 days (he had been having a few each day up until

then). Does that mean it is really likely that he has a stuck TH1 or TH2?

>From: " " <kblanco@...>

>Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:10:17 -0800

>

>

>Interestingly, and not to ding it on everyone so much, but having no

>illnesses

>or not getting sick does not necessarily mean you have a strong immune

>system.

>Let me illustrate...

>Kids with autism RARELY get sick, they rarely have the major colds and

>flus!

>HMM?

>When I asked this of other parents, we came up with why. Becuase our

>children have

>stuck TH2 or TH1 which focuses in different paramaters of the immune system

>and even

>viruses or infections, we found becuase they are stuck, the body is paying

>attention

>to the LARGE FINITE viruses, but not paying attention to the smaller,

>inocuous and stealth

>viruses, this including the now retrofitted viruses manmade origins from

>VACCINES!

>Another illustration...

>I go to my pediatrician with a concern regarding autism symptoms in my

>kids,

>GASTRO..

>She says to me, " but Kathy, your kids are never here, and I wonder if you

>can even say

>they have a poor immune system " ? My answer back to her is " do you think

>autism/

>gastrointestinal problems chronic, stealth virus, seizures is a state of

>HEALTH? " ?

>Needless to say, she was dumbstruck! We also see in our children that

>when

>they

>have FEVERS that finally prompts the immune system to go after the infinite

>viruses,

>that they start to act better, or in other words, the viruses that are

>causing autism are

>getting " worked on " . This is evident when speech production is up,

>compatability,

>socialness etc. When you test for the small retrofitted viruses in our

>kids, they are

>abundantly showing that our children are fighting a very sneaky and

>disgusting virus!

>They are fighting SCMV, HHV6 etc, New manipulated strains of childhood

>illnesses which

>attack gut and brain. We should really start thinking that epilepsy in

>some cases are

>the result of an immune system STUCK, and going into autoimmune phases.

>People with

>autoimmune diseases are also found to not get the y early flus and colds!

>WHY? Becuase

>once the FINITE viruses and easily attacked viruses are more strong in

>their

>SENSING of

>a virus, than the VIRUSES that are dormant, hidden or cloaked. The is also

>seen in HIV.

>Interestingly, MEASELS and HIV act much the same!~ See the last proposal

>on

>CHILDSCREEN, www.childscreen.org and read why I am saying this.

>Kathy

>

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: McLauchlan <slmclauchlan@...>

>Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:23 AM

>

> > :

> > Basically all you can do is research it and then do what feels right for

> > you. If you are aware of the pros and cons of both sides then you can

>make

> > an informed choice.

> >

> > My son has epilepsy. He's 13 and had all his shots. The doctors insist

> > that his seizures are not the result of any vaccinations (his seizures

> > started about 6 weeks after having the Measles booster at age 6 years)

> > because of his seizure type. I'm still not completely convinced and at

>this

> > time have no intention of giving him (or his younger sister) any more

>shots.

> > We've already refused the Hep B that they give here when kids are 12.

>I

> > don't know what I'll do about the tetanus shot he'll " need " in a year or

> > two. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I were to have a baby now.

>I've

> > certainly read a lot more about the pros and cons than I did when my

> > children were babies. There are scary statistics on both sides of the

> > situation.

> >

> > My son's immune system seems just fine. He hardly ever gets sick in any

>way

> > (absences from school are all doctors appointments not sicknesses) and

>he

> > never has. My husband is the same way, so perhaps the strength of your

> > immune system has something to do with your genes and it can overcome

>the

> > AED problems. I've never heard before that AEDs can weaken your immune

> > system, but it wouldn't surprise me.

> >

> > Sorry for being so verbose.

> >

> >

> >

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Yes, you can see that epilepsy and autism are very much connected wierdly,

in that

if the child does get a fever, it addresses the INITIAL and CONCRETE viruses

that

are laying dormant in the body. My opinion is that the STEALTH VIRUS, would

test

100 per cent positive on this entire list! I could wager that if I was

rich LOL...

I will remind all, it is not easy to get a physician on board with this

mindset unless they

were very very attune to the medical journals at present and conferences on

sv-40. You

can get a transcript of this new fear factor from the latest NVIC meeting on

909shots.com.

I had to hit my insurance and physician ogranizations pretty hard to test

for this virus and

have it PAID by them, if not, your out 500.00 out of pocket. But believe me

when I say,

they told me to sit down when I heard the news the ENTIRE family had the

virus, not just

the kids with autism. Needless to say, my children without autism are going

to be quite aware

of who they marry, how their immune system works, and ultimately not to

vaccinate a child

who is already infected, since childhood vaccines dive the immune system to

that of an AIDS

patient, and that wakes up the cytokines in the virus.

The TH1 and TH2 test are routinely done with immunologist, and or

IMMUNOSCIENCE LABS (do word search)

or other good labs such as GREAT PLAINS or GREAT SMOKIES. You can also

get a good paper

on that from My researcher friend Williss Langford at willissl@... and

you can read extenstively

why I am making a point on this. Just becuase we have the absence of

illnesses does not necessrily

mean we are doing fine and peachy! I will have him send it to you email.

One must wonder if we all have been mindblasted on what TRUE HEALTH IS?

LOL... This comes becuase

we seemingly don't produce symptoms, but walk as zombies on the planet in a

droned state of so called health.

This is evident when you stop at a red light and just look around LOL....

They think cancer and autism is an epidemic, wait till they tested everyone

for this virus as it dulls the personality,

the lilt in your step so to speak, and even makes you incapable of putting

one thought in front of the next!

Kathy

Re: [ ] Vaccinations

> Kathy:

> WOW!! That was eye-opening! How do I check for this stuck TH1 and TH2?

> And what are they? I guess I should also figure out a way to test for the

> stealth viruses. I've been reading your emails for a while now and never

> really felt it was connected with my son. Now I'm not so sure. Thanks

for

> the kick in the pants.

>

> I don't know whether I read it right, but you said that when the fever

does

> come then they get better? When my son had a fever last February his

> seizures disappeared for 7 days (he had been having a few each day up

until

> then). Does that mean it is really likely that he has a stuck TH1 or TH2?

>

>

>

> >From: " " <kblanco@...>

> >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:10:17 -0800

> >

> >

> >Interestingly, and not to ding it on everyone so much, but having no

> >illnesses

> >or not getting sick does not necessarily mean you have a strong immune

> >system.

> >Let me illustrate...

> >Kids with autism RARELY get sick, they rarely have the major colds and

> >flus!

> >HMM?

> >When I asked this of other parents, we came up with why. Becuase our

> >children have

> >stuck TH2 or TH1 which focuses in different paramaters of the immune

system

> >and even

> >viruses or infections, we found becuase they are stuck, the body is

paying

> >attention

> >to the LARGE FINITE viruses, but not paying attention to the smaller,

> >inocuous and stealth

> >viruses, this including the now retrofitted viruses manmade origins from

> >VACCINES!

> >Another illustration...

> >I go to my pediatrician with a concern regarding autism symptoms in my

> >kids,

> >GASTRO..

> >She says to me, " but Kathy, your kids are never here, and I wonder if you

> >can even say

> >they have a poor immune system " ? My answer back to her is " do you think

> >autism/

> >gastrointestinal problems chronic, stealth virus, seizures is a state of

> >HEALTH? " ?

> >Needless to say, she was dumbstruck! We also see in our children that

> >when

> >they

> >have FEVERS that finally prompts the immune system to go after the

infinite

> >viruses,

> >that they start to act better, or in other words, the viruses that are

> >causing autism are

> >getting " worked on " . This is evident when speech production is up,

> >compatability,

> >socialness etc. When you test for the small retrofitted viruses in our

> >kids, they are

> >abundantly showing that our children are fighting a very sneaky and

> >disgusting virus!

> >They are fighting SCMV, HHV6 etc, New manipulated strains of childhood

> >illnesses which

> >attack gut and brain. We should really start thinking that epilepsy in

> >some cases are

> >the result of an immune system STUCK, and going into autoimmune phases.

> >People with

> >autoimmune diseases are also found to not get the y early flus and colds!

> >WHY? Becuase

> >once the FINITE viruses and easily attacked viruses are more strong in

> >their

> >SENSING of

> >a virus, than the VIRUSES that are dormant, hidden or cloaked. The is

also

> >seen in HIV.

> >Interestingly, MEASELS and HIV act much the same!~ See the last proposal

> >on

> >CHILDSCREEN, www.childscreen.org and read why I am saying this.

> >Kathy

> >

> >

> >----- Original Message -----

> >From: McLauchlan <slmclauchlan@...>

> >Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:23 AM

> >

> > > :

> > > Basically all you can do is research it and then do what feels right

for

> > > you. If you are aware of the pros and cons of both sides then you can

> >make

> > > an informed choice.

> > >

> > > My son has epilepsy. He's 13 and had all his shots. The doctors

insist

> > > that his seizures are not the result of any vaccinations (his seizures

> > > started about 6 weeks after having the Measles booster at age 6 years)

> > > because of his seizure type. I'm still not completely convinced and

at

> >this

> > > time have no intention of giving him (or his younger sister) any more

> >shots.

> > > We've already refused the Hep B that they give here when kids are

12.

> >I

> > > don't know what I'll do about the tetanus shot he'll " need " in a year

or

> > > two. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I were to have a baby now.

> >I've

> > > certainly read a lot more about the pros and cons than I did when my

> > > children were babies. There are scary statistics on both sides of the

> > > situation.

> > >

> > > My son's immune system seems just fine. He hardly ever gets sick in

any

> >way

> > > (absences from school are all doctors appointments not sicknesses) and

> >he

> > > never has. My husband is the same way, so perhaps the strength of

your

> > > immune system has something to do with your genes and it can overcome

> >the

> > > AED problems. I've never heard before that AEDs can weaken your

immune

> > > system, but it wouldn't surprise me.

> > >

> > > Sorry for being so verbose.

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

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I didn't answer the most important question below, and yes, I think it is an

indication

of a stuck Th1 or Th2. Do a word search also on JANE EL-DAHR and she has

extensive

stuff on this problem in autoimmunity. She may also have articles on the

autism research institute home page?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Vaccinations

> Kathy:

> WOW!! That was eye-opening! How do I check for this stuck TH1 and TH2?

> And what are they? I guess I should also figure out a way to test for the

> stealth viruses. I've been reading your emails for a while now and never

> really felt it was connected with my son. Now I'm not so sure. Thanks

for

> the kick in the pants.

>

> I don't know whether I read it right, but you said that when the fever

does

> come then they get better? When my son had a fever last February his

> seizures disappeared for 7 days (he had been having a few each day up

until

> then). Does that mean it is really likely that he has a stuck TH1 or TH2?

>

>

>

> >From: " " <kblanco@...>

> >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:10:17 -0800

> >

> >

> >Interestingly, and not to ding it on everyone so much, but having no

> >illnesses

> >or not getting sick does not necessarily mean you have a strong immune

> >system.

> >Let me illustrate...

> >Kids with autism RARELY get sick, they rarely have the major colds and

> >flus!

> >HMM?

> >When I asked this of other parents, we came up with why. Becuase our

> >children have

> >stuck TH2 or TH1 which focuses in different paramaters of the immune

system

> >and even

> >viruses or infections, we found becuase they are stuck, the body is

paying

> >attention

> >to the LARGE FINITE viruses, but not paying attention to the smaller,

> >inocuous and stealth

> >viruses, this including the now retrofitted viruses manmade origins from

> >VACCINES!

> >Another illustration...

> >I go to my pediatrician with a concern regarding autism symptoms in my

> >kids,

> >GASTRO..

> >She says to me, " but Kathy, your kids are never here, and I wonder if you

> >can even say

> >they have a poor immune system " ? My answer back to her is " do you think

> >autism/

> >gastrointestinal problems chronic, stealth virus, seizures is a state of

> >HEALTH? " ?

> >Needless to say, she was dumbstruck! We also see in our children that

> >when

> >they

> >have FEVERS that finally prompts the immune system to go after the

infinite

> >viruses,

> >that they start to act better, or in other words, the viruses that are

> >causing autism are

> >getting " worked on " . This is evident when speech production is up,

> >compatability,

> >socialness etc. When you test for the small retrofitted viruses in our

> >kids, they are

> >abundantly showing that our children are fighting a very sneaky and

> >disgusting virus!

> >They are fighting SCMV, HHV6 etc, New manipulated strains of childhood

> >illnesses which

> >attack gut and brain. We should really start thinking that epilepsy in

> >some cases are

> >the result of an immune system STUCK, and going into autoimmune phases.

> >People with

> >autoimmune diseases are also found to not get the y early flus and colds!

> >WHY? Becuase

> >once the FINITE viruses and easily attacked viruses are more strong in

> >their

> >SENSING of

> >a virus, than the VIRUSES that are dormant, hidden or cloaked. The is

also

> >seen in HIV.

> >Interestingly, MEASELS and HIV act much the same!~ See the last proposal

> >on

> >CHILDSCREEN, www.childscreen.org and read why I am saying this.

> >Kathy

> >

> >

> >----- Original Message -----

> >From: McLauchlan <slmclauchlan@...>

> >Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:23 AM

> >

> > > :

> > > Basically all you can do is research it and then do what feels right

for

> > > you. If you are aware of the pros and cons of both sides then you can

> >make

> > > an informed choice.

> > >

> > > My son has epilepsy. He's 13 and had all his shots. The doctors

insist

> > > that his seizures are not the result of any vaccinations (his seizures

> > > started about 6 weeks after having the Measles booster at age 6 years)

> > > because of his seizure type. I'm still not completely convinced and

at

> >this

> > > time have no intention of giving him (or his younger sister) any more

> >shots.

> > > We've already refused the Hep B that they give here when kids are

12.

> >I

> > > don't know what I'll do about the tetanus shot he'll " need " in a year

or

> > > two. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I were to have a baby now.

> >I've

> > > certainly read a lot more about the pros and cons than I did when my

> > > children were babies. There are scary statistics on both sides of the

> > > situation.

> > >

> > > My son's immune system seems just fine. He hardly ever gets sick in

any

> >way

> > > (absences from school are all doctors appointments not sicknesses) and

> >he

> > > never has. My husband is the same way, so perhaps the strength of

your

> > > immune system has something to do with your genes and it can overcome

> >the

> > > AED problems. I've never heard before that AEDs can weaken your

immune

> > > system, but it wouldn't surprise me.

> > >

> > > Sorry for being so verbose.

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

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It's the mercury (and aluminum and formalydehyde) and the fact that there are

too many too soon on an infant's undeveloped immune system. It also appears

that while the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines by themselves are safe,

when it's given in a combined MMR it's wreaking havoc on some kid's bodies.

This is in process of being proven and yet the pharmeceuticals/fda/cdc still

won't separate the shots. It's insane

In a message dated 12/2/2002 4:35:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

AngeliqueW28@... writes:

> I am getting in on the tail end of this. Is it the vaccines that are bad,

> or the fact that they may contain mercury?

> Lake260@... wrote:I found this while searching the web, it's the

> immunization schedules from

> 1980 through 1993. It shows how the # and types of vaccines increased

> through the years. My son was " lucky " enough to be born in Feb. 1994 just

> in

> time for the addition of the Hep. B vaccine. I'd really like to know who

> looks at this schedule and thinks it's a good idea to put so much junk into

> a

> little baby's body. In 1980 a child received 11 vaccines (25 different

> viruses -19 of them by 18 mos of age) by age 4 to 6 that grew to at least

> 20

> vaccines (34 different viruses -27 of them by 18 mos of age) by 1993.

>

> IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE

> 1980

> 2 Months DPT/OPV #1

> 4 Months DPT/OPV #2

> 6 Months DPT/OPV #3

> 15 Months MMR

> 18 Months DPT/OPV #4

> 4 to 6 Years DPT/OPV #5

> 14 to 16 Years dT

>

> IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE

> 1985

> 2 Months DPT/OPV #1

> 4 Months DPT/OPV #2

> 6 Months DPT/OPV #3

> 15 Months MMR

> 18 Months DPT/OPV #4

> HIB*

> 4 to 6 Years DPT/OPV #5

> 14 to 16 Years dT

>

>

> IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE

> 1989 (*)

> 2 Months DPT/OPV #1

> 4 Months DPT/OPV #2

> 6 Months DPT/OPV #3

> Measles*

> 15 Months MMR(could be given at 12 Months), HIB

> 18 Months DPT/OPV #4

> 5 Years MMR #2*

> 6 Years DPT/OPV #5

> 10 Years MMR #2*

> 14 to 16 Years dT

>

> *Change in Measles Vaccination

> The American Academy of Pediatricians recommended a booster dose of Measles

>

> Vaccine to be administered as the MMR, and to be given to children in the

> Middle School, i.e., at the age of 10 or 11 years. The main concern at this

>

> time was to aid the population of non-responders to the initial MMR, and to

>

> boost and/or elicit a response at an age where most of disease was

> occuring.The Advisory Committee For Immunization Practices (ACIP), a branch

>

> of the CDC, recommended the booster dose of measles be administered as the

> MMR at the age of 5 years. Their concern was patient control. As children

> entered school, they appeared at Health Clinics to receive the required

> immunizations for admission to school, and therefore they had some control

> of

> the children in regards to their immunizations

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

Have you considered having your sons titers checked? They'll draw blood and

check to see if he's immune to MMR. If so, you don't have to give him the

shot. The Dr. will probably want to recheck it in a couple of years. This

is what I'm doing with my kids.

Amber

[Guest guest]

You need to ask to see the vials(or the box they came

in) before they give them to your son, that way, you

can see the ingredients. If it contains themersol,

then tell them you will bring him back when they

purchase vacc. that are themersol free. Remember that

he is your son and you do not have to give him the

vacc. if you don't want to. They should understand

this.

Brock

--- DEBBIE COPPLE <kdcop@...> wrote:

> My son is going for his 5 year old physical on the

> 7th. I'm nervous about the shots. He will be

> getting the MMR and the DTAP (?). The nurse told me

> over the phone that these shots were thermasol (sp?)

> free; however, she didn't even really seem to know

> what I was talking about - so I still don't really

> know. Does anyone know if these are the shots with

> that ingredient and how could I find out for sure if

> it is in the batch that they give him?

>

> Thanks!

> Debbie

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Please, anyone correct me if this is not exactly right, but I have done quite a

bit of research into the vaccine and Thimerasol issue, and my understanding is

that all vaccines were required to be Thimerasol-free by the end of 2001. I'm

pretty sure that it was removed from the manufacturing process around April

2001, and doctor's offices were allowed to continue using their stockpiles

through the end of the year (2001).

I would then feel fairly confident that the shots that your son is to receive

are Thimerasol-free, although it never hurts to get the lot #s and call the

manufacturer(s) ahead of time.

Hope this helps,

Renn

[ ] vaccinations

My son is going for his 5 year old physical on the 7th. I'm nervous about the

shots. He will be getting the MMR and the DTAP (?). The nurse told me over the

phone that these shots were thermasol (sp?) free; however, she didn't even

really seem to know what I was talking about - so I still don't really know.

Does anyone know if these are the shots with that ingredient and how could I

find out for sure if it is in the batch that they give him?

Thanks!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

I have some strong feelings on this! Do not get 5 vaccines in the

same day and that is what they are asking you to do. If my doctor

was going to suggest my 6 year old get up- dated on his

vaccinations I would probable lie and say he was not feeling well

symptoms of the flu yesterday rather than deal with tring to talk to

him about the safty of them. By the way my doctor and I have

agreement not to talk about vaccine he is waiting for me to bring

it up, this is not usually like this and many parents are being kick

out of the doctors office because they refuse vaccination It is a

HOT issue. Do what you feel is best. There are test to see if your

little one already has ammunity to these already too. Ann

]

[Guest guest]

We had a case of whooping cough (pertussis) in my daughter's mom and tot (3

years old). I hadn't heard of that one in years. So these diseases are

still out there.

Sandy, Illinois

[Guest guest]

The test for immunity for MMR has to be repeated yearly to see if

they still have the immunity.

Just for everyone's info, measles is definitely still around a mom

in my twin's group one of her infant twins just had measles. I

don't know how he is doing, but he was very sick.

Suzi

> I have some strong feelings on this! Do not get 5 vaccines in

the

> same day and that is what they are asking you to do. If my doctor

> was going to suggest my 6 year old get up- dated on his

> vaccinations I would probable lie and say he was not feeling well

> symptoms of the flu yesterday rather than deal with tring to talk

to

> him about the safty of them. By the way my doctor and I have

> agreement not to talk about vaccine he is waiting for me to bring

> it up, this is not usually like this and many parents are being

kick

> out of the doctors office because they refuse vaccination It is a

> HOT issue. Do what you feel is best. There are test to see if

your

> little one already has ammunity to these already too. Ann

> ]

[Guest guest]

There is no thimersol in the MMR shot however if he has had one MMR you can

ask to have him titre tested to avoid the need for the second shot

altogether and have the pediatrician sign off on his immunization record for

the school that he is immune to measles. The measles part of the MMR is the

ONLY one that is required on the second dose. Why give a shot they don't

need?

There is thimersol in the DTaP shot unless it is a recent batch. Ask to

read the insert and read the list of ingredients yourself to confirm that

there is none in the actual shot your son will receive. Personally, I would

only allow one injection at a time but of course you are the expert on your

child and should make your own decisions.

Good luck!

Tammy in Oregon

[ ] vaccinations

> My son is going for his 5 year old physical on the 7th. I'm nervous about

the shots. He will be getting the MMR and the DTAP (?). The nurse told me

over the phone that these shots were thermasol (sp?) free; however, she

didn't even really seem to know what I was talking about - so I still don't

really know. Does anyone know if these are the shots with that ingredient

and how could I find out for sure if it is in the batch that they give him?

>

> Thanks!

> Debbie

[Guest guest]

My son got whooping cough following a booster for it.....coincidence....I don't

think so. Do you happen to know if the mom and/or tot had recently had an

immunization against whooping cough? Maybe that's what caused it...sorry a

little touchy on this one since the cough ended up causing a bleed...child

coughed up blood for over a year. He was " boosted " against my orders and you

can BET that will never happen again.

Annemarie

Re: [ ] Re: vaccinations

We had a case of whooping cough (pertussis) in my daughter's mom and tot (3

years old). I hadn't heard of that one in years. So these diseases are

still out there.

Sandy, Illinois

[Guest guest]

Good point, Annemarie - I never would have thought of that. Unfortunately, I

have no idea who it was (there are 2 different classes and I don't know which

one had the sick kid), and so don't really have any way of finding out. I

just assumed the child hadn't been vaccinated. Guess I shouldn't have jumped

to that conclusion...

Sandy, Illinois

[Guest guest]

The test for immunity for any of us could show we no longer have immunity. So

make your best educated choices.

[ ] Re: vaccinations

The test for immunity for MMR has to be repeated yearly to see if

they still have the immunity.

Just for everyone's info, measles is definitely still around a mom

in my twin's group one of her infant twins just had measles. I

don't know how he is doing, but he was very sick.

Suzi

[Guest guest]

I am a wreck as well. You can bet that I won't let him get more than

1 at a time. In terms of the MMR there was talk about this to

separate the 3 into 3 different shots as well. This is hard to come

by. Another option is to ask for the titre test to see if he still

has enough antibodies from his initial shots.

Good luck!

denise

> My son is going for his 5 year old physical on the 7th. I'm

nervous about the shots. He will be getting the MMR and the DTAP

(?). The nurse told me over the phone that these shots were

thermasol (sp?) free; however, she didn't even really seem to know

what I was talking about - so I still don't really know. Does anyone

know if these are the shots with that ingredient and how could I find

out for sure if it is in the batch that they give him?

>

> Thanks!

> Debbie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

The MMR never has contained thimerosal - it is three live virus'.

The " autism " from this jab is thought to come from the combined jab

interefering wth the bodies response and allowing the measles to

colonise the gut . The damage to the gut then affects the brain .

This is what happened to my son. (* vets abandoned a combined jab

including TB as the live virus' mixed together and caused problems -

but they did more intensive tests on the jab for animals than for

kids - go figure ) .

The first MMR jab offers immunity to 90% of children first time so

90% of children don't need the booster. They jab the whole population

because it is cheaper than testing first and only jabbing those that

need it. BUT - if your child for some reason resists the jab what

possible evidence is there that it will take a second time !!

Medicine isn't math ! Your child may simply not be responding or

rejecting the jab ....no one knows as children aren't titre tested if

they have to have a second jab.

Thimerosal will be listed on the ingredients - if you want to be sure

then you ask for the insert slip and read it . Although thimerosal

was removed from new formulations ( note the pharaceutical companies

were " asked " - it was not banned !?! ) ...the injections have a long

shelf life and the companies were allowed to sell all existing stock

( so its dangerous enough that it should be removed but god forbid

anyone loose money) ..so your Doctor may well still have this in his

practice.

If the staff don't know about thimerosal then ( to be frank !!) I

would not let them anywhere near my kid as preseumeably they haven't

bothered to keep up on research re not immunisuizing children with

recent illness, temperature or on anti-biotics....how can they

possibly advise you ?

The dpT is the injection which has the second highest record of

parent reported serious side effects ..second only to the MMR . The

highest reported adverse reactions are epilepsy, developmental

problem and third, speech problems .

For MMR the highest reported adverse reaction from parents is not

autism but speech problems ...........

.....but what do parents know ?

Parent reported reactions are worth looking at as many doctors refuse

to report themselves - as my GP did with Charlie even though he is

actually obliged to on the yellow ticket system .

My feeling is that only certain children are vulnerable to these jabs

and that is indicated by things like allergies and stomach problems ,

and that is a general judgement call.

BUT BUT BUT a pre existing condition or family history of speech

problems /developmental delay or autism would absoloutely ,

unquestioningly cause me to decline .

My opinion only of course but I think that combination jabs are

unessecary and dangerous . No one yet has been able to explain to me

why at two ,three and four months my baby needs a tetnus jab.

But that is of course just my opinion too.

Put thimerosal into your search function and read less biased views

LOL !! Having read the info available I am considering not only the

need and desirability of some of these jabs for my baby daughter ,

but also the time frame .They get jabbed so often so small !!

Regards

Deborah

> > My son is going for his 5 year old physical on the 7th. I'm

> nervous about the shots. He will be getting the MMR and the DTAP

> (?). The nurse told me over the phone that these shots were

> thermasol (sp?) free; however, she didn't even really seem to know

> what I was talking about - so I still don't really know. Does

anyone

> know if these are the shots with that ingredient and how could I

find

> out for sure if it is in the batch that they give him?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Debbie

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just wondering if anyone from Florida has any

experience using the religious waiver for vaccines? My

pediatrician is not very supportive, so I cannot get a

medical waiver. I have done some research, and it

sounds like the religious option is a possibility.

However, I would feel more comfortable if I could be

in touch with someone who has some experience here. My

daughter is in a EIP program run by Dade County, and I

would hate to see her being denied services because I

did not go about this correctly.

Thanks, Yael

[Guest guest]

Hi debbie

Sorry - I'm so dippy I didn't even answer your question !!

Thimerosal has been contained in jabs since the immunisation

programme began ...there has never been any safety testing on it . It

is not a component of the " medicine " part of the jab it is just one

of the ingredients they put in to hold the vaccine and move it

through the body . It is usuallly as much as 50% mercury - the second

most toxic substance on the planet . There are therefore many obvious

reasons why this is increasingly being associated with autism. The

prevalence of autism is thought to be on the increase ( by those who

support a connection) because the vaccination schedule has exploded

so that many children in the last ten years have had more than ten

jabs before they are 5. The combined toxic load of so many jabs will

put kids over the safe level for mercury ( although how much would

the average person consider safe to inject into their child ?).

It isn't necessary and the pharmaceutical companies have started to

remove it from childhood jabs..........

..........so who knows - maybe they will next consider taking out the

fomaldyhyde ..or the aluminum .......or is that me just being a

dreamer .....Vaccines - a blessing , a miracle of science , a life

saver to millions, really - what a gift from science - could we

just spend a few pence more and take the crap out of them ?

Regards

Deborah

put Dpt or Thimerosal into your search engine if you want more . Ok

IF you want more LOL !! ? ...I am climbing slowly down off my

soapbox and will put it away for a while ....

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Here's a site with the exemption info for each state:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm

Here is a group that seems to have people from around the world

on it. So you might find someone who has used the religious exemption.

Vaccinations/

Good luck!

> Just wondering if anyone from Florida has any

> experience using the religious waiver for vaccines? My

> pediatrician is not very supportive, so I cannot get a

> medical waiver. I have done some research, and it

> sounds like the religious option is a possibility.

> However, I would feel more comfortable if I could be

> in touch with someone who has some experience here. My

> daughter is in a EIP program run by Dade County, and I

> would hate to see her being denied services because I

> did not go about this correctly.

> Thanks, Yael

[Guest guest]

I'm having a hard time believing your message if you are 13. Whether

you are AS or NT, I would not expect a 13 year old to use the

descriptive language that is in the post.

W

--- In , " B " <eboresow@y...>

wrote:

> Would like a fast reply...I'm 13 with AS. I have a NT sister, a

> brother with ADD and AS, and a 4 year old brother. The already

dx'd

> brother reacted to his MMR and DTP (or is it DPT?). I had the MMR

> and oral polio and a bunch of other stuff. My 4-yr-old brother

just

> got his DTP 2 days ago. He had a huge reaction that started last

> night, over 24 hrs after the DTP (we refused MMR vaccines). His

> whole arm is swollen twice the size and his shoulder through elbow

is

> a noticeably darker red. He complains of itching on it. Would

this

> reaction be normal or an indicator of a serious problem? What

should

> we do?

>

> Thanks. I am no mail on this list--please reply to eboresow@y...

>

>

[Guest guest]

This does not sound good. It sounds like an allergic reaction.

How is his behavior? Have you contacted the doctor? Make

sure your family reports this reaction...see NVIC (I think it is

www.909shot.com or something like that).

[ ] vaccinations

> Would like a fast reply...I'm 13 with AS. I have a NT sister, a

> brother with ADD and AS, and a 4 year old brother. The already dx'd

> brother reacted to his MMR and DTP (or is it DPT?). I had the MMR

> and oral polio and a bunch of other stuff. My 4-yr-old brother just

> got his DTP 2 days ago. He had a huge reaction that started last

> night, over 24 hrs after the DTP (we refused MMR vaccines). His

> whole arm is swollen twice the size and his shoulder through elbow is

> a noticeably darker red. He complains of itching on it. Would this

> reaction be normal or an indicator of a serious problem? What should

> we do?

>

> Thanks. I am no mail on this list--please reply to eboresow@...

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

If it were my child I would give lots of antioxidants for a few weeks.

[Guest guest]

Tina,

My son's school district sent me a form to sign, no questions asked. they

sent me a card " California School Immunization Record " which is used by the

school to track all of the immunizations. On the back of this card is a space

to

request exemption based on personal beliefs. All I had to do is sign it.

Janelle