Re: Re: Weight loss was: Racoon, anyone?

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> Does that mean I could sue you if I fainted during a fast?

Well if you haven't fainted thus far, I doubt it is going to happen now <wg>

>> Do you do any weight bearing exercise?

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> Not routinely. It's too boring.

Its funny how we are all different. I find what passes as running

today very boring, in fact I find all steady state cardio boring with

a capital B.

And I really don't like body weight exercises unless there is some

implement I can use with them. They are not boring, in fact some of

them are downright brutal, I just don't like them per se. However

while I don't like push ups, give me a push up board and I'm good to

go. Jumping rope sucks, but a weighted jump rope is heavenly (and

brutal). Doing a plyometric exercise like bench jumping isn't my cup

of tea, but put on a pair of plyometric training shoes and I will jump

all day. I gotta say I do like burpees, but only if I can end them

with a pull-up.

>> But you could just as easily do this with sprints at the end of

>> your jog/walk.

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> I like interval running during my walk. I run at about 7 to 8 mph for

> 1 or 2 tenths of a mile then slow to a fast walk and repeat about five

> to seven times over my 2.5 mile course. It's funny how in my dreams

> at night I can run with no pain, but in real life there's always some

> pain with the running at my age.

Perhaps because of how you run?

http://zerocarbforlife.com/?p=347

>> Its funny how when people think something is not good for them then

>> it must not be good for everybody :-)

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> Yes, and likewise for the opposite.

Oh yes, definitely works both ways.

>> Hunger should really go away over time.

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> So far that hasn't happened for me, although I have to say the hunger

> is now less intense than it was the first month or two.

I think that is because the 18/6 protocol is geared towards people who

are training intensely with weights and probably consuming more food

than you when they do eat. After awhile, hunger really shouldn't be

much of an issue.

>> I'm not as familiar with the 18/6 protocol

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> I compromised between the fast 5 and 16/8 that were mentioned here a

> while back. I haven't really read up on either one. I basically cut

> down from three meals a day to two, cutting out my lightest meal, for

> a reduction of about 500 to 800 calories per day.

I mentioned them both in the post. I have done them all, but I didn't

stick with the 18/6 because it got in the way of my other fasting

commitments.

>> > I suspect that eating low-carb helps to stabilize blood sugar

>> > levels, thus minimizing the intensity of hunger and helping to

>> > keep up strength during the fasting periods.

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>> I suspect you will find lots of people who would disagree with that

>> statement, and have experienced fasting differently. Fasting alone

>> will help stabilize blood sugars, and one of the things the author

>> of EAT STOP EAT, the one to two day a week intermittent fasting

>> protocol, tries to impress upon his readers is that you no longer

>> have to be committed to any particular macro-nutrient profile if

>> you are regularly fasting, at least regarding weight loss (although

>> most of his readers, like you, seem to add IF to whatever it is

>> they are already doing).

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> I wouldn't think any amount of fasting would lessen the blood sugar

> spike from drinking a 16 oz sugary soda on an empty stomach, but I

> haven't seen an studies on it.

People drinking 16 ounce sugary sodas on an empty stomach probably

aren't much interested in fasting as a lifestyle.

> I also wouldn't expect people on a SAD

> diet high in sugar to do well with fasting.

Au contraire. Junk food eaters would do much better on their SAD diets

if they practiced IF fasting.

> And of course there are

> also those who I previously mentioned who eat real food but either get

> cranky or get weak and pass out if they don't eat regularly.

Right, because they have blood sugar issues that fasting could help

stabilize :-)

>> I also think that the body does yeoman work to maintain homeostasis,

>> even during fasting, and blood sugar doesn't really drop once you go

>> through the transition.

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> It makes sense that blood sugar should be stable well into a fast

> regardless of diet macronutrient ratios, but I suspect many people

> will have problems early in the fast, around the time of the first

> skipped meal. Some may get hypoglycemic and that could explain the

> weakness and crankiness that some people report. My guess would be

> that diets that are fairly high in sugar might be more prone to

> hypoglycemic problems early in a fast.

Only in the transition phase, which varies from person to person but

doesn't normally last that long. In a long fast you get it out of the

way the first few days. In IF fasting it make take several weeks if

you are following the 2 day a week protocol. When Heidi (no longer on

the list but is well represented in the archives), who had all kind of

blood sugar issues, and probably was the least likely candidate to

undertake intermittent fasting, adopted the Warrior Diet, she said she

made the switch in just a few days, but it was terrible at first.

>> By the way, 's Body Transformation using IF is pretty

>> amazing. He lost 60 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle:

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> http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/09/periodic-photo-progress-update.html

>

> Yes, I've seen his web site before. He's doing well on losing weight.

> I also just read what Dr Eades has to say about losing weight as you

> get older:

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http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-diets/why-is-low-carb-harder-the-sec\

ond-time-around/

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> All the studies aren't in yet on this issue for sure. But, those that

> are (both animal and human studies) indicate that we become

> progressively more insulin and leptin resistant as we age. This is

> especially true for people who have become overweight or obese and

> have maintained that state. Sadly, it is also true for those who

> became overweight or obese and lost the excess weight, which is most

> of us. The more insulin and leptin resistance we are, the more

> difficult it is to lose weight. So, the increase in this phenomenon

> just from the years passing between the first go round and the second

> on a low-carb diet makes it a little more difficult the next time.

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> So, if you're young and at a good weight, keep it there

Ah yes, but um...ahem...cough, cough...fasting helps restore your

insulin sensitivity :-)

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Tb,

> Wait...what? You have a push-up board? Where'd you get it? build it

> yourself? pushupboard.com?

Nope, there is a homemade thing at the gym, but thanks for the link. I

realized during my snowed in days I need to get a couple of items for

my home and that is one of them. I must say though I had a ball doing

body weight squats tabata style and then running in fresh powdered

snow at midnight for three nights. Felt great and I slept like a baby.

> I suspect you throw out these teasers from time to time to lure me

> from retirement.

Ah no, I didn't even know you paid much attention to this list, but

its always nice to hear from you. So if I write about throwing down

with a hammer every so often, I wonder what your reaction would be

then? ;-)

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" We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot. "

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)