Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Sorry if I missed the thread.....anyone want to reinform me as to what is wrong with millet? Or at least provide a link so I can do reading on my own? Nanette L. millet for chickens? okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy option for a grain. so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? i am trying to source my grains as locally as possible, and what i am finding so far here in colorado is wheat, millet, corn and possibly quinoa. thanks! lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Would love to hear what is unhealthy about millet? if any one has a link..n On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, lisa_mc_connell <mmlisa2@...>wrote: > okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy option for > a grain. so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? i am trying > to source my grains as locally as possible, and what i am finding so > far here in colorado is wheat, millet, corn and possibly quinoa. > > thanks! > lisa > > > -- LoBue Events Our menus are organic, local and seasonal. We are committed to supporting sustainable agriculture and responsible usage of our resources. Chef LoBue 415-722-3934 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi All, I have seen discuss this in the past as part of a recent thread on preparing grains and found this and may have answered my own question about whether it would be good for chickens. from Chris: There are groups that extensively process millet through fermentation, leaching, and cooking. One could observe this and from it assume that millet must be ferm fermented, leached, and cooked to be rendered healthy, but one would be wrong. The fermentation and cooking both dramatically increase the food's goitrogenicity. The people who practice this suffer from widespread goiter. Parts of the region where they eat more wheat and animal protein and less millet have much less goiter. Animal experiments suggest that the least goitrogenic way to eat millet is by eating it raw and unprocessed. Whether that has its own problems, I have no idea. But the point is that just because something is traditional doesn't mean it is valuable or even not harmful. It means nothing more than that it is traditional. One must look at further evidence, like whether those groups were healthy, whether they considered the traditional food to be of importance to their health if so, and whether one can generate corroborative evidence of those beliefs if they exist. > > Would love to hear what is unhealthy about millet? if any one has a link..n > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, lisa_mc_connell <mmlisa2@...>wrote: > > > okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy option for > > a grain. so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? i am trying > > to source my grains as locally as possible, and what i am finding so > > far here in colorado is wheat, millet, corn and possibly quinoa. > > > > thanks! > > lisa > > > > > > > > > > -- > LoBue Events > Our menus are organic, local and seasonal. We are committed to supporting > sustainable agriculture and responsible usage of our resources. > Chef LoBue > 415-722-3934 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Wouldn't taking sufficient iodine offset the goitrogenic properties anyways? I thought (maybe mistakenly) that goitrogens often acted by somehow depleting the body's iodine or blocking it from being used by the thyroid. I found this entry in Wikipedia that has a list of goitrogens and you don't hear people advising against eating the other foods on there - i.e. strawberries, broccoli, or pears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen So is millet a much worse goitrogen or is it just easy to knock because it's not a beloved part of our diet? We do feed our chickens millet, milo too as I usually feed them on wild bird feed - get #40 bags for around $20 these days which is comparable with scratch grains and doesn't have the soy flour and GM corn in it. BTW, this is the worst year ever for frozen eggs! They freeze up before I get out to get them! > > > > Would love to hear what is unhealthy about millet? if any one has a > link..n > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, lisa_mc_connell <mmlisa2@>wrote: > > > > > okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy > option for > > > a grain. so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? i am trying > > > to source my grains as locally as possible, and what i am finding so > > > far here in colorado is wheat, millet, corn and possibly quinoa. > > > > > > thanks! > > > lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > LoBue Events > > Our menus are organic, local and seasonal. We are committed to > supporting > > sustainable agriculture and responsible usage of our resources. > > Chef LoBue > > 415-722-3934 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 , > okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy option for > a grain. At least not in the amounts that can cause problems, which I'm sure will vary from individual to individual. > so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? Personally, I think we need to be careful extrapolating from animals to humans (or vice-versa) when it comes to grain. Is there any grains that humans can eat raw without problems? And yet says that may be the best way to eat millet for animals, which led me to suggest that maybe millet isn't a good food for humans no matter its form. Should you give up millet if you enjoy it and it doesn't cause you problems? Well here is what had to say the abstract of his special report on thyroid toxins: http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/chris-masterjohn-special-reports.htm#thyroid People who have resilient health while eating these foods should continue to eat them with impunity. However, people who have thyroid problems or other problems associated with iodine deficiency or cyanide exposure should consider experimenting with the following dietary restrictions: 1) eliminate millet; 2) moderate soy and only consume it with additional sources of iodine; 3) limit crucifer intake to five servings per week, only eat more than this if it is boiled and match one's crucifer intake with extra iodine 4) avoid foods with cyanogenic glycosides unless they are extensively boiled or crushed and leached in running water for several days, and match one's cyanogen intake with extra iodine and vitamin B12-containing foods or supplements (but not cyanocobalamin). These foods are not inherently unhealthy but simply contain chemicals that have the capacity to harm the health of some people under some circumstances; this is true of all foods. Experience always trumps theory, so the individual should use this information as but one tool with which she or he can experiment to find the most appropriate diet for herself or himself. _______ -- " We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started -- and an enormous debt to boot. " - Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:55 PM, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > Wouldn't taking sufficient iodine offset the goitrogenic properties > anyways? I thought (maybe mistakenly) that goitrogens often acted by > somehow depleting the body's iodine or blocking it from being used by > the thyroid. Regarding millet, not according to Chris's special report: http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/chris-masterjohn-special-reports.htm#thyroid " Dietary iodine is able to overcome the effect of cyanogneic glycosides, moderate amounts of crucifers, and is probably able to overcome the effect of soy flavonoids. Dietary iodine is not able to overcome large amounts of crucifers or any amount of millet. Millet flavonoids may be more dangerous than the others, because they not only interfere with the production of thyroid hormone, but they also appear to interfere with some of the homeostatic mechanisms by which our body compensates for the hypothyroid state. " _________ -- " We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started -- and an enormous debt to boot. " - Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 It was Masterjohn who informed. I will try to find the link. On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:04 AM, LoBue wrote: Would love to hear what is unhealthy about millet? if any one has a link..n Parashis artpages@... artpagesonline.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I took a look at one of my poultry nutrition books (Feeding Poultry by Heuser). And according to him anyway millet is not at all a good chicken feed. Very high fiber and with its hard shell it often passes through undigested and too small for mature poultry. Anyway, you should be able to find oats and barley in CO or WY as well. They are just less common. The oats there should be high enough quality that they might almost make a complete chicken feed. And wheat is a superior feed to millet anyway, particularly CO wheat. Pete lisa_mc_connell wrote: > > okay, so i have read here about millet not being a healthy option for > a grain. so i am assuming that also goes for my chickens? i am trying > to source my grains as locally as possible, and what i am finding so > far here in colorado is wheat, millet, corn and possibly quinoa. > > thanks! > lisa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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