Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 >>We started adding back in items, but with AFP > Peptizyde. The only negative we have seen was when he had an entire > grilled cheese sandwich. If he wasn't highly reactive anymore, what > would have caused the hyperness? Can be phenol intolerance. My son did not tolerate cheese culture, even with enzymes. I decided to try goat milk instead > since I have read it is easier to digest. I know they use it on the > SCD diet. Has anyone done this successfully on a daily basis? I would > like it to be his drink instead of milk subs, but I am scared that he > will become highly reactive to it enventually also. Can anyone please > give me some advice? Once I started giving foods with enzymes, I no longer had to rotate them to prevent developing intolerances. >>I want him off the diet so bad, but am too scared > to quit completely. Right now I am doing a mixture. There is nothing wrong with doing things slowly, and trying to introduce things one at a time. >> If his gut heals > completely, shouldn't he be able to eat anything? Yes. My son's gut was healed with ALA chelation, enzymes, and B vitamins. He no longer needs enzymes or most supplements, and he can eat anything he wants. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Goat's milk has a different lactoglobulin/lactalbumin protein, but casein is nearly the same across species. My milk-allergic son had a terrible reaction to goat's milk when we tried to substitute it for cow's milk. Many serological tests will become negative if what is causing the reaction is not eaten for a while. He may never be able to eat " anything " ...although a rotation diet or avoiding massive constant exposures to the same food over and over might help. If he has a genetic IgA deficiency, food allergies will probably continue. (I'm 61 and mine have.) Maybe you need a higher dose of AFP Peptizyde for a whole grilled cheese sandwich. If you avoid allergens, the gut will heal, but (at least without enzymes), going back to the allergens that caused the problem will probably damage the gut again. The only one I've seen say otherwise is Dana, and she chelated her kids, and after the mercury was out, the allergies were permanently better, although not gone. I don't know if this would be the case for everyone. I kind of doubt it would for myself. But really, your son is not a calf and really does not need cow's milk or cheese. Even if it is undoubtedly more convenient when eating out and all. I'd count myself lucky if he can get away with small exposures in baked goods and things like that rather than pushing the envelope. That's just my opinion. Peace, Kathy E. > > My son was gfcf for a year. In July we had a second IgG test and it > showed he was no longer highly reactive to any wheat and dairy products > except for whey. We started adding back in items, but with AFP > Peptizyde. The only negative we have seen was when he had an entire > grilled cheese sandwich. If he wasn't highly reactive anymore, what > would have caused the hyperness? I decided to try goat milk instead > since I have read it is easier to digest. I know they use it on the > SCD diet. Has anyone done this successfully on a daily basis? I would > like it to be his drink instead of milk subs, but I am scared that he > will become highly reactive to it enventually also. Can anyone please > give me some advice? I want him off the diet so bad, but am too scared > to quit completely. Right now I am doing a mixture. If his gut heals > completely, shouldn't he be able to eat anything? Thanks for any help. > Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 > > I am in the Lousiana/Mississippi area right now and my friends are > looking for raw goat's milk and I am trying to help them. Every farmer > I have talked to on the realmilk website either doesn't have milk b/c > the goats are pregnant or they feed their goats Purina genetically > modified corn and soy. I wish only farmers who fed their goats > properly were listed on the realmilk website or that there was a > separate page for the farmers that are doing right. Anyways, I found > this one farmer who said his goats are pastured all day long but when > they get milked they have some grain in from of them just to nibble on > to help keep them calm. Would this be a no-go situation or could the > goat milk still be nutritious in spite of some errant grain nibbling? > Goat's do not 'nibble' on grain...they will gobble it down as fast as they can. Even if they are full they will eat grains as fast as they can. They don't even have to chew much because they can chew the cud later. I think the farmer knew a lot of people don't like the idea of feeding grains so he said nibble to make it sound better. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I don't know what his motivations are for telling me about the " nibbling " but he said I could go watch them get milked. He was trying to be transparent which I appreciated. The question then becomes do goats who are on pasture all day but nibble and/or pig out on Goat chow have nutritional value worth going through the trouble for? I think of the food I get at whole foods (the bacon and the chicken and the non-grassfed beef) and I don't think it could be worse than that but I guess the only way to know for sure would be to have the milk tested for nutrients and that's not going to happen. I guess I should also ask him if he vaccinates the goats too. > > > > I am in the Lousiana/Mississippi area right now and my friends are > > looking for raw goat's milk and I am trying to help them. Every farmer > > I have talked to on the realmilk website either doesn't have milk b/c > > the goats are pregnant or they feed their goats Purina genetically > > modified corn and soy. I wish only farmers who fed their goats > > properly were listed on the realmilk website or that there was a > > separate page for the farmers that are doing right. Anyways, I found > > this one farmer who said his goats are pastured all day long but when > > they get milked they have some grain in from of them just to nibble on > > to help keep them calm. Would this be a no-go situation or could the > > goat milk still be nutritious in spite of some errant grain nibbling? > > > > > Goat's do not 'nibble' on grain...they will gobble it down as fast as > they can. Even if they are full they will eat grains as fast as they > can. They don't even have to chew much because they can chew the cud > later. > > I think the farmer knew a lot of people don't like the idea of feeding > grains so he said nibble to make it sound better. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 > > I am in the Lousiana/Mississippi area right now and my friends are > looking for raw goat's milk and I am trying to help them. Every farmer > I have talked to on the realmilk website either doesn't have milk b/c > the goats are pregnant or they feed their goats Purina genetically > modified corn and soy. I wish only farmers who fed their goats > properly were listed on the realmilk website or that there was a > separate page for the farmers that are doing right. Anyways, I found > this one farmer who said his goats are pastured all day long but when > they get milked they have some grain in from of them just to nibble on > to help keep them calm. Would this be a no-go situation or could the > goat milk still be nutritious in spite of some errant grain nibbling? Yes, of course it's still nutritious. Keep in mind the goats are eating pasture much of the day so they are getting that nutrition. I think you would be very hard pressed to find goat milk from goats that don't get at least a little grain. I'm sure they must exist somewhere, but are probably pretty rare. Same for sheep and cows depending on location to some extent. At least here in Maine, I'm aware of only two farms that produce dairy from cows that don't get any grains. I don't know of any dairy-producing goat farms that don't feed grains in this area however. Suze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...> wrote: >... I think you > would be very hard pressed to find goat milk from goats that don't get at > least a little grain. I'm sure they must exist somewhere, but are probably > pretty rare. Same for sheep and cows depending on location to some extent. > At least here in Maine, I'm aware of only two farms that produce dairy from > cows that don't get any grains. I don't know of any dairy-producing goat > farms that don't feed grains in this area however. > > Suze The person I used to buy my goat milk from said they used grains to entice the goats to milk, although not very much. Like Suze mentioned, it is rare to find milk from animals fed **only** grass, not even sheep dairy. -- In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather, we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the latter's " own good. " - Walter Block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 We did have goats and cows on hay when our mixer/chopper feed machine was in working order. Grew some wheat hay and chopped it up, added some molasses and fed it while milking. Going to give it a try again next year if we can get the darn machine working. Belinda > > >... I think you > > would be very hard pressed to find goat milk from goats that don't get at > > least a little grain. I'm sure they must exist somewhere, but are probably > > pretty rare. Same for sheep and cows depending on location to some extent. > > At least here in Maine, I'm aware of only two farms that produce dairy from > > cows that don't get any grains. I don't know of any dairy-producing goat > > farms that don't feed grains in this area however. > > > > Suze > > The person I used to buy my goat milk from said they used grains to > entice the goats to milk, although not very much. Like Suze mentioned, > it is rare to find milk from animals fed **only** grass, not even > sheep dairy. > > > -- > In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather, > we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each > of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As > far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular > statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different > meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no > one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the > latter's " own good. " - Walter Block > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 The only thing I've found that my goats liked well enough compared to grains during milking was Sugar Beet Pulp...the leftovers after they extract the sugar out...but I can't be assured that its not GMO anymore so I can't feed it to them any more in good conscious. I tried premade oat straw and molasses, and alfalfa and molasses and they didn't care for it. So now they just get some organic barley and I let them have free access- to some baking soda in case they get a little acidic. - > > > > >... I think you > > > would be very hard pressed to find goat milk from goats that don't > get at > > > least a little grain. I'm sure they must exist somewhere, but are > probably > > > pretty rare. Same for sheep and cows depending on location to some > extent. > > > At least here in Maine, I'm aware of only two farms that produce > dairy from > > > cows that don't get any grains. I don't know of any > dairy-producing goat > > > farms that don't feed grains in this area however. > > > > > > Suze > > > > The person I used to buy my goat milk from said they used grains to > > entice the goats to milk, although not very much. Like Suze mentioned, > > it is rare to find milk from animals fed **only** grass, not even > > sheep dairy. > > > > > > -- > > In the religious perspective, none of us " owns " his own body. Rather, > > we are the stewards of them, and God is the ultimate " owner " of each > > of us. But this concerns only the relation between man and Deity. As > > far as the relationship between man and man, however, the secular > > statement that we own our own bodies has an entirely different > > meaning. It refers to the claim that we each have free will; that no > > one person may take it upon himself to enslave another, even for the > > latter's " own good. " - Walter Block > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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