Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I put giblets in because I like them. I make a chicken liver pate that I love. But I hate beef liver, so I either make the tomato juice/grated liver recipe in NT, or take dessicated liver capsules. Ann B. > > I see chicken stock recipes that say: 1) put giblets in, 2) leave giblets out, and 3) put all > giblets in but livers. What minerals, cholesterols fat content to the gibs contribute? Do they > affect flavor? I hate liver. what do others do? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I hate beef liver also but discovered that completely raw liver is tastless to me. It's supposed to be very healthful. I think there was a long discussion way back about parasites or germs and that you have to freeze it at certain temps for certain lenth of time but I haven't; just have to hope I'm not poisoning myself. Is the only way I can get it down. On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, annbekins wrote: I put giblets in because I like them. I make a chicken liver pate that I love. But I hate beef liver, so I either make the tomato juice/grated liver recipe in NT, or take dessicated liver capsules. Ann B. Parashis artpages@... artpagesonline.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 14 days at below freezing. I put giblets in because I like them. I make a chicken liver pate that I love. But I hate beef liver, so I either make the tomato juice/grated liver recipe in NT, or take dessicated liver capsules. Ann B. Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) net artpagesonline. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mhbowes11 <mhbowes@...> wrote: > I see chicken stock recipes that say: 1) put giblets in, 2) leave giblets > out, and 3) put all > giblets in but livers. What minerals, cholesterols fat content to the gibs > contribute? Do they > affect flavor? I hate liver. what do others do? Don't eat liver :-) No seriously, I wonder why people try to kill themselves getting liver into their diet. There are other organs. Outside of foie gras I really don't like liver (chicken, beef, or otherwise), so I stopped trying long ago. I have been told that liver from an animal that was killed just a few hours before is tasty, but how many of us have access to such food? According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. If you don't like liver, then don't eat it would be my advice. -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 > According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed > all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and > kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. If you don't like > liver, then don't eat it would be my advice. I believe Sally Fallon & WAPF like liver because it is high in vitamin A, as is cod liver oil, another liver product they promote. Stefansson's views on Eskimo dietary practices are to be trusted. However, look at the caption to Figure 171 in the 8th edition of Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Eskimos consume large amounts of seal oil, and Price tested the seal oil, finding it to be the most concentrated source of vitamin A he had ever tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Liver is the best source of b12. I found a study stating that rats that had just eaten liver were able to swim 84 minutes, 4X longer than the other rats, the group that had supplemental b12 and regular meat could only go for 21 minutes.  Lamb liver is the very best source of b12. From: jeremyfox <jeremytfox@...> Subject: Re: Giblets in Stock Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 7:25 PM > According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed > all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and > kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. If you don't like > liver, then don't eat it would be my advice. I believe Sally Fallon & WAPF like liver because it is high in vitamin A, as is cod liver oil, another liver product they promote. Stefansson's views on Eskimo dietary practices are to be trusted. However, look at the caption to Figure 171 in the 8th edition of Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Eskimos consume large amounts of seal oil, and Price tested the seal oil, finding it to be the most concentrated source of vitamin A he had ever tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Adding liver to stock gives the stock a fairly strong liver flavor which I think most people don't like--even if they like liver. I love the taste of liver, just not in my chicken stock. I only use the neck, heart and gizzard for making stock when I roast a chicken. I lightly braise the liver in butter and garlic. Actually what Stefansson says is that all parts of any given animal are divided up based on several criteria. Flavor was the primary criteria along with the nutritional " power " . Cuts of lean or organs that didn't taste good went to the dogs. Nutrient dense parts like kidneys went to children to help them grow. Fat that didn't taste good was used for heating/lighting/cooking. I recently saw some footage of an Inuit slaughtering a seal and the kids came running up to get the eyeballs--apparently they're sweet. And they're high in vitamin A so the tradition is to give them to children. Some animals have a gall bladder and others do not. If an animal does not have a gall bladder, it stores bile directly in the liver. This makes the liver taste bitter. Caribou have no gall bladder, so their liver was seldom eaten except in times of food shortage because it didn't taste good, even though it's just as nutritious as other livers which taste better. Cheers, > > > I see chicken stock recipes that say: 1) put giblets in, 2) leave giblets > > out, and 3) put all > > giblets in but livers. What minerals, cholesterols fat content to the gibs > > contribute? Do they > > affect flavor? I hate liver. what do others do? > > Don't eat liver :-) > > No seriously, I wonder why people try to kill themselves getting liver > into their diet. There are other organs. Outside of foie gras I really > don't like liver (chicken, beef, or otherwise), so I stopped trying > long ago. I have been told that liver from an animal that was killed > just a few hours before is tasty, but how many of us have access to > such food? > > According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed > all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and > kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. If you don't like > liver, then don't eat it would be my advice. > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 , > I believe Sally Fallon & WAPF like liver because it is high in vitamin A, as > is cod liver oil, > another liver product they promote. Yes I understand why they promote it, but if you don't like it that doesn't mean you have to eat it. There are other ways to get the nutrients liver provides. Someone who doesn't like liver doesn't have to kill themselves trying to learn to like it. Food shouldn't be like medicine in the sense we chug it down by grinning and bearing it. Most liver is just as difficult for many people to consume in our culture as insects, and yet that doesn't stop the WAPF from promoting it, although they argue that most people shouldn't consider eating a high carb diet along the lines of the African tribes observed by Price because most people have an aversion to the source of animal nutrition that made up those diets. Hmmm....Go figure. > Stefansson's views on Eskimo dietary practices are to be trusted. However, > look at the > caption to Figure 171 in the 8th edition of Price's Nutrition and Physical > Degeneration. > Eskimos consume large amounts of seal oil, and Price tested the seal oil, > finding it to be the > most concentrated source of vitamin A he had ever tested. But that is my point, instead of liver the Eskimos got some of those nutrients from seal oil. I say to all moderns who don't like the stuff, instead of trying to gag it down or make it otherwise palatable, be like the Eskimos and " go thou and do likewise. " -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 , > Liver is the best source of b12. I found a study stating that rats that had > just eaten liver were able to swim 84 minutes, 4X longer than the other > rats, the group that had supplemental b12 and regular meat could only go for > 21 minutes. > > Lamb liver is the very best source of b12. And apparently seal oil is the best source of vitamin A, but I don't see that being recommended. My point is your food plan should be something you enjoy, not something you tolerate. If liver gags you, move on, or if somehow you think you can't thrive without it, buy a whole food supplement. -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 , > Actually what Stefansson says is that all parts of any given animal > are divided up based on several criteria. Flavor was the primary > criteria along with the nutritional " power " . Cuts of lean or organs > that didn't taste good went to the dogs. Nutrient dense parts like > kidneys went to children to help them grow. Fat that didn't taste good > was used for heating/lighting/cooking. Here is what Stefansson said: " The way in which Eskimos divide, for instance, a caribou between men and dogs has been described with some detail; here the fact is emphasized that the organ commonly spoken of as richest in vitamins, the liver, is nearly always given to the dogs—as are the sweetbreads and, indeed, all things from the body cavity except the heart and kidneys. The kidneys are usually given to children, somewhat as if they were candy. So far as I know the Eskimos of northern Alaska and northwestern Canada, and the forest Indians just to the south of them, the only condition under which they ate nearly or quite the whole caribou was in time of famine. Ceasing to give the dogs the parts which normally are theirs was that stage of a famine which immediately preceded the killing and eating of the dogs themselves. " As I noted in my previous post, heart and kidney they ate, the rest from the body cavity they threw away unless it was a time of famine. > I recently saw some footage of an Inuit slaughtering a seal and the > kids came running up to get the eyeballs--apparently they're sweet. > And they're high in vitamin A so the tradition is to give them to > children. Yup, that is why I said they ate the organs from the head, which would include the eyes. > Some animals have a gall bladder and others do not. If an animal does > not have a gall bladder, it stores bile directly in the liver. This > makes the liver taste bitter. Caribou have no gall bladder, so their > liver was seldom eaten except in times of food shortage because it > didn't taste good, even though it's just as nutritious as other livers > which taste better. And some folks just don't like liver, bitter or not. Michaeel -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even comes close liver in the level of b12 it contains. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:50 PM, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: , Liver is the best source of b12. I found a study stating that rats that had just eaten liver were able to swim 84 minutes, 4X longer than the other rats, the group that had supplemental b12 and regular meat could only go for 21 minutes. Lamb liver is the very best source of b12. And apparently seal oil is the best source of vitamin A, but I don't see that being recommended. My point is your food plan should be something you enjoy, not something you tolerate. If liver gags you, move on, or if somehow you think you can't thrive without it, buy a whole food supplement. -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 , > As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even comes close > liver in the level of b12 it contains. Okay, well I guess you will be eating liver. Enjoy :-) -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Giblets do not make stock taste like liver makes stock taste. Put the giblets in for the last hour of cooking. Also, a long soak in milk alters liver's taste considerably. Soaking in lemon juice and h20 as Fallon recommends does not do as much for the taste. FWIW bison liver is the mildest liver I've tasted, excepting foie gras Also, isn't liver high in phosphorus? Adele mentions that the body excretes excess phosphorus by bonding it to calcium. So if you're not eating calcium with the liver, then the body is using up its calcium to excrete the excess phosphorus. If true, 'tis great we Southerners eat our liver with cream gravy. \ desh ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2kI9Wzwe0AWnXmizjHlTIhNJelvCgZ\ xpWchohGb5CekF2f0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 , I'm not trying to argue with you. What I was responding to was this: " According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. " Which is true for Caribou, but not ALL animals. Eskimos and North Forest Indians eat many species of animals and eat liver and other bits, but only if it's from an animal that has a good tasting bits. I also totally agree with your point that if you don't like something, like liver, don't eat it! Stefansson made it very clear that Eskimos normally only ate things that tasted good. And they're no different than any of us. That being said, it is possible to condition your tastes. There are some foods I now love that took a bit of conditioning to " acquire " a taste for--that's the process described by the saying after all. So I wouldn't swear off a nutrient dense food just because you don't like the way it tasted the first time. I'd experiment with different types/sources/preparation, etc. There is a huge difference between the taste of wild salmon and farmed salmon. Or between pasteurized orange juice and fresh squeezed. Or grass fed beef and grain feed beef. Preparation can make a huge difference in how something tastes. Liver is a good example. Cold, raw liver tastes very different than well done liver. Raw liver is sweet while well done liver has a very strong and distinct " liver " taste. I can't eat cold raw liver, nor do I like well done liver, but I can eat 98% raw liver that is lightly braised on both sides with a little butter or bacon fat. Cheers, --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > , > > > Actually what Stefansson says is that all parts of any given animal > > are divided up based on several criteria. Flavor was the primary > > criteria along with the nutritional " power " . Cuts of lean or organs > > that didn't taste good went to the dogs. Nutrient dense parts like > > kidneys went to children to help them grow. Fat that didn't taste good > > was used for heating/lighting/cooking. > > Here is what Stefansson said: > > " The way in which Eskimos divide, for instance, a caribou between men > and dogs has been described with some detail; here the fact is > emphasized that the organ commonly spoken of as richest in vitamins, > the liver, is nearly always given to the dogs—as are the sweetbreads > and, indeed, all things from the body cavity except the heart and > kidneys. The kidneys are usually given to children, somewhat as if > they were candy. So far as I know the Eskimos of northern Alaska and > northwestern Canada, and the forest Indians just to the south of them, > the only condition under which they ate nearly or quite the whole > caribou was in time of famine. Ceasing to give the dogs the parts > which normally are theirs was that stage of a famine which immediately > preceded the killing and eating of the dogs themselves. " > > As I noted in my previous post, heart and kidney they ate, the rest > from the body cavity they threw away unless it was a time of famine. > > > I recently saw some footage of an Inuit slaughtering a seal and the > > kids came running up to get the eyeballs--apparently they're sweet. > > And they're high in vitamin A so the tradition is to give them to > > children. > > Yup, that is why I said they ate the organs from the head, which would > include the eyes. > > > Some animals have a gall bladder and others do not. If an animal does > > not have a gall bladder, it stores bile directly in the liver. This > > makes the liver taste bitter. Caribou have no gall bladder, so their > > liver was seldom eaten except in times of food shortage because it > > didn't taste good, even though it's just as nutritious as other livers > > which taste better. > > And some folks just don't like liver, bitter or not. > > Michaeel > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Clams are also an excellent source of b12. Beef liver has so many other b vitamins Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:11 PM, " paulsonntagericson " <paulsonntagericson@...> wrote: , I'm not trying to argue with you. What I was responding to was this: " According to Stefansson in _Not By Bread Alone_, the Eskimos tossed all the body cavity organs to the dogs except for the heart and kidneys. They also ate the organ meats of the head. " Which is true for Caribou, but not ALL animals. Eskimos and North Forest Indians eat many species of animals and eat liver and other bits, but only if it's from an animal that has a good tasting bits. I also totally agree with your point that if you don't like something, like liver, don't eat it! Stefansson made it very clear that Eskimos normally only ate things that tasted good. And they're no different than any of us. That being said, it is possible to condition your tastes. There are some foods I now love that took a bit of conditioning to " acquire " a taste for--that's the process described by the saying after all. So I wouldn't swear off a nutrient dense food just because you don't like the way it tasted the first time. I'd experiment with different types/sources/preparation, etc. There is a huge difference between the taste of wild salmon and farmed salmon. Or between pasteurized orange juice and fresh squeezed. Or grass fed beef and grain feed beef. Preparation can make a huge difference in how something tastes. Liver is a good example. Cold, raw liver tastes very different than well done liver. Raw liver is sweet while well done liver has a very strong and distinct " liver " taste. I can't eat cold raw liver, nor do I like well done liver, but I can eat 98% raw liver that is lightly braised on both sides with a little butter or bacon fat. Cheers, --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > , > > > Actually what Stefansson says is that all parts of any given animal > > are divided up based on several criteria. Flavor was the primary > > criteria along with the nutritional " power " . Cuts of lean or organs > > that didn't taste good went to the dogs. Nutrient dense parts like > > kidneys went to children to help them grow. Fat that didn't taste good > > was used for heating/lighting/cooking. > > Here is what Stefansson said: > > " The way in which Eskimos divide, for instance, a caribou between men > and dogs has been described with some detail; here the fact is > emphasized that the organ commonly spoken of as richest in vitamins, > the liver, is nearly always given to the dogs—as are the sweetbreads > and, indeed, all things from the body cavity except the heart and > kidneys. The kidneys are usually given to children, somewhat as if > they were candy. So far as I know the Eskimos of northern Alaska and > northwestern Canada, and the forest Indians just to the south of them, > the only condition under which they ate nearly or quite the whole > caribou was in time of famine. Ceasing to give the dogs the parts > which normally are theirs was that stage of a famine which immediately > preceded the killing and eating of the dogs themselves. " > > As I noted in my previous post, heart and kidney they ate, the rest > from the body cavity they threw away unless it was a time of famine. > > > I recently saw some footage of an Inuit slaughtering a seal and the > > kids came running up to get the eyeballs--apparently they're sweet. > > And they're high in vitamin A so the tradition is to give them to > > children. > > Yup, that is why I said they ate the organs from the head, which would > include the eyes. > > > Some animals have a gall bladder and others do not. If an animal does > > not have a gall bladder, it stores bile directly in the liver. This > > makes the liver taste bitter. Caribou have no gall bladder, so their > > liver was seldom eaten except in times of food shortage because it > > didn't taste good, even though it's just as nutritious as other livers > > which taste better. > > And some folks just don't like liver, bitter or not. > > Michaeel > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Sorry, but shellfish (mollusks) are much higher in B12 than liver, according to WAPF: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminb12.html Scroll all the way down to " Sources of B12. " > > , > > > As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even comes close > > liver in the level of b12 it contains. > > Okay, well I guess you will be eating liver. > > Enjoy :-) > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Lamb liver is the highest source of b12 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:24 PM, " " <ginavoce25@...> wrote: Sorry, but shellfish (mollusks) are much higher in B12 than liver, according to WAPF: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminb12.html Scroll all the way down to " Sources of B12. " > > , > > > As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even comes close > > liver in the level of b12 it contains. > > Okay, well I guess you will be eating liver. > > Enjoy :-) > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 There are many good sources of B12: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR21/nutrlist/sr21w418.pdf The trick with liver is that it's high in almost every important or hard to get nutrient. All the B vitamins, not just 12 and CoQ10 and iron and the list goes on and on. Goose liver is high in vitamin K2. If you can't acquire the taste or figure out another way to get it, like capsules of dried liver, there are many alternatives. What's interesting about Dr. Price's work was that while the nutrient profile of most traditional diets was fairly consistent, what different groups ate varied widely. So what you eat is not nearly as important as what's in what you eat. Most of us are lucky in that we have an enormous variety of foods available to us compared to traditional people. Cheers, > > > > , > > > > > As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even > comes close > > > liver in the level of b12 it contains. > > > > Okay, well I guess you will be eating liver. > > > > Enjoy :-) > > > > > > -- > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms > is > > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > > iron. " > > > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Only by a little are the mullosks higher. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:24 PM, " " <ginavoce25@...> wrote: Sorry, but shellfish (mollusks) are much higher in B12 than liver, according to WAPF: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminb12.html Scroll all the way down to " Sources of B12. " > > , > > > As far as I have seen there is no other food source that even comes close > > liver in the level of b12 it contains. > > Okay, well I guess you will be eating liver. > > Enjoy :-) > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 But the rest of the Eskimo diet would be more sufficient in the nutrients that liver contains, compared to many of our diets. My dad needs liver, whether he likes it or not (he does). Many folks quite simply don't have access to other offal, as they begin gathering their TF food sources. A long soak removing the blood really improves it, and removing any veins (they are very bitter) and membranes as well. For the neophyte, many lovely European liver sausages can help the taste buds along. A few months and she'll be eating strange raw offal concoctions with the rest of us. Placenta, anyone? Desh ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find out which media club is right for you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3Lzt4PwDfFyLGcbMmUNwnWLMOZRbcF\ 5gcQjBxRzhE3K0Zoy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 > What's interesting about Dr. Price's work was that while the nutrient > profile of most traditional diets was fairly consistent, what > different groups ate varied widely. So what you eat is not nearly as > important as what's in what you eat. > > Most of us are lucky in that we have an enormous variety of foods > available to us compared to traditional people. Exactly. But even if we didn't, if we are to believe Stefansson, we could do quite well on a diet without much variety at all, and have everything we need to thrive in good health. An all meat diet (properly understood) would probably be a good thing for a lot of folks to undertake. -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Desh, > But the rest of the Eskimo diet would be more sufficient in the nutrients > that liver contains, compared to many of our diets. My dad needs liver, > whether he likes it or not (he does). Many folks quite simply don't have > access to other offal, as they begin gathering their TF food sources. I'm actually surprised at what is available in inner city and ethnic markets, almost every conceivable bodypart/organ under the sun. > A > long soak removing the blood really improves it, and removing any veins > (they are very bitter) and membranes as well. For the neophyte, many > lovely European liver sausages can help the taste buds along. A few > months and she'll be eating strange raw offal concoctions with the rest > of us. Placenta, anyone? Which reminds me, I do like liverwurst. -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I couldn't agree with you more. --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > > > > What's interesting about Dr. Price's work was that while the nutrient > > profile of most traditional diets was fairly consistent, what > > different groups ate varied widely. So what you eat is not nearly as > > important as what's in what you eat. > > > > Most of us are lucky in that we have an enormous variety of foods > > available to us compared to traditional people. > > Exactly. > > But even if we didn't, if we are to believe Stefansson, we could do > quite well on a diet without much variety at all, and have everything > we need to thrive in good health. An all meat diet (properly > understood) would probably be a good thing for a lot of folks to > undertake. > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 It all depends where you live. I'm lucky that I live close enough to Toronto that I can get almost anything I want because every ethnic group on earth has an enclave there. I think in smaller or more rural market you'll have a harder time finding stuff. I was at one large grocery store and they had these neat packs of lamb offal. Heart, liver, kidneys and fat-$6! I've been working on building relationships with local area producers, that seems to be the best way to get exactly what you want. Cheers, --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > Desh, > > > But the rest of the Eskimo diet would be more sufficient in the nutrients > > that liver contains, compared to many of our diets. My dad needs liver, > > whether he likes it or not (he does). Many folks quite simply don't have > > access to other offal, as they begin gathering their TF food sources. > > I'm actually surprised at what is available in inner city and ethnic > markets, almost every conceivable bodypart/organ under the sun. > > > A > > long soak removing the blood really improves it, and removing any veins > > (they are very bitter) and membranes as well. For the neophyte, many > > lovely European liver sausages can help the taste buds along. A few > > months and she'll be eating strange raw offal concoctions with the rest > > of us. Placenta, anyone? > > Which reminds me, I do like liverwurst. > > > -- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of > iron. " > > ~ Dwight Eisenhower > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Desh, > A few > months and she'll be eating strange raw offal concoctions with the rest > of us. Placenta, anyone? How about pig head stew? http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2008/12/fump-day-13.html " That's right amigos. Last night I stewed up an entire 20-pound pig head. I couldn't even fit the snout in the pot, but no matter, it made for great video and picture messages on my cell phone. " When I woke up in the morning, she was cooked up all nice and soft, so I plucked those eyes, peeled every bit of good meat off the face, and then transferred the empty skull over to the sink. There I took a small stone tool and crushed that badboy so I could empty out the brains – and upon close scrutiny for all you guys that think that " pig's are smart. " They can't be too smart. That thing was like a walnut. " No matter. I chowed down on some pig face, had me a nice pig tongue, with a side of pig brain in a big stew with all the butter I could get down. " -- " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. " ~ Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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