Re: just sent e-mail to Oprah

[Guest guest]

,

> Does this drive anyone else crazy as well? I don't watch much tv or

> read much mainstream material, but when I see Oprah advocating a low

> fat diet to her millions of viewers after repeated attempts herself to

> lose weight and stay healthy, I get so frustrated! Wouldn't it be

> great if Oprah would at least look at the WAPF site? This is the

> second e-mail I have sent her. I am hoping someone on her team at

> least takes a look. Wow, it could be so life changing for not only

> Oprah, but for so many people. I wonder if it's even possible at this

> stage for her to recommend a WAPF diet to her viewers?

What does Oprah weigh these days, two fidy? And a goiter problem to

boot. Sadly she is surrounded by and taking advice from two " gurus "

who would find the WAPF site sacrilegious.

--

" Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

iron. "

~ Dwight Eisenhower

[Guest guest]

Someone should send her " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " . I would guess she gets

tons of books and has a team to screen them. I think she's at a point

now where she might consider alternatives to the old ways she's been

following that have failed her up to this point.

Who are the two " experts " you are referring to? (I only follow Oprah

on the covers of gossip magazines while I wait in line at the store)

Cheers,

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> > Does this drive anyone else crazy as well? I don't watch much tv or

> > read much mainstream material, but when I see Oprah advocating a low

> > fat diet to her millions of viewers after repeated attempts herself to

> > lose weight and stay healthy, I get so frustrated! Wouldn't it be

> > great if Oprah would at least look at the WAPF site? This is the

> > second e-mail I have sent her. I am hoping someone on her team at

> > least takes a look. Wow, it could be so life changing for not only

> > Oprah, but for so many people. I wonder if it's even possible at this

> > stage for her to recommend a WAPF diet to her viewers?

>

> What does Oprah weigh these days, two fidy? And a goiter problem to

> boot. Sadly she is surrounded by and taking advice from two " gurus "

> who would find the WAPF site sacrilegious.

>

>

> --

> " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

> signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

> not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

> not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

> the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

> cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

> iron. "

>

> ~ Dwight Eisenhower

>

[Guest guest]

I hate the narrow mindedness of the mass culture. They always want a quick fix

to their problems rather than to read from the individuals who know this stuff

through and through. I was looking for something definitive and found Sally

Fallon, Enig, and then Weston A. Price and then others. There have always

been massive limitations to many of the authors I've read beforehand. Always

introducing poor science and saying " that's all you need to do " . So the

individual will just stop there and stop questioning things. Then the same

cycle of problems manifest in a different way. That's the reason why I don't

think she will gain that much interest or even gain the right type of deserved

interest even if she is featured. I genuinely like what WAPF represents. It's

my theory, but it could hurt the reputation as the EatFatLoseFat will become

another fad. It will be just another " one of those fad diets " . What it will do

is help many of it's

supporters as perhaps professionals that support WAPF and the traditional ways

will get more clients. Which is good. I think the true values that we'd like

to instill on the mass media will be overlooked. I don't know if I'm being

overly skeptical about the outcome or too optimistic of the meaning of it. I

hate the fact that everything is in a pill now and find out you get more balance

from natural wholesome sources. My reality is so artificial. So many people

are unaware and exposed to all these modern poisons. I feel if we don't become

extinct in the next decade it will happen in sometime during this century as

we're all being lead more and more astray by our " shortcuts " of modern society..

I know it represents traditional ways and that's probably one of the reasons

Oprah may reject it. We live in a fast paced society and many people just do

not have time to slow down. We live in hectic times. There are still many good

points, like raw milk and teaching just how warped our modern views can be, how

it's being manipulated. How we're being mislead about proper fat sources and

other various political issues. That's definately a big issue. I theorize one

bad outcome could be that if raw dairy is legalized many of the farmers that

aren't capable of grasping the concept of wholesome farming will be forced to

push poor quality perhaps dangerous raw milk. That will also make the WAPF

movement look bad. I would definately like these subjects be thoroughly looked

into by Oprah and WAPF advocates such as Sally Fallon, Enig, Chris

Masterjohn, etc. Naw, it would just be a shallow stint.

Kinda more like ramblings, oh well.

Thank you,

Holt

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:32 AM, " paulsonntagericson " <paulsonntagericson@...>

wrote:

Someone should send her " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " . I would guess she gets

tons of books and has a team to screen them. I think she's at a point

now where she might consider alternatives to the old ways she's been

following that have failed her up to this point.

Who are the two " experts " you are referring to? (I only follow Oprah

on the covers of gossip magazines while I wait in line at the store)

Cheers,

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> > Does this drive anyone else crazy as well? I don't watch much tv or

> > read much mainstream material, but when I see Oprah advocating a low

> > fat diet to her millions of viewers after repeated attempts herself to

> > lose weight and stay healthy, I get so frustrated! Wouldn't it be

> > great if Oprah would at least look at the WAPF site? This is the

> > second e-mail I have sent her. I am hoping someone on her team at

> > least takes a look. Wow, it could be so life changing for not only

> > Oprah, but for so many people. I wonder if it's even possible at this

> > stage for her to recommend a WAPF diet to her viewers?

>

> What does Oprah weigh these days, two fidy? And a goiter problem to

> boot. Sadly she is surrounded by and taking advice from two " gurus "

> who would find the WAPF site sacrilegious.

>

>

> --

> " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

> signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

> not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

> not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

> the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

> cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

> iron. "

>

> ~ Dwight Eisenhower

>

[Guest guest]

hadn't really thought of it in this way. THanks, . There is the

perfect time and place for everything and I wouldn't want this

movement to be compromised in any way.

Oprah has a few gurus. i like her spiritual gurus very much, but her

nutrition/health gurus are Dr. Memet Oz and Bob Greene. There is also

another doctor she uses, but I don't know his name. I wish she had at

least followed Dr.Northrup's philosophy in trying to get healthy--I

know Northrup still touts the value of soy, but she at least doesn't

demonize saturated fat and her approach is very holistic.

Anyhow, the other interesting point is that Oprah's chat group people

have apparently censored my e-mails? Seems so strange! I have written

2 posts which they have not put up on site and I am wondering if I

have made some sort of mistake when I tried to post it or are they

actually censoring it? Scary!

> >

> > ,

> >

> > > Does this drive anyone else crazy as well? I don't watch much tv or

> > > read much mainstream material, but when I see Oprah advocating a low

> > > fat diet to her millions of viewers after repeated attempts

herself to

> > > lose weight and stay healthy, I get so frustrated! Wouldn't it be

> > > great if Oprah would at least look at the WAPF site? This is the

> > > second e-mail I have sent her. I am hoping someone on her team at

> > > least takes a look. Wow, it could be so life changing for not only

> > > Oprah, but for so many people. I wonder if it's even possible at

this

> > > stage for her to recommend a WAPF diet to her viewers?

> >

> > What does Oprah weigh these days, two fidy? And a goiter problem to

> > boot. Sadly she is surrounded by and taking advice from two " gurus "

> > who would find the WAPF site sacrilegious.

> >

> >

> > --

> > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired

> > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are

> > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is

> > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,

> > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the

> > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of

> > iron. "

> >

> > ~ Dwight Eisenhower

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

okay, just realized they are not censoring me. i was not supposed to

post web site addresses in my message so i took them out and resent.

lisa

Anyhow, the other interesting point is that Oprah's chat group people

have apparently censored my e-mails? Seems so strange! I have written

2 posts which they have not put up on site and I am wondering if I

have made some sort of mistake when I tried to post it or are they

actually censoring it? Scary!

[Guest guest]

> Oprah has a few gurus. i like her spiritual gurus very much, but her

> nutrition/health gurus are Dr. Memet Oz and Bob Greene.

Every single diet where I've heard from the people who love that diet,

someone will say, " if only Oprah would do this one. " I've heard this

for Fat Flush, Crossfit, Atkins, Protein Power, Ornish, 80/10/10,

McDougall, South Beach.

OMG the highest profile yo-yo dieter in the US, we are to listen to?

Reality is, we have to figure out what works for our own selves, as

celebrities, (!!!) doctors, fitness people can't know because the

science is not there yet and those people rely on the science.

Connie

[Guest guest]

That's what I like about NT and the particular movement inspired by Weston A.

Price. It's not a fad diet and it is based on whole food eating. No shortcuts.

No tricks. Pure structured concepts. There might be harsh side effects to

multi-vitamins. There might not be. It also has a strong foundation.

Everything is thought out and backed up by research. While I'm sure many people

deviate from it for whatever reason, same thing with any other nutrition plan,

that's just human nature, the concepts being taught are well thought out and

backed up. It covers so many issues when it comes to whole food eating such as

how to cook food, thorough explanation of preventative habits. And highly

natural medicinal food that is far more effective. While it sounds disgusting

to most people, self responsibility, liver, lemons, and whey are much more

powerful boosts than coffee, energy drinks, or crack. I drink energy drinks for

taste, so yeah, I deviate. Yeah,

there's the psychology. Sure, alot of people can't follow such a strict diet

or any in general. However, being that there is a simple explanation for many

ailments one can take concepts from this and utilize it.

Thank you,

Holt

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:09 AM, " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> Oprah has a few gurus. i like her spiritual gurus very much, but her

> nutrition/health gurus are Dr. Memet Oz and Bob Greene.

Every single diet where I've heard from the people who love that diet,

someone will say, " if only Oprah would do this one. " I've heard this

for Fat Flush, Crossfit, Atkins, Protein Power, Ornish, 80/10/10,

McDougall, South Beach.

OMG the highest profile yo-yo dieter in the US, we are to listen to?

Reality is, we have to figure out what works for our own selves, as

celebrities, (!!!) doctors, fitness people can't know because the

science is not there yet and those people rely on the science.

Connie

[Guest guest]

here's a new article about Oprah and her thyroid problems

http://www.naturalnews.com/025325.html

[Guest guest]

-

You said with the WAPF >>Everything is thought out and backed up by

research>> which is not true. There is much about breastfeeding that is

wrong on the site and not grounded in science. Emma Davies makes the

claim that the GAPS protocol touted by the WAPF can do harm, by ignoring

food chemical intolerances (and the science behind them). There are good

scientifically-based ideas at WAPF (and well-researched articles), but

something rules there other than scientific rigor on a few big issues.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

,

> That's what I like about NT and the particular movement inspired by Weston

> A. Price. It's not a fad diet and it is based on whole food eating. No

> shortcuts. No tricks. Pure structured concepts. There might be harsh side

> effects to multi-vitamins. There might not be. It also has a strong

> foundation. Everything is thought out and backed up by research.

______

>That will also make the WAPF movement look bad. I would definately like these

subjects be thoroughly looked into by Oprah and >WAPF advocates such as Sally

Fallon, Enig, Masterjohn, etc.

Keep in mind the inspiration of Weston Price goes far beyond the

Weston A. Price Foundation. The WAPF is simply one data point in a

much larger universe, and isn't always in agreement with others who

occupy that same universe, while professing adherence to the same

principles.

Plus there are others who have written along the same lines as Weston

Price, like Sir McCarrison and Vilhjalmur Stefansson, whose

unique contributions and insights, while fitting well within the

universe Weston Price occupied, are not recognized or receive very

little emphasis from the foundation created just a few years ago that

bears his name, i.e, WAPF.

Nor is it necessarily true that the WAPF reflects accurately at all

points the work of Weston Price. or that we can be certain that Price

would agree with some of the emphasis (or lack thereof) coming from

the WAPF in certain areas.

Nor is it necessarily true that Weston Price, let alone those who

claim to explicitly follow in his footsteps, was correct in all his

observations or rather interpretations of what he observed.

If there is a " WAPF movement, " as distinct from a WAP movement, it

is, IMO, a reflection of its political activism, especially at the

Federal level, which may or may not be a good thing, but is certainly

distinct from the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, which Sally

Fallon has said she explicitly left as a board member and started WAPF

because they were not " activists. "

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

,

> Who are the two " experts " you are referring to? (I only follow Oprah

> on the covers of gossip magazines while I wait in line at the store)

That would be Dr. Oz and Bob Greene, her trainer.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

Connie,

> Every single diet where I've heard from the people who love that diet,

> someone will say, " if only Oprah would do this one. " I've heard this

> for Fat Flush, Crossfit, Atkins, Protein Power, Ornish, 80/10/10,

> McDougall, South Beach.

>

> OMG the highest profile yo-yo dieter in the US, we are to listen to?

>

> Reality is, we have to figure out what works for our own selves, as

> celebrities, (!!!) doctors, fitness people can't know because the

> science is not there yet and those people rely on the science.

This is her new years plan: http://www.oprah.com/media/20081030_tows_newplan

IMO, just setting herself and millions of viewers up for failure. The

diet sucks, the exercise routines are chump. and really, why would

anyone listen to a chronic dieter who has continually failed? Multiple

meals a day, chronic cardio, eggwhites!, light weight lifting, and a

diet devoid of taste and fat, even if that did work - no thank you!

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

> IMO, just setting herself and millions of viewers up for failure. The

> diet sucks, the exercise routines are chump. and really, why would

> anyone listen to a chronic dieter who has continually failed? Multiple

> meals a day, chronic cardio, eggwhites!, light weight lifting, and a

> diet devoid of taste and fat, even if that did work - no thank you!

>

>

I'm with you , but sadly this regime might work for her for a

while, until the next time she quits the awfulness of it all. Low

calorie low fat does work for some people and she is not apple shaped

so probably doesn't have the insulin issues yet.

oh dear, " a body part per day " - is there any element of that plan that

is NOT outdated and the least effective choice of all possibilities?

I have half a mind to start my own blog of everything that is anti

Oprah's plan.

Connie's " sleep it off " plan

( " overindulged ? sleep it off!)

(thanks to " Lights Out, " WAPF, " Slow Burn " , Groves/Kwasniewski)

instead of this.... => this

14 hour workdays => 9 hours sleep a night

6 small lowfat meals => 3 high fat, adequate protein, low carb

30 minute cardio => 15-20 minute strength trainings 2x wk, full body

strength training => same 2 sessions

strolling when and if I walk

seated joint mobility daily

ha ha ha

C

[Guest guest]

Connie

>> IMO, just setting herself and millions of viewers up for failure. The

>> diet sucks, the exercise routines are chump. and really, why would

>> anyone listen to a chronic dieter who has continually failed? Multiple

>> meals a day, chronic cardio, eggwhites!, light weight lifting, and a

>> diet devoid of taste and fat, even if that did work - no thank you!

>>

>>

>

> I'm with you , but sadly this regime might work for her for a

> while, until the next time she quits the awfulness of it all. Low

> calorie low fat does work for some people and she is not apple shaped

> so probably doesn't have the insulin issues yet.

If she doesn't yet have insulin or other hormonal issues, then I have

a whole different suggestion for her below.

> oh dear, " a body part per day " - is there any element of that plan that

> is NOT outdated and the least effective choice of all possibilities?

Yeah, I was really surprised at that one. She's not training for the

Miss Olympia title after all, and certainly not with those piddly

weights even doing a " body part style " workout.

> I have half a mind to start my own blog of everything that is anti

> Oprah's plan.

Well I would certainly subscribe!

> Connie's " sleep it off " plan

>

> ( " overindulged ? sleep it off!)

> (thanks to " Lights Out, " WAPF, " Slow Burn " , Groves/Kwasniewski)

>

> instead of this.... => this

>

> 14 hour workdays => 9 hours sleep a night

> 6 small lowfat meals => 3 high fat, adequate protein, low carb

Actually assuming she is not suffering from metabolic syndrome (and I

will take your word on her body shape being the tell tale factor but I

do have my doubts, especially with her goiter problems), I would allow

her to keep her preferred macro-nutrient ratio but here is the changes

I would make:

1. Low PUFA - that means the majority of her fat intake would be

saturated or mono-unsaturated fat with most of that being saturated.

That would cause a huge upset in her meals, even though she could

still enjoy low fat. Her viewers and " gurus " would probably become

apoplectic at the thought. Actually her viewers might be relieved,

" hey Oprah said it was okay to inject a little flavor in our diets. "

:-)

2. High carbs - sure, but no grains. Another dietary upset but still

she can maintain her preferred macro-nutrient ratio, and move the

sweet potato from the indulgence category to the staple category. She

could have some grains under one condition, they were prepared in the

same manner as her forbears.

3. If she wants she can keep the protein somewhere between 10 and 15

percent to suit her preferred macro-nutrient style.

I would tell her this is a regime that some of her African forbears

not only survived and thrived with, but because of the miracles of

modern technology she can do it without eating insects :-)

See this is where I think WAPF might gain a whole new audience, by

showing people how they can survive and thrive on the predominant food

ratio that is marketed today as being healthy. Get people over the

right fat hurdle first, and then if need be get them into eating more

of that fat. Although if they ate the saturated fat level of a group

like the Kitavans, where 17% of the 21% of their total fat percentage

was saturated, they would be eating far more saturated fat than your

typical westerner even though total fat would be low by western

standards.

> 30 minute cardio => 15-20 minute strength trainings 2x wk, full body

For Oprah, I would throw in some beach sprints or some kind of

interval/tabata style training to kick her fat burning into high gear.

In fact she is carrying enough weight that she doesn't need any kind

of exercise equipment to get a good " cardio " workout.

> strength training => same 2 sessions

> strolling when and if I walk

> seated joint mobility daily

>

> ha ha ha

All sounds good. Additionally I would tell her to stop eating for a

day or two each week. Maybe when she has to work one of those 14 hour

days, where food is probably an afterthought anyway but she thinks she

needs to eat a big meal at the end of the day. Better to go home and

just go to bed. Her body will love her for it.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

I would love to see a plan like yours be followed so publicly.

Specially the part about honoring forbears.

That would be so cool.

And I would also love the outcry about low PUFA and the specially-

prepared grains.

C

> needs to eat a big meal at the end of the day. Better to go home and

> just go to bed. Her body will love her for it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Connie,

> I would love to see a plan like yours be followed so publicly.

>

> Specially the part about honoring forbears.

> That would be so cool.

I figure that is the only way you would even have a chance of remotely

getting a hearing, because such an approach would certainly

reverberate among certain parts of the public.

Also I think people would quickly figure out that if saturated fat is

good for me in large amounts, even though total fat is low, then maybe

high total fat isn't that bad after all.

> And I would also love the outcry about low PUFA and the specially-

> prepared grains.

Yeah, Oprah thinks she had enemies when she spoke out against

meat...she doesn't know the half of it if she took on the seed oil

industry. The specially prepared grains however still has a generation

of folks living in America who remembered when such advice was

actually on the cartoon of a box of oatmeal. I imagine it could even

be used as a marketing technique..

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

> The specially prepared grains however still has a generation

> of folks living in America who remembered when such advice was

> actually on the cartoon of a box of oatmeal. I imagine it could even

> be used as a marketing technique..

Harkening back to your earlier comment about 24 hour soaking not being

enough. Do you know if the earlier packaging of oatmeal talked about

longer soaking? (the carton you spoke of) just curious.

Connie

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

>> The specially prepared grains however still has a generation

>> of folks living in America who remembered when such advice was

>> actually on the cartoon of a box of oatmeal. I imagine it could even

>> be used as a marketing technique..

>

> Harkening back to your earlier comment about 24 hour soaking not being

> enough. Do you know if the earlier packaging of oatmeal talked about

> longer soaking? (the carton you spoke of) just curious.

I don't recall. If I were to guess I would probably say no. Lets see

if I can dig it up again.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

I'd subscribe

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> I have half a mind to start my own blog of everything that is anti

> Oprah's plan.

>

> Connie's " sleep it off " plan

>

> ( " overindulged ? sleep it off!)

> (thanks to " Lights Out, " WAPF, " Slow Burn " , Groves/Kwasniewski)

>

> instead of this.... => this

>

> 14 hour workdays => 9 hours sleep a night

> 6 small lowfat meals => 3 high fat, adequate protein, low carb

> 30 minute cardio => 15-20 minute strength trainings 2x wk, full body

> strength training => same 2 sessions

> strolling when and if I walk

> seated joint mobility daily

>

> ha ha ha

>

> C

>

[Guest guest]

--- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> Harkening back to your earlier comment about 24 hour soaking not

> being enough. Do you know if the earlier packaging of oatmeal

> talked about longer soaking? (the carton you spoke of) just

> curious.

Connie,

I've read that oats don't have enough phytase to counteract very much

of the phytate, so soaking alone won't get rid of much of it with oats.

Rose has done an excellent job of researching phytates and

here's what she suggests (from one of her newsletters)

===============================================================

Porridges

We have learned that phytates matter - they inhibit our digestion

of minerals. If we can break down the phytates in our food, we

will digest more of the minerals in our meals. Porridges are a

great place to begin with understanding the phytate-fighting

system because the basic elements apply to most other foods.

Generally speaking, to break down phytates you need:

* Moisture

* Warmth

* Acid pH

* Time

In the context of porridges (which includes hot breakfast cereals

like oatmeal and main dish grains like couscous or bulgur), you

need to do the following:

* Moisture: Place the grain in a bowl with about equal parts

warm water.

* Warmth: The water temperature should be between 45 and 55

degrees C (113-131 degrees F), just above body temperature.

* Acid: Add an acidic ingredient to water to achieve a pH level of

4.5 to 5.5. For best results use whey, yogurt, or kefir

(approximately 2 tablespoons per cup of grain). Otherwise add

about 2 tablespoons of lemon juice per cup of grain.

* Cover with a clean dishcloth to keep the bugs out.

* Warmth + Time: Soak in a warm spot for at least two and at

best twelve hours.

***Tip: Soak your breakfast cereal or other grain porridge

overnight as I describe. In exchange for your soaking

preparation time, your cooking time will decrease dramatically.

Exception

Every good rule has its exception and in this case, it is oatmeal.

Oats have a naturally low level of the enzyme phytase. Soaking

it as described above will be only marginally effective.

***Tip: Add some fresh ground wheat to your oats.

Add about 10% wheat to your oatmeal and follow the directions

above for soaking. Fresh ground wheat is high in the enzyme

phytase.

***Tip: If you don't own a grain mill, put a tablespoon or two

of wheat berries (kernels) in your coffee mill to add to your

oatmeal. You'll learn about why fresh ground grain is better

in the next issue.

Question from a reader:

Q: What happens to the phytates when you soak? Do they get

broken down or do they just get leached out of the grain/nut/

legume? And so should you throw away the soaking water/

whey/kefir etc?

A: Phytates are basically dissolved and so you do not need

to worry about the water that is left after soaking. With

porridges, in fact, some people soak them in the same container

they will be cooking them in. They put them on to soak the night

before and then just cook them the following day. That should

be fine.

Some foods like quinoa require rinsing before cooking. I soak

them, discard the water, and then rinse. There is probably

no reason you couldn't rinse and then soak and cook.

With beans, I typically discard the water and rinse the beans

before cooking just for gas-prevention reasons.

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has a free course on phytic acid here:

http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/subscribe/subscribe/phytic_acid.html

[Guest guest]

> Rose has done an excellent job of researching phytates and

> here's what she suggests (from one of her newsletters)

Thanks, . She uses wheat which I want to avoid. I wonder if going

past soaking to sprouting would be an answer.

Connie

[Guest guest]

,

> I've read that oats don't have enough phytase to counteract very much

> of the phytate, so soaking alone won't get rid of much of it with oats.

Yes you are right and I should have been clearer that IIRC it wasn't

just soaking that made the oatmeal gruel/porridge nutritionally

viable. I really need to get my hands on one of my two copies of NAPD

so I can provide direct notes.

> Rose has done an excellent job of researching phytates and

> here's what she suggests (from one of her newsletters)

> ===============================================================

I was going to link to her PDF but she uses wheat as a part of the

process. There are other problems with wheat than just the phytates,

which her process doesn't address.

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

--- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> I wonder if going past soaking to sprouting would be an answer.

Connie, I skimmed through 's newsletters that I saved, and she

says that sprouting grains and making sourdough breads with fresh

grains are the most effective methods at reducing phytates.

Apparently stored grains gradually lose some of their phytase over

time. I'm not sure how that effects sprouting. I've never heard of

sprouted oats or sourdough oat bread, but I don't see why not.

Sourdough wheat is supposed to modify the gluten to make it less

problematic for those who are sensitive.

[Guest guest]

,

> Sourdough wheat is supposed to modify the gluten to make it less

> problematic for those who are sensitive.

At best it appears to get 98% of the gluten, and that only with the

right strains, and there are still other issues with wheat that are

not overcome with a 24 hour sourdough ferment.

http://www.gofrolic.org/gofrolic/food_blog/Entries/2008/11/28_Sourdough_and_Glut\

en_II.html

If bread is important to someone, best in my opinion to take a nod

from Weston Price observations and go with a long fermented bread:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/bezians-bakery-los-angeles

--

" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

[Guest guest]

more info on fermented bread - Bread Dread: Are you Really Gluten Intolerant?

http://tinyurl.com/38lpwe

>

> ,

>

> > Sourdough wheat is supposed to modify the gluten to make it less

> > problematic for those who are sensitive.

>

> At best it appears to get 98% of the gluten, and that only with the

> right strains, and there are still other issues with wheat that are

> not overcome with a 24 hour sourdough ferment.

>

http://www.gofrolic.org/gofrolic/food_blog/Entries/2008/11/28_Sourdough_and_Glut\

en_

II.html

>

> If bread is important to someone, best in my opinion to take a nod

> from Weston Price observations and go with a long fermented bread:

> http://www.yelp.com/biz/bezians-bakery-los-angeles

>

>

> --

> " We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

> spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

> administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

> -- and an enormous debt to boot. "

> - Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

>