Re: God-Control -- Buchman & Hitler

[Guest guest]

butterbean-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11326

> Wow -

> It must have been an eternity since I read Bufe's book, because I

don't

> remember those quotes, but they certainly are frightening.

> Quite a good reminder of what the original 12-step folk were all

about - a

> " God-controlled Fascist dictatorship " ...eeekkk!!! Scary stuff!!!

>

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The thing to keep in mind is not that Buchman and his groupies

were actual Nazis, but that they admired totalitarian governments

because they so strongly believed that no one should have any

individuality or " self-will " , due to their odd belief in the concept of

" God-control " . This is what still unites AA and Moral Re-Armament --

the notion that " spiritually enlightened " people have a direct hotline

to the Almighty, and continually submerge their own (inferior) thoughts

and desires in favor of " doing God's will " . In this frightening

worldview, those that are deemed " enlightened " (by WHOM??) have the

absolute right and indeed obligation to advise and rule over the

" un-enlightened " (their sponsees?).

This is an earlier Buchman quote:

" The secret is God-control. The only sane people in an insane

world are those controlled by God... The true patriot gives his life

to bring his nation under God's control... "

Despite many AA'ers and NA'ers' insistence that the " insanity "

referred to in the second step is the purported " insanity " of continual

destructive drug/alcohol use, the historical background shows that the

word " insane " was used quite often and freely by the Buchmanites

(Oxford Groupers) as meaning anyone who was not yet " enlightened " and

under " God-control " . In fact, anyone who questioned any OG doctrine

(quesioning the Word of God??), or indeed anyone who seemed too

intellectually inclined at all, was labeled " insane " by the Oxford

Groupers. This is also the enduring OG legacy in AA -- the overt and

covert anti-intellectualism, and discouragement of questioning or

analyzing any 12-step credos. ( " Utilize, Don't Analyze! " )

( " Your Best Thinking Got You Here! " )

~Rita

[Guest guest]

sounds like the Clinton Administration also

--- Railroad Rita wrote:

>

> butterbean-@... wrote:

> original

>

article:/group/12-step-free/?start=11326

> > Wow -

> > It must have been an eternity since I read Bufe's

> book, because I

> don't

> > remember those quotes, but they certainly are

> frightening.

> > Quite a good reminder of what the original 12-step

> folk were all

> about - a

> > " God-controlled Fascist dictatorship " ...eeekkk!!!

> Scary stuff!!!

> >

> -------------------------

>

> The thing to keep in mind is not that Buchman

> and his groupies

> were actual Nazis, but that they admired

> totalitarian governments

> because they so strongly believed that no one should

> have any

> individuality or " self-will " , due to their odd

> belief in the concept of

> " God-control " . This is what still unites AA and

> Moral Re-Armament --

> the notion that " spiritually enlightened " people

> have a direct hotline

> to the Almighty, and continually submerge their own

> (inferior) thoughts

> and desires in favor of " doing God's will " . In this

> frightening

> worldview, those that are deemed " enlightened " (by

> WHOM??) have the

> absolute right and indeed obligation to advise and

> rule over the

> " un-enlightened " (their sponsees?).

>

> This is an earlier Buchman quote:

>

> " The secret is God-control. The only sane

> people in an insane

> world are those controlled by God... The true

> patriot gives his life

> to bring his nation under God's control... "

>

> Despite many AA'ers and NA'ers' insistence that

> the " insanity "

> referred to in the second step is the purported

> " insanity " of continual

> destructive drug/alcohol use, the historical

> background shows that the

> word " insane " was used quite often and freely by the

> Buchmanites

> (Oxford Groupers) as meaning anyone who was not yet

> " enlightened " and

> under " God-control " . In fact, anyone who questioned

> any OG doctrine

> (quesioning the Word of God??), or indeed anyone who

> seemed too

> intellectually inclined at all, was labeled " insane "

> by the Oxford

> Groupers. This is also the enduring OG legacy in AA

> -- the overt and

> covert anti-intellectualism, and discouragement of

> questioning or

> analyzing any 12-step credos. ( " Utilize, Don't

> Analyze! " )

> ( " Your Best Thinking Got You Here! " )

>

> ~Rita

>

>

>

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