Re: Unheated Hydrolyzed whey protein

[Guest guest]

,

> There's a couple different recipes I found from www.onibasu.com and from

> Nourishing Traditions. Is there a particular recipe that is the healthiest?

Here is an excerpt from a blog on pemmican. A link for making it is at

the bottom:

http://zerocarbforlife.com/?p=250

Pemmican varied in terms of what types of fat were used. Morrow fat

was the best tasting but it may not have kept as long as the back fat

because it was typically softer from the outset. Fat grows rancid

according to its softness according to Stefansson. Mutton tallow may

be the best of all since it is the hardest. The kidney tallow of sheep

is non-greasy but it is nearly the most tasteless of all domestic

animal fats. Rendered beef kidney suet was said to be the most

agreeable of all fats. Many testified that pemmican made properly

would keep indefinitely and Stefansson provide some examples where

pemmican was left open or found after a period of time, used, and

found to be in excellent condition. I reach for mine from time to time

and it always tastes the same as when I first made it. Bad pemmican

was that which was carelessly made or made with deliberate intent to

cheat through leaving water in contributing to the weight which would

fetch a higher price. Sometimes winter pemmican was misrepresented to

be summer pemmican.

Pemmican came from nature, it seems. Step one involves drying the

meat. Meat clings to the bones of animals which have been devoured

and get dehydrated by the elements in the cold of a long winter or

the heat of a hot summer. This gives jerky. Jerky is tough to eat,

especially for the young and the elderly so the next logical step is

to pound the meat. Pounded meat is dry and difficult to swallow but

if pinches of it are dipped into water, the result is a rather

tasteless food. The flavor and feel comes alive if you dip this

pounded meat into melted fat. The final step in this invention would

be making the pounded meat and fat in quantity so it could be stored

against the next meal, journey, or a future year of bad hunting.

Without refrigeration, it was simply ingenious! The Plains Indians

did just that by making it in quantity, putting it in rawhide bags and

storing it by protecting it from dogs and damp. It wasn't always

necessary to shield it from rain because the rawhide covers were

waterproof and the outsides would dry when the weather changed. The

only consideration would be to keep them from the dirt, sticks and

stones underneath.

I followed the instructions and made my own pemmican. You can read

all about it and even see pictures.

http://zerocarbage.com/showthread.php?tid=81 & page=4 (post 37 has the

steps for making it)

--

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signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

iron. "

~ Dwight Eisenhower

[Guest guest]

In " The Fat of the Land " Stefansson describes the traditional recipe

as 45 pounds on pounded dried lean and 45 pounds of fat. To make 45

pounds of pounded lean you need to start with 270 lbs. of fresh lean.

Thus the drying should reduce the weight of the lean by a factor of 6.

According to Stefansson, there where several grades of pemmican based

on when it was made. Summer pemmican was better quality than winter

pemmican because the lean had lower moisture content. The type of fat

also affect the grade as marrow fat was better tasting, but had

shorter keeping times.

Stefansson concluded that berry pemmican existed before Europeans

arrived, but that it was eaten soon after it was made during special

occasions like weddings.

As soon as you add anything other than lean and fat, you begin to

degrade all the best properties of pemmican like it's long storage

life and compact size.

Cheers,

>

> There's a couple different recipes I found from www.onibasu.com and

from Nourishing Traditions. Is there a particular recipe that is the

healthiest? I was going to use 4 pounds fat free beef round, 1 pound

pasture raised beef suet, culture the pasture raised beef round in

kefir and himilayan seasalt, and do the rest of the prep work. I even

considered using beef heart instead for co-q10 content.-If you need a link

> on how to make your own pemmican let me know. It certainly would be

> cheaper- Thank you, Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Skinny on Fats " has this claim with a reference to:

Lasserre, M, et al, Lipids, 1985, 20:4:227

But I have not read the cited work. Has anyone here read the cited work?

I seem to recall reading in other sources that this is an estimate

based on an estimation of the nutrient content of traditional diets.

Of course tt's difficult to say what the true nutrient content was in

traditional diets as many are no longer available for analysis or have

been altered from their original form.

Cheers,

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> > As for fat types, I would be very careful about how many

> > polyunsaturated fats you consume. The recommendation from WAPF is to

> > limit total intake to 4% of total calories and the ratio of omega 6 to

> > omega 3 should be roughly 1:1-2.5:1 range.

>

> WAPF has never provided a reference for where they got that figure.

> You can find a good analysis of the PUFA issue here:

>

http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/chris-masterjohn-special-reports.htm#pufa

>

>

> --

> " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

> signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

> not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

> not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

> the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

> cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

> iron. "

>

> ~ Dwight Eisenhower

>

[Guest guest]

,

> " Skinny on Fats " has this claim with a reference to:

>

> Lasserre, M, et al, Lipids, 1985, 20:4:227

>

> But I have not read the cited work. Has anyone here read the cited work?

>

> I seem to recall reading in other sources that this is an estimate

> based on an estimation of the nutrient content of traditional diets.

Yes, but I have yet to see anyone give an original source reference.

It would be interesting to know what the cite above says, but Sally

Fallon has been asked about it, and she has never, AFAIK, referred to

the above citation. I would love to see how this estimation was

calculated. It might in fact be right, but Chris's work suggests that

no healthy adult needs anywhere near 4% PUFA in their diet.

--

" Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

iron. "

~ Dwight Eisenhower

[Guest guest]

Yeah I've seen what has to say and I don't find any fault with it.

The thing is, if you check the PUFA content of good fats like olive

oil, lard, beef/lamp tallow, etc. and ramp fat consumption up to 80%

of calories and factor in an all grass diet, you could end up with a

fair amount of PUFA in your diet.

While the nutritional requirement may likely be far less than 4%, we

still need a number as an upper limit to shoot for. All the more

reason to avoid it in any concentrated forms live low-oleic sunflower

oil, etc.

Cheers,

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> > " Skinny on Fats " has this claim with a reference to:

> >

> > Lasserre, M, et al, Lipids, 1985, 20:4:227

> >

> > But I have not read the cited work. Has anyone here read the cited

work?

> >

> > I seem to recall reading in other sources that this is an estimate

> > based on an estimation of the nutrient content of traditional diets.

>

> Yes, but I have yet to see anyone give an original source reference.

> It would be interesting to know what the cite above says, but Sally

> Fallon has been asked about it, and she has never, AFAIK, referred to

> the above citation. I would love to see how this estimation was

> calculated. It might in fact be right, but Chris's work suggests that

> no healthy adult needs anywhere near 4% PUFA in their diet.

>

>

> --

> " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

> signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

> not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

> not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

> the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

> cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

> iron. "

>

> ~ Dwight Eisenhower

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for bringing that up. That is the whole idea behind seasonal fasting

in general. In modern times we have lost the effect of the seasons dirrectly

related to the territory where we reside & suffer health issues as a

consequence. Even in these modern times, if we choose to be more exposed to the

natural elements & eat according to the seasons of our locale that has got to be

better than eating packaged products all year round, non-stop. How does the

saying go, moderation in all things?

Well performed is better than well stated...,dedicated to all people everywhere,

in all countries, of all ages & all professions & all schools of thought, who

have either directly or indirectly contributed to native knowledge, our

birthright. Best Always, Jim Igo

www.earthcrafts.net

www.rawkinradio.com

>

> The Masai live in a fairly hot area, and they ate (before

> beooming

> more modernized) a very high-fat diet. The traditional

> Eskimo/Inuit

> diet probably has the highest fat content of all

> traditional diets. I

> agree that carbs are slightly more allowable in hotter

> weather. I

> find that tropical fruits can make me have anxiety/panic

> attack

> problems if I eat them when the weather is cold, but not as

> much when

> it is warm. My panic attacks (back when I still had them,

> before

> getting off the fruitarian diet regime. and before I

> started eating

> more fat and supplementing with more minerals) were less of

> a problem

> when eating cold weather fruits.

>

> I think the TYPE of fat is also somewhat important. In

> general,

> unless you live in a VERY extreme climate, it's

> probably not a bad

> idea to get a wide variety of different types of fats,

> including

> saturated, mono-unsaturated, poly-unsaturated, etc. There

> are

> noticeable differences in the mix of the different types of

> dietary

> fats available in very cold versus very hot climates. There

> are

> others here who can comment on that better than me.

>

> Mike

>

> --------------------------------------------

>

> I was referring to the African cultures listed in

> adventures in

> macronutrient land. In general people in hotter regions

> didn't

> consume as much fat as say people in cold regions where

> they consumed

> alot of fat.

> >

> > I looked at the percentages on Adventures in

> Macronutrient land. On

> average people consumed somewhere around 30% fat a day back

> in the

> 1900s. They were also several times more active because

> they had to

> work harder too.

> >

> > I haven't ready it my self but I've heard the

> Hunza and the

> Vilcabamba tribes don't consume that much fat during

> the hotter times

> of the year. Is this true?

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing your fruitarian experience, I went down that road back in

the 90's, wow I thought I had discovered bliss, then my dental hygienist

exclaimed my gums were in superior condition probably because of all the vitamin

C, but that my teeth were worn, no cavaties, just worn down. Now I understand

it is all about balance, all things in maoderation & too much of anything is not

good for us in general.

Well performed is better than well stated...,dedicated to all people everywhere,

in all countries, of all ages & all professions & all schools of thought, who

have either directly or indirectly contributed to native knowledge, our

birthright. Best Always, Jim Igo

www.earthcrafts.net

www.rawkinradio.com

> From: michael g <tropical@...>

> Subject: Re: Unheated Hydrolyzed whey protein

>

> Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:42 AM

> The Masai live in a fairly hot area, and they ate (before

> beooming

> more modernized) a very high-fat diet. The traditional

> Eskimo/Inuit

> diet probably has the highest fat content of all

> traditional diets. I

> agree that carbs are slightly more allowable in hotter

> weather. I

> find that tropical fruits can make me have anxiety/panic

> attack

> problems if I eat them when the weather is cold, but not as

> much when

> it is warm. My panic attacks (back when I still had them,

> before

> getting off the fruitarian diet regime. and before I

> started eating

> more fat and supplementing with more minerals) were less of

> a problem

> when eating cold weather fruits.

>

> I think the TYPE of fat is also somewhat important. In

> general,

> unless you live in a VERY extreme climate, it's

> probably not a bad

> idea to get a wide variety of different types of fats,

> including

> saturated, mono-unsaturated, poly-unsaturated, etc. There

> are

> noticeable differences in the mix of the different types of

> dietary

> fats available in very cold versus very hot climates.

> There are

> others here who can comment on that better than me.

>

> Mike

>

>

> --------------------------------------------

>

> I was referring to the African cultures listed in

> adventures in

> macronutrient land. In general people in hotter regions

> didn't

> consume as much fat as say people in cold regions where

> they consumed

> alot of fat.

> >

> > I looked at the percentages on Adventures in

> Macronutrient land. On

> average people consumed somewhere around 30% fat a day back

> in the

> 1900s. They were also several times more active because

> they had to

> work harder too.

> >

> > I haven't ready it my self but I've heard the

> Hunza and the

> Vilcabamba tribes don't consume that much fat during

> the hotter times

> of the year. Is this true?

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My body fat runs between 20 to nearly 30, & I weigh 180-190 @ 5'11 " . I

believe if I got more routine exercise the body fat reading would eventually

reach around 10 and of course there would be more lean muscle mass. Lowering

fat intake or raising carbs is clearly not the best choice for everyone.

Well performed is better than well stated...,dedicated to all people everywhere,

in all countries, of all ages & all professions & all schools of thought, who

have either directly or indirectly contributed to native knowledge, our

birthright. Best Always, Jim Igo

www.earthcrafts.net

www.rawkinradio.com

>

> ,

>

> Yeah, after looking at it again I feel the best protein

> choices are Thorne

> Research Medipro, or Asst sports VP2 whey protein. Of the

> two I would choose

> Medipro. I would consider maybe just using Thorne Research

> hydrolyzed whey

> and have Nutritional yeast 20 minutes later as that is high

> in b vitamins.

> Medipro is the same but with added vitamins and minerals. I

> would have

> pastured liver, and butter oil/fclo for breakfast.

>

> Are you a bodybuilder?

>

> I will personally go for a low fat diet. However, the fat I

> do have will be

> nutrient dense. I will also eat a ton of fermented foods.

> The plan may be a

> little high in protein. This is somewhat based on the diet

> of cultures in

> hot altitudes. High carb, low fat, low protein with a high

> level of

> nutrients with fermented foods.

>

> What cultures are you referencing?

>

>

> --

> " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every

> rocket fired

> signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who

> hunger and are

> not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world

> in arms is

> not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its

> laborers,

> the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children….

> Under the

> cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a

> cross of

> iron. "

>

> ~ Dwight Eisenhower

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>