Re: Smoking points

[Guest guest]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> I am a little confused on this issue. It's best to avoid smoking

> points right? In other words if I am cooking bacon and I see smoke

> coming off the pan then the heat is too high? or is seeing some smoke

> when cooking natural and not hazardous to a person's health?

How often do you eat bacon?

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In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

[Guest guest]

> How often do you eat bacon?

>

Here come the police.

[Guest guest]

> How often do you eat bacon?

>

Here come the police.

[Guest guest]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Seay <entheogens@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>> How often do you eat bacon?

>>

>

> Here come the police.

Police? What do you mean by that?

--

In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

[Guest guest]

What I am trying to figure out is when I am making something on the

stovetop (be it bacon or let's say olive oil to cook spinach or

something) if I see a little smoke coming off the pan during the

process of cooking it, does that mean the oil itself has reached it's

smoking point and it is now a health hazard?

> > I am a little confused on this issue. It's best to avoid smoking

> > points right? In other words if I am cooking bacon and I see smoke

> > coming off the pan then the heat is too high? or is seeing some smoke

> > when cooking natural and not hazardous to a person's health?

>

> How often do you eat bacon?

>

>

> --

> In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

> we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

> of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

> far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

> statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

> meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

> one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

> latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

>

[Guest guest]

It's probably not the best thing.

Cook with broths. You'll reduce calorie content and it adds some taste to

the foods you are cooking.

If you want more natural fats/oils, add after cooking so that the heat is

not even an issue.

I don't have research on this, but it's my opinion that heating oils (to

more than a low-med sautee) will cause some break down and free radical

production, while destroying any nutrients and enzymes. Sure, coconut oil

might withstand higher temps, but I'm sure there is still some break down

with heat.

The only time I would use oils to cook is maybe to brown meats. However,

even when I cook meat, there is usually enough fat from the meat present to

help lubricate the pan and prevent sticking and burning.

Buddy

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> What I am trying to figure out is when I am making something on the

> stovetop (be it bacon or let's say olive oil to cook spinach or

> something) if I see a little smoke coming off the pan during the

> process of cooking it, does that mean the oil itself has reached it's

> smoking point and it is now a health hazard?

>

> > > I am a little confused on this issue. It's best to avoid smoking

> > > points right? In other words if I am cooking bacon and I see smoke

> > > coming off the pan then the heat is too high? or is seeing some smoke

> > > when cooking natural and not hazardous to a person's health?

> >

> > How often do you eat bacon?

> >

> >

> > --

> > In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

> > we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

> > of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

> > far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

> > statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

> > meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

> > one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

> > latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

> >

>

>

>

--

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[Guest guest]

I'm not understanding this statement, either.

-PattyT

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

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> Police? What do you mean by that?

>

[Guest guest]

I've heard that it's best not to fry/saute with olive oil. It can't

take the heat without damage. Use coconut oil or rendered animal fat

instead.

Definitely try to cook bacon on lowered heat to limit smoking.

-Patty

--- In , " Cray Fish " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> What I am trying to figure out is when I am making something on the

> stovetop (be it bacon or let's say olive oil to cook spinach or

> something) if I see a little smoke coming off the pan during the

> process of cooking it, does that mean the oil itself has reached it's

> smoking point and it is now a health hazard?

[Guest guest]

Patty,

> I'm not understanding this statement, either.

> -PattyT

>

>

>

>>

>> Police? What do you mean by that?

I think what he probably meant was the food police were showing up to

give her all the reasons why she shouldn't eat bacon or bacon that was

cooked in oil that passed its smoke point. That is a just a guess

though and can clear it up with his own response.

My reason for asking her how much she ate was along different lines. I

was going to suggest if she didn't eat that much of it why worry about

it, as the deleterious effects, depending on several other variables,

is probably not that big of a deal.

--

In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

[Guest guest]

Oh, well (notwithstanding the food police) I'm eating my bacon anyway.

Thanks for the reply.

-Patty

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> I think what he probably meant was the food police were showing up >

to give her all the reasons why she shouldn't eat bacon or bacon that

was cooked in oil that passed its smoke point. That is a just a guess...

[Guest guest]

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Patty T <tri4home@...> wrote:

> Oh, well (notwithstanding the food police) I'm eating my bacon anyway.

> Thanks for the reply.

> -Patty

Lol, yeah I don't see bacon disappearing from my menu any time soon.

--

In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather,

we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each

of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As

far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular

statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different

meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no

one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the

latter's " own good. " - Walter Block

[Guest guest]

The smoking point is actually the point at which you are in danger of

catching your kitchen on fire, acrylamides not withstanding.

desh

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[Guest guest]

First of all, bacon police shouldn't be interested in this group!

Nitrite free bacon from pastured hogs is good for you. Remember the

vitamin D in bacon is protective against the high vitamin A in liver.

Your bacon should never smoke not just because of the oil issue, but

because your bacon will not turn out well. Bacon is actually pretty

tricky to cook properly. By this I simply mean that when bacon is

cooked too quickly or at too high a temperature it will curl or get

brown around the edges, but still be undercooked in the middle.

The ideal way to cook bacon is to put it in a cold pan and put it on a

low heat un-covered. Turn it regularly for even browning. Another sign

you're cooking it to fast is that it will give off a lot of juice,

rather than fat. Although this is only a problem with wet-cured

bacons. Slow cooking gives the water time to evaporate. The trade off

for a perfectly flat, evenly browned piece of bacon is that it takes

longer to cook.

No oil should be heated to it's smoking point as doing so will start

to produce carcinogens. Heating oil to anything above room temperature

accelerates the oxidation process. If you want the flavor of butter or

cream, add them at the end since they're more fragile than other oils.

Plus if you're using raw butter or cream it would be a shame to heat

them above 118 as it would destroy their valuable enzymes.

That being said, cooking in oil is a traditional preparation method

that shouldn't cause health problems provided it's part of a balanced

diet and food preparation habit.

Try to eat some food raw, some cooked in broth and some fried in oil.

Also, try to avoid reusing oil over and over again. I take bacon fat

and use it to make country gravy.

Cheers,

> >

> > What I am trying to figure out is when I am making something on the

> > stovetop (be it bacon or let's say olive oil to cook spinach or

> > something) if I see a little smoke coming off the pan during the

> > process of cooking it, does that mean the oil itself has reached it's

> > smoking point and it is now a health hazard?

>

[Guest guest]

I learned in chef school to cook it in the oven. Cooks beautifully!!

Also less mess and I can do other things instead of babysitting it.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Here is a poem I have had for over 35 yrs. I thought you might like to

read it since you are talking about bacon. You might like to save this.

FROM HIS TAIL TO HIS SNOUT

By Reagan

Psalm 84:11

Do you think, brother, that in Yah's great plan,

When He was prescribing the best food for man,

That He made a mistake in leaving the swine out

For he was not good from his tail to his snout~

1 Cor. 3:17

Oh, the carcass of an old dead horse or a cow

Don't get too rotten for a dirty old sow;

Though we holler a lot about boils and gout,

We eat Miss Piggy from her tail to her snout.

Ezek. 33:11

We couldn't eat the buzzard; we'd think it a crime

But how much more filthy is he than the swine.

That we make into pie, or we cook him with kraut,

And eat him or die, from his tail to his snout.

Isa.66: 2— 4

We cook him with cabbage or boil him with greens,

With his mangy old hide we season our beans:

With his scabs and his boils within and without

Sweet Piggy we eat from his tail to his snout.

Isa. 55:2

On filth they feast, while in stink-holes they lay,

And for their carcass our money we pay;

The preacher, professor, or the judge on his bench,

Eat the carrion-eater, his filth, and his stench.

Ezek. 22:26

In the filth you can see him clear up to his eyes,

His slimy old carcass all covered with flies:

Most dead with cholera, (due to butcher, no doubt)

We still think him good from his tail to his snout.

2 Cor. 6:17

We eat the old grunter; we eat the young shoat;

The fat that we fancied may be pus or bloat:

It would smell good, and as healthy no doubt

As the hoofs and the hide, the tail and the snout.

Isa.66: 17

We may like him lean, or we may like him best fat;

Just as well eat the dog, or else eat the cat;

Just as well eat the buzzard, the owl, or the bat,

The lizard or the snake, the mouse or the rat.

Rom.12:l

Our most sensitive natures would almost run wild,

If we handled the corpse of a man or a child,

But we sit at our tables and cram down our throat,

With the greatest of relish, the corpse of a shoat.

Deut. 14:8

Yah made him a scavenger; He says he is unclean,

What other creature is as filthy and mean?

If we eat his flesh, to touch his dead carcass

With sin and disease it surely will mark us.

Lev. 11:7-8

Tis sad, brother, although Yah's word is just,

We eat the slop-eater, for eat him we must:

The dirtiest of beasts we will not do without,

But eat them we will, from his tail to his snout.

Matt. 15:8

Now we sing and we talk of Yah's love so divine

Like vultures, then feast on the dirty old swine:

We might shun many ills, and diseases, no doubt,

By not eating him-from his tail to his snout.

I Cor. 10:31

Yes, we worship the Yahweh, and pray and shout,

But that old hog flavor, we can't do without;

For ham, bacon, and sausage, we go the whole route,

And eat the whole hog from his tail to his snout.

2 2: 22

In Yah's Word we find he is classed with the dog,

No matter how highbred he is still a hog.

Though you wash him, or teach if you will,

He still will go back to his mire and his swill.

Gen. 1:29

We'd be better off is we obeyed (Yah's command,

And ate vegetables, grain and fruit of the land,

Then it wouldn't take half the tonic and pills

To relieve all mankind of their swine fed ills.

Gen. 9:5

You may think of fresh pork as very rare treat,

But our bodies are made of just what we eat

And the food he has eaten, the filth of the land,

Goes into our bodies as food, second-hand.

3 2

No wonder we are weak and heartbeats are slow,

Sanitariums full, hospitals over flow,

For we eat such unclean abominable things,

That are creeping, crawling, or flying with wings.

Psalm 119:105

Yah forbade us to eat these dirty old creatures,

No matter what is the theory of preachers:

If left to man's opinion--we'd not know the right,

But thank the Yahweh; in His Word there is light.

Luke 4: 2,3,4

And now my brother, you may no doubt recall,

Indulgence of appetite caused Adam's fall;

Our Savior was tempted on this point, no doubt,

Then why do we eat from his tail to his snout?

Rom 22:11,12

Now I've told you my story, recited my piece;

If you can eat pork with your conscience at case,

If sin, filth, or disease, you care little about--

Keep on eating the beast,

FROM HIS TAIL TO HIS SNOUT.

FROM HIS TAIL TO HIS SNOUT

A returned Missionary Baptist Minister with ten letters after his name,

writes me upon receiving the poem, " From His tail to his snout " as

follows, Literature received. Glad to get it. Forty-five years ago when

in China I saw hogs eating dead children. At once I ceased to eat hog,

my stomach trouble, dyspepsia, and indigestion disappeared, so that was

proof positive what caused it. So, I say to people, " If you want cancer

for breakfast, rheumatism for dinner, and tuberculosis for supper, eat

hog. " I don't want any, for Yah classes it with rats and mice. I am

often asked, " What do you season with? " We use vegetable oil, its

cheaper and better. Long may you live to tell the truth.

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wrote:

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> The smoking point is actually the point at which you are in danger of

> catching your kitchen on fire, acrylamides not withstanding.

>

> desh

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[Guest guest]

I still think I'd be healthier eating pork daily than similar amounts

of refined sugars and such. If the OT dietary Law is so

health-focused, why couldn't it have mentioned the health-giving

powers of organ meats and fish eggs? Particularly, it should also

have mentioned the usefulness of staying away from over-refined

grains, if it was truly being written for people 3000 years later to

follow to the letter. However, it wasn't.

Mike

--- In , " mkathryn59 " <mkathryn59@...>

wrote:

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> Here is a poem I have had for over 35 yrs. I thought you might like to

> read it since you are talking about bacon. You might like to save this.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm going to guess the minister doesn't eat chicken either.

Belinda

--- In , " mkathryn59 " <mkathryn59@...>

wrote:

>

> Here is a poem I have had for over 35 yrs. I thought you might like to

> read it since you are talking about bacon. You might like to save this.

>

>

>

>

> FROM HIS TAIL TO HIS SNOUT

>

> A returned Missionary Baptist Minister with ten letters after his name,

> writes me upon receiving the poem, " From His tail to his snout " as

> follows, Literature received. Glad to get it. Forty-five years ago when

> in China I saw hogs eating dead children. At once I ceased to eat hog,

> my stomach trouble, dyspepsia, and indigestion disappeared, so that was

> proof positive what caused it. So, I say to people, " If you want cancer

> for breakfast, rheumatism for dinner, and tuberculosis for supper, eat

> hog. " I don't want any, for Yah classes it with rats and mice. I am

> often asked, " What do you season with? " We use vegetable oil, its

> cheaper and better. Long may you live to tell the truth.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's all well and good, but no matter what you eat it is always at

least one generation removed from death and decay. The only

difference between a pig and an apple tree is the apple tree's

feasting off bodies that have been decayed for many seasons. That's

what the fertile part of soil is.

Even cattle don't wash their food before they eat it. You have any

idea how many critters randomly poop in grass?

The best defense is good kitchen sanitation. I daresay your minister

friend would have still had health problems whether or not he ate

pork, considering he was in a developing country. Having lived in the

Philippines during the Marcos era, I can imagine. Perhaps he

immediately felt better after dropping pork because he felt guilty for

eating it in the first place. The placebo effect alone is a strong one.

I'm not disputing that God might have forbidden the eating of pork.

It's entirely possible He did. But you cannot possibly point to " good

health reasons* for *everything* He forbade in the OT. For example,

there's no good reason not to eat an otherwise edible beetle grub, and

indigenous tribal people have been doing that for a very long time.

If nothing else, as long as you keep them away from dead human bodies,

pigs are very useful on a farm...

--- In , " mkathryn59 " <mkathryn59@...>

wrote:

>

> Here is a poem I have had for over 35 yrs. I thought you might like to

> read it since you are talking about bacon. You might like to save this.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

> First of all, bacon police shouldn't be interested in this group!

>

> Nitrite free bacon from pastured hogs is good for you. Remember the

> vitamin D in bacon is protective against the high vitamin A in liver.

So what do you think of beef bacon?

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