Re: Raw Milk vs. No Milk, WAS Health Questions

[Guest guest]

I believe the emphasis on raw milk is motivated by several things. Two

big ones are first is that the dairy industry and public health

officials have a vendetta against raw milk and that needs a counter.

It's unjust and wrong headed and is keeping a good food down. Second

a lot of us have children and kids just seem to naturally transition

from breast milk to cow's milk and pasteurized milk is really inferior

compared to raw milk.

I agree that raw milk is not a necessary part of a healthy diet. If

you don't have children, can't get raw milk, don't like milk or have

physiological problems related to milk then avoiding it is certainly

reasonable.

Cheers,

>

> Carla,

>

> > Tom~ Thanks for the insight. We have become accustomed to drinking

> no milk. Would you

> > say that drinking raw milk is better than no milk at all? I know

> that raw is better than

> > conventional. Here in South Carolina raw milk is difficult to come

> by, but I know that I can

> > order it frozen online.

>

> If you can find it locally, I would give raw milk a try. Despite its

> benefits, even raw milk can give problems to people who are sensitive.

> If you can find pure Jersey, Guernsey, Brown Swiss or other

> non-Holstein milk that would be best, but Holsteins (the iconic black

> and white cows) are far and away the major dairy cows in America

> because they've been breed to produce more and more.

>

> Raw milk is an excellent source of raw animal protein and other

> nutrients, but it's not essential to an optimal diet. Price found many

> traditional peoples around the world who didn't drink milk and were

> very healthy. WAPF puts a little more emphasis on raw milk than is

> perhaps deserved in my opinion. If you don't drink milk I would make

> sure you're getting lots of high-quality animal products, including

> eggs from a local farmer who lets their chickens spend most of their

> time outdoors. Egg yolks are amazingly nutritious, as is liver from

> pastured animals. Both can be eaten raw as well.

>

> Maybe some others can chime in here with other info or opinions on the

> importance of raw milk.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

I love milk and cheese, and am grateful it's available. It's true

that lots of cultures that Price found didn't consume milk products

and were healthy. But they all consumed some sort of animal protein

raw. I eat my meat rare, and raw egg yolks, and sometimes I make a

dish with raw salmon, but otherwise I don't eat much raw animal food.

Except for dairy. I think dairy is the easiest way for modern

Westerners to consume raw animal protein, so it's emphasized.

Ann B.

--- In , " Tom Jeanne " <tjeanne@...>

wrote:

>

> Carla,

>

> > Tom~ Thanks for the insight. We have become accustomed to drinking

> no milk. Would you

> > say that drinking raw milk is better than no milk at all? I know

> that raw is better than

> > conventional. Here in South Carolina raw milk is difficult to come

> by, but I know that I can

> > order it frozen online.

>

> If you can find it locally, I would give raw milk a try. Despite its

> benefits, even raw milk can give problems to people who are sensitive.

> If you can find pure Jersey, Guernsey, Brown Swiss or other

> non-Holstein milk that would be best, but Holsteins (the iconic black

> and white cows) are far and away the major dairy cows in America

> because they've been breed to produce more and more.

>

> Raw milk is an excellent source of raw animal protein and other

> nutrients, but it's not essential to an optimal diet. Price found many

> traditional peoples around the world who didn't drink milk and were

> very healthy. WAPF puts a little more emphasis on raw milk than is

> perhaps deserved in my opinion. If you don't drink milk I would make

> sure you're getting lots of high-quality animal products, including

> eggs from a local farmer who lets their chickens spend most of their

> time outdoors. Egg yolks are amazingly nutritious, as is liver from

> pastured animals. Both can be eaten raw as well.

>

> Maybe some others can chime in here with other info or opinions on the

> importance of raw milk.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

Kids do not naturally transition to cow's milk. Children are weaned

unnaturally early here, and cow's milk is the closest culturally

available substitute. Cow's milk is one of the most allergenic of foods

(which fact in itself is a warning from nature, eh?).

There are many ideas about the rise of milk consumption in western

culture, the most interesting of which to me is the prevalence of lead

and other heavy metal poisoning compared to other cultures (from pipes

and coal extraction and burning)- extra calcium in the diet helps prevent

the absorbtion of lead.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

Desh,

There certainly are many traditional food cultures where milk is only

consumed in the first few years of life from one's mother. However,

there are also many traditional food cultures based on herding where

milk is consumed by everyone for their entire lives.

Meat was the first food for humans and milk was probably second. The

vegetable kingdom has always been an adjunct and supplementary source

of nutrition.

One's genetic inheritance has a strong effect on whether milk can be

tolerated. As with any food, if you have an allergy or have difficulty

digesting it, you should avoid it.

Large, industrial milk plants should be shut down for so many reasons.

Cheers,

>

> Kids do not naturally transition to cow's milk. Children are weaned

> unnaturally early here, and cow's milk is the closest culturally

> available substitute. Cow's milk is one of the most allergenic of foods

> (which fact in itself is a warning from nature, eh?).

>

> There are many ideas about the rise of milk consumption in western

> culture, the most interesting of which to me is the prevalence of lead

> and other heavy metal poisoning compared to other cultures (from pipes

> and coal extraction and burning)- extra calcium in the diet helps

prevent

> the absorbtion of lead.

>

> Desh

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>

[Guest guest]

In my Texas history class, we learned that in Texas, there was a tribe of

Indians that lived along the gulf coast that nursed their young until the

children went through puberty. The most efficient use of their food supply was

for the mother to use the food to produce milk.

Kathy

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Desh,

There certainly are many traditional food cultures where milk is only

consumed in the first few years of life from one's mother. However,

there are also many traditional food cultures based on herding where

milk is consumed by everyone for their entire lives.

Meat was the first food for humans and milk was probably second. The

vegetable kingdom has always been an adjunct and supplementary source

of nutrition.

One's genetic inheritance has a strong effect on whether milk can be

tolerated. As with any food, if you have an allergy or have difficulty

digesting it, you should avoid it.

Large, industrial milk plants should be shut down for so many reasons.

Cheers,

>

> Kids do not naturally transition to cow's milk. Children are weaned

> unnaturally early here, and cow's milk is the closest culturally

> available substitute. Cow's milk is one of the most allergenic of foods

> (which fact in itself is a warning from nature, eh?).

>

> There are many ideas about the rise of milk consumption in western

> culture, the most interesting of which to me is the prevalence of lead

> and other heavy metal poisoning compared to other cultures (from pipes

> and coal extraction and burning)- extra calcium in the diet helps

prevent

> the absorbtion of lead.

>

> Desh

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>

[Guest guest]

what is even better than raw milk is fermented raw milk like kefir. it more

nutritious and has way more beneficial bacteria.

personally fermented is the only way i can drink it otherwise i'm in for severe

intestinal cramping. i've also found that besides carbohydrates (which i don't

eat much of), milk products (preferably raw) are the best thing to keep weight

on.

cheers,

sabine.

[Guest guest]

It's important to remember that consuming large quantities of fresh

milk is a relatively recent practice that's only been possible with

refrigeration.

Herding cultures definitely drink fresh milk, but fermented products

like clabber, yogurt, kefir and of course cheese are much more common

ways to consume dairy through out history.

Fermented milk is far better than fresh milk. It is much easier to

digest and contains more enzymes and vitamins. I try to drink more

kefir than fresh milk, but of course fresh milk is more convenient so

I probably drink about 50% fresh, 50% kefir.

Cheers,

>

> what is even better than raw milk is fermented raw milk like kefir.

it more nutritious and has way more beneficial bacteria.

> personally fermented is the only way i can drink it otherwise i'm in

for severe intestinal cramping. i've also found that besides

carbohydrates (which i don't eat much of), milk products (preferably

raw) are the best thing to keep weight on.

> cheers,

> sabine.

>

[Guest guest]

What cultures? Where? The Maasai do not give cow's milk as a first

food, afaik. All so-called tradtional cultures are not correct in their

dietary choices. The infant gut does not produce it's own immunuglobulin

A, and gets it from human milk. The mother's IgA is antigen specific,

which that of cow's milk is not. The infant gut seals to allergens at

the time of crawling. . . .so regardless of whether a culture seems

traditional to us, if they are giving cow's milk (or mare's or goat's)

before the time of the maturation of the gut, then they are harming the

gut in multifarious ways. They are harming the growth of the gut mucosa,

and making it permeable.

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Host A. Importance of the first meal on the development of cow's milk

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Karjalainen J, JM, Knip M, et al. A bovine albumin peptide as a

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1992; 327:302-307

Kostraba JN, Cruickshanks KJ, Lawler-Heavner J, et al. Early exposure to

cow's milk and solid foods in infancy, genetic predisposition, and risk

of IDDM. Diabetes 1993; 42:288-295

Zetterstrom R, et al. Early infant feeding and micro-ecology of the gut.

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Wold AE, Adlerberth I. Breast feeding and the intestinal microflora of

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Exp Med Biol. 2000;478:77-93. <<An example of changed consequences of

the same microbial colonization is that secretory IgA in the breast-milk

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across the gut mucosa by coating intestinal bacteria and blocking their

interaction with the epithelium.>>

If milk was our second food, wouldn't early humans be called

hunter-milkers, rather than hunter-gatherers?

Desh

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