RE: Peanuts are Goitrogens...

[Guest guest]

In addition to being goitrogens, they can contain genistein. Although

I've had a hard time really nailing down how common it is and the

levels. I've seen figures that are all over the map. But I think this

is normal across the entire plant kingdom. Even some varieties of

soybeans are low in genistein, it's just the common, modern cultvars

that are high in genistein as far as I can tell.

>

> I didn't realize this. I typically avoid them due to PUFA, but recently

> gave in because I had a few jars of all natural PB from WIC that I

needed to

> use since they were close to expiry. I drained them of their oil

and mixed

> in a bunch of butter to make up for the PUFA and ate some daily for

3 or 4

> days.

> I spent the next week trying to figure out where I ate bromate or

fluoride,

> since I was feeling so suppressed, and then when I was telling a

friend who

> didn't know the dangers of soy about goitrogens, he googled up a

list that

> included peanuts. I was like, " OH... Duh, no wonder. " I can

honestly say

> though this is the first time goitrogens have effected me as

strongly as the

> bad halogens.

> Just makes me think of growing up and eating all those PB & J sandwiches -

> Brominated white flour, HFCS, PUFA and goitrogens. Sheesh... No

wonder I

> never ran a normal temp back then.

>

> -Lana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lana,

Can you expand on " mixed in a bunch of butter to make up for the PUFA " ?

Thanks,

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:47 AM

Subject: Peanuts are Goitrogens...

I didn't realize this. I typically avoid them due to PUFA, but recently

gave in because I had a few jars of all natural PB from WIC that I needed to

use since they were close to expiry. I drained them of their oil and mixed

in a bunch of butter to make up for the PUFA and ate some daily for 3 or 4

days.

I spent the next week trying to figure out where I ate bromate or fluoride,

since I was feeling so suppressed, and then when I was telling a friend who

didn't know the dangers of soy about goitrogens, he googled up a list that

included peanuts. I was like, " OH... Duh, no wonder. " I can honestly say

though this is the first time goitrogens have effected me as strongly as the

bad halogens.

Just makes me think of growing up and eating all those PB & J sandwiches -

Brominated white flour, HFCS, PUFA and goitrogens. Sheesh... No wonder I

never ran a normal temp back then.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I softened a stick of butter by letting it sit out on the counter and once

it was soft enough, I mixed it into the jar of drained peanut butter -

basically replacing the peanut oil with it. Tastes much better than PB that

way. Too bad its so goitrogenic...

-Lana

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> Lana,

>

>

>

> Can you expand on " mixed in a bunch of butter to make up for the PUFA " ?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kathy

[Guest guest]

--- Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> I softened a stick of butter by letting it sit out on the counter and

> once it was soft enough, I mixed it into the jar of drained peanut

> butter - basically replacing the peanut oil with it. Tastes much

> better than PB that way. Too bad its so goitrogenic...

Lana,

I buy organic peanut butter (Maranatha) and pour off the oil at the

top too. I use it to make peanut butter and pasture butter sandwiches

as much as once or twice a week, though not every week. I use about 3

tbsp of pasture butter with about 2-3 tbsp of peanut butter with two

slices of Alvarado Street sprouted sourdough bread. I haven't noticed

any problems with that amount, even twice a week. I wouldn't eat it

every day though, but it's one tasty way to eat pasture butter

[Guest guest]

--- <paulsonntagericson@...> wrote:

> In addition to being goitrogens, they can contain genistein.

> Although I've had a hard time really nailing down how common it is

> and the levels. I've seen figures that are all over the map. But I

> think this is normal across the entire plant kingdom. Even some

> varieties of soybeans are low in genistein, it's just the common,

> modern cultvars that are high in genistein as far as I can tell.

,

The USDA recently released an updated survey of isoflavones in food

and peanuts are quite low, around 0.01 to 0.02 mg/100g. However, I

noticed that " reduced fat " peanut butter had about 2 mg/100g, maybe

from added soy.

I did a google search on peanut goitrogens and this was the first article:

Thyroid suppressing foods

http://standing1.home.mindspring.com/thyroid/badfood.html

" Raw peanuts or soybeans should never be eaten. Fortunately, peanut

butter is heated to a high enough degree that the goitrogens are

destroyed. "

Here's the second article:

World's Healthiest Foods - Peanuts

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=101

" Peanuts contain goitrogens, naturally-occurring substances in certain

foods that can interfere with the functioning of the thyroid gland.

Individuals with already existing and untreated thyroid problems may

want to avoid peanuts for this reason. Cooking may help to inactivate

the goitrogenic compounds found in food. However, it is not clear from

the research exactly what percent of goitrogenic compounds get

inactivated by cooking, or exactly how much risk is involved with the

consumption of peanuts by individuals with pre-existing and untreated

thyroid problems. "

Overall, it looks like peanuts grown in a dry environment (minimal

aflatoxin) are a decent food in small amounts, but should not be used

as a staple.

[Guest guest]

Are other nuts goitrogenous and genisteinous?

On Feb 15, 2009, at 8:24 AM, wrote:

I buy organic peanut butter (Maranatha) and pour off the oil at the

top too. I use it to make peanut butter and pasture butter sandwiches

as much as once or twice a week, though not every week. I use about 3

tbsp of pasture butter with about 2-3 tbsp of peanut butter with two

slices of Alvarado Street sprouted sourdough bread. I haven't noticed

any problems with that amount, even twice a week. I wouldn't eat it

every day though, but it's one tasty way to eat pasture butter

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

--- Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Are other nuts goitrogenous and genisteinous?

,

If you look at this list of isoflavones, you'll see there are tiny

amounts in many nuts. The highest amounts listed are for pistachio

nuts at 3.6 mg/100g. That compares to about 85 to 180 mg/100g for raw

soybeans. That's probably not significant.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/isoflav/Isoflav_R2.pdf

Isoflavones are both goitrogens and phytoestrogens.

Here's another good article on goitrogens:

Goitrogenic Foods

http://www.iodine4health.com/special/goitrogens/foods/goitrogenic_foods.htm

And:

What are goitrogens and in which foods are they found?

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

Most nuts are fairly high in PUFA and should accordingly be eaten in

relatively small amounts and/or infrequently. And nuts, like other

seeds, need to be soaked and/or sprouted to optimize mineral

absorption because of phytates.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lana,

I meant the making up for the PUFA part. Do you mean butter is the oil you

replace the peanut butter oil with? I LOVE 1 part almond butter mixed with

2 parts coconut oil!

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:01 AM

Subject: Re: Peanuts are Goitrogens...

Kathy,

I softened a stick of butter by letting it sit out on the counter and once

it was soft enough, I mixed it into the jar of drained peanut butter -

basically replacing the peanut oil with it. Tastes much better than PB that

way. Too bad its so goitrogenic...

-Lana

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...

<mailto:kathy.dickson%40tx.rr.com> >wrote:

> Lana,

>

>

>

> Can you expand on " mixed in a bunch of butter to make up for the PUFA " ?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kathy

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much.

On Feb 15, 2009, at 2:37 PM, wrote:

--- Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Are other nuts goitrogenous and genisteinous?

,

If you look at this list of isoflavones, you'll see there are tiny

amounts in many nuts. The highest amounts listed are for pistachio

nuts at 3.6 mg/100g. That compares to about 85 to 180 mg/100g for raw

soybeans. That's probably not significant.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/isoflav/

Isoflav_R2.pdf

Isoflavones are both goitrogens and phytoestrogens.

Here's another good article on goitrogens:

Goitrogenic Foods

http://www.iodine4health.com/special/goitrogens/foods/

goitrogenic_foods.htm

And:

What are goitrogens and in which foods are they found?

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

Most nuts are fairly high in PUFA and should accordingly be eaten in

relatively small amounts and/or infrequently. And nuts, like other

seeds, need to be soaked and/or sprouted to optimize mineral

absorption because of phytates.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is what I mean.

-Lana

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> Thanks Lana,

>

>

>

> I meant the making up for the PUFA part. Do you mean butter is the oil you

> replace the peanut butter oil with? I LOVE 1 part almond butter mixed with

> 2 parts coconut oil!

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons

> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:01 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Peanuts are Goitrogens...

>

>

>

> Kathy,

> I softened a stick of butter by letting it sit out on the counter and once

> it was soft enough, I mixed it into the jar of drained peanut butter -

> basically replacing the peanut oil with it. Tastes much better than PB that

> way. Too bad its so goitrogenic...

>

> -Lana

>

[Guest guest]

Umm...why would anyone following a WAP type diet want to include an

improperly prepared (and goitrogenic) legume, the most difficult of

all foods to prepare properly, as a part of that diet?

--

It doesn't matter how many people don't get it. What matters is how

many people do. If you have a strong informed opinion, don't keep it

to yourself. Try and help people and make the world a better place. If

you strive to do anything remotely interesting, just expect a small

percentage of the population to always find a way to take it

personally. F*ck 'em. There are no statues erected to critics.

- Ferriss

[Guest guest]

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that there

was a salmonella outbreak in peanut products...

now maybe some people will stop eating them.

They have such a high level of mold and

aflotoxin as well... to many negatives that

outweigh any positive reasons to ingest them.

PS Scary thing is... every time factory farming

food has a health scare, no one thinks to go back

to the organic, biodynamic growing/farming practices

of past generations but instead want to start some

new government agency to control our food. I say,

whoever controls, monitors and has a say in what

healthcare you can have and what food you can eat

controls the people.

--- In , <slethnobotanist@...>

wrote:

>

> Umm...why would anyone following a WAP type diet want to include an

> improperly prepared (and goitrogenic) legume, the most difficult of

> all foods to prepare properly, as a part of that diet?

>

>

> --

> It doesn't matter how many people don't get it. What matters is how

> many people do. If you have a strong informed opinion, don't keep it

> to yourself. Try and help people and make the world a better place. If

> you strive to do anything remotely interesting, just expect a small

> percentage of the population to always find a way to take it

> personally. F*ck 'em. There are no statues erected to critics.

>

> - Ferriss

>