Re: infection that won't heal

[Guest guest]

Check out the sulfur stories group - there are many people there who have

problems with DMSO.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Gayle hardine <ghardine02@...> wrote:

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> I was hoping to see if anyone could shed some light on this situation, and

> to warn people that DMSO may not be so safe.

>

> Gayle

[Guest guest]

I know two people who have recovered from MRSA. One swears by the use of

turmeric; the other credits MMS with her recovery.

I hope you have relief soon.

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> Does anyone have information on or experience with treating MRSA, or stubborn

infections?  I'm afraid that's what I may have, but maybe it's something else.

It started out as one pus filled blister, maybe 1/4 inch in diameter that left a

round hole on one of my breasts which didn't heal and got bigger. I have tried

the remedies I usually but they haven't worked: myrrh, goldenseal, echinacea,

tea tree oil, oil of oregano, gentian violet, even neosporin and cephalexin

didn't work.  I make a point of not taking antibiotics, but I didn't seem to

have a choice.

>

> I went to a doctor last week who did a culture, but it had to be redone. I

finally got the results back which are negative. However, the doctor agrees that

although some sores appear to be healing very slowly, I do have infections on 2

spots so I have been referred to an infectious disease specialist. The

antibiotics (Rifampin & Sulfameth/Trimethoprim) I am presently taking seemed to

work for 1 day then there was no improvement for a few days.

>

> Putting colloidal silver on it does not help, but ionic silver does. I am also

taking a tablespoon of coconut oil every day and eating coconut cream or

drinking coconut milk. I leave the ionic silver on for four hours and off for 4

hours. The sores appear to get worse if I don't apply the ionic silver. I have

also tried copper and I it seems to help the colloidal silver work even better.

It did get rid of one spot on my chest just using it alone. I'm very frustrated

after dealing for weeks with what I thought was going to be a simple skin

infection. 

>

> I have mixed feelings about the first doctor I went to.  He's a nutritional

doctor so I did get some good food supplements, but maybe not just what I need.

I had the initial spot when I saw him. He gave me some DSMO in addition to the

other things: vitamin A, zinc, selenium, olive leaf extract, and digestive

enzymes. Of course I'm taking my cod-liver oil. I have read posts on Native

Nutrition, and I know some people think DMSO is great, but now I think it can be

very dangerous. After beginning to use it, I started getting marks all over my

chest and began getting sores whereever I had used adhesive tape to cover the

gause I was using. I went from one sore to ten along with a strip of raw oozing

skin about a foot long and 3 inches wide in a few days. (After a few weeks,

this strip slowly shrank down to 2 open sores about 1.5 inches in diameter and a

smaller sore which I think is almost healed.) I also have possibly 4 other

sores, but I am not sure

> that they are the same thing, they may be minor scratches or irritations.

>

> I have not had a problem with adhesive tape before, but I have tried all kinds

of things and can no longer tolerate latex tape, non-latex tape, and anything

stuck to my skin turns into oozing sores. This has made it hard to find a way

to cover the sores to try to prevent them from spreading, but at this point I do

not appear to be getting any new sores. (I say that with hope and reservations

too.) I think the DMSO spread the infection all over my chest. If it improves

uptake through the skin, it can improve the uptake of anything right? I am

hoping that all this will be a moot issue if I get some help from the infectious

disease doctor, but I was hoping to see if anyone could shed some light on this

situation, and to warn people that DMSO may not be so safe.

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

Doing some research on something else, I found that some skin sores are a result

of what is going on in the gut. How is your's? Are you having any unusual

sympoms there, like change in BM's, pressure/pain, etc? Not to scare you, but

have you looked at Morgellon's? There is a group you can ask questions on

- it's called Finding1Cure. They tend to become expert at all kinds of

non-healing skin lesions/sores/infections, having dealt with them for so long

and tried so many things.

I didn't see you mention using honey, iodine, or coconut oil, those might help

(topically). I second the sulfur idea - MMS, MSM or some other form.

DMSO is a solvent, you should never allow it to contact tape and your skin.

I've heard wool and cotton are ok, but I don't trust the chemicals they put on

those - moth repellant, perma-press, soap residue, etc. I'm not sure why you'd

take it for a skin infection, tho, other than to make the medicine penetrate

better if you mixed them.

I developed a tape sensitivity and had the same thing - the skin sloughed off

from the entire length where the tape was applied. It was creepy looking. I

was not using DMSO at the time.

Best wishes on that, it sounds awful to deal with.

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> Does anyone have information on or experience with treating MRSA, or stubborn

infections?  I'm afraid that's what I may have, but maybe it's something else.

It started out as one pus filled blister, maybe 1/4 inch in diameter that left a

round hole on one of my breasts which didn't heal and got bigger. I have tried

the remedies I usually but they haven't worked: myrrh, goldenseal, echinacea,

tea tree oil, oil of oregano, gentian violet, even neosporin and cephalexin

didn't work.  I make a point of not taking antibiotics, but I didn't seem to

have a choice.

>

> I went to a doctor last week who did a culture, but it had to be redone. I

finally got the results back which are negative. However, the doctor agrees that

although some sores appear to be healing very slowly, I do have infections on 2

spots so I have been referred to an infectious disease specialist. The

antibiotics (Rifampin & Sulfameth/Trimethoprim) I am presently taking seemed to

work for 1 day then there was no improvement for a few days.

>

> Putting colloidal silver on it does not help, but ionic silver does. I am also

taking a tablespoon of coconut oil every day and eating coconut cream or

drinking coconut milk. I leave the ionic silver on for four hours and off for 4

hours. The sores appear to get worse if I don't apply the ionic silver. I have

also tried copper and I it seems to help the colloidal silver work even better.

It did get rid of one spot on my chest just using it alone. I'm very frustrated

after dealing for weeks with what I thought was going to be a simple skin

infection. 

>

> I have mixed feelings about the first doctor I went to.  He's a nutritional

doctor so I did get some good food supplements, but maybe not just what I need.

I had the initial spot when I saw him. He gave me some DSMO in addition to the

other things: vitamin A, zinc, selenium, olive leaf extract, and digestive

enzymes. Of course I'm taking my cod-liver oil. I have read posts on Native

Nutrition, and I know some people think DMSO is great, but now I think it can be

very dangerous. After beginning to use it, I started getting marks all over my

chest and began getting sores whereever I had used adhesive tape to cover the

gause I was using. I went from one sore to ten along with a strip of raw oozing

skin about a foot long and 3 inches wide in a few days. (After a few weeks,

this strip slowly shrank down to 2 open sores about 1.5 inches in diameter and a

smaller sore which I think is almost healed.) I also have possibly 4 other

sores, but I am not sure

> that they are the same thing, they may be minor scratches or irritations.

>

> I have not had a problem with adhesive tape before, but I have tried all kinds

of things and can no longer tolerate latex tape, non-latex tape, and anything

stuck to my skin turns into oozing sores. This has made it hard to find a way

to cover the sores to try to prevent them from spreading, but at this point I do

not appear to be getting any new sores. (I say that with hope and reservations

too.) I think the DMSO spread the infection all over my chest. If it improves

uptake through the skin, it can improve the uptake of anything right? I am

hoping that all this will be a moot issue if I get some help from the infectious

disease doctor, but I was hoping to see if anyone could shed some light on this

situation, and to warn people that DMSO may not be so safe.

>

> Gayle

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried iodine? Maybe I overlooked it but I didn¹t think I saw that

in your list. Iodine is supposed to be one of the best infection fighters.

The formulation that is most recommended is Lugol¹s and I get mine online

from Jcrow. You should get the strongest you can find. Normally, that would

be 7% but I don¹t think they can sell that strength anymore. So, you may

have to settle for 5%.

I wouldn¹t put it Œinto¹ the wounds, (might be painful and unecessary). Just

cover the surrounding area with it. It will migrate into the wound and it

will protect your good skin from the infection spreading.

You could also try taking the iodine internally. Iodoral sells iodine pills

in the Lugol formulation that offer less stomach upset than the liquid

version.

Since iodine can dry your skin a little then I might alternate with coconut

oil as it has anti bacterial and anti fungal properties.

Good luck

On 4/8/09 6:47 PM, " Gayle hardine " <ghardine02@...> wrote:

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> Does anyone have information on or experience with treating MRSA, or stubborn

> infections?  I'm afraid that's what I may have, but maybe it's something else.

> It started out as one pus filled blister, maybe 1/4 inch in diameter that left

> a round hole on one of my breasts which didn't heal and got bigger. I have

> tried the remedies I usually but they haven't worked: myrrh, goldenseal,

> echinacea, tea tree oil, oil of oregano, gentian violet, even neosporin and

> cephalexin didn't work.  I make a point of not taking antibiotics, but I

> didn't seem to have a choice.

>

> I went to a doctor last week who did a culture, but it had to be redone. I

> finally got the results back which are negative. However, the doctor agrees

> that although some sores appear to be healing very slowly, I do have

> infections on 2 spots so I have been referred to an infectious disease

> specialist. The antibiotics (Rifampin & Sulfameth/Trimethoprim) I am presently

> taking seemed to work for 1 day then there was no improvement for a few days.

>

> Putting colloidal silver on it does not help, but ionic silver does. I am also

> taking a tablespoon of coconut oil every day and eating coconut cream or

> drinking coconut milk. I leave the ionic silver on for four hours and off for

> 4 hours. The sores appear to get worse if I don't apply the ionic silver. I

> have also tried copper and I it seems to help the colloidal silver work even

> better. It did get rid of one spot on my chest just using it alone. I'm very

> frustrated after dealing for weeks with what I thought was going to be a

> simple skin infection. 

>

> I have mixed feelings about the first doctor I went to.  He's a nutritional

> doctor so I did get some good food supplements, but maybe not just what I

> need. I had the initial spot when I saw him. He gave me some DSMO in

> addition to the other things: vitamin A, zinc, selenium, olive leaf extract,

> and digestive enzymes. Of course I'm taking my cod-liver oil. I have read

> posts on Native Nutrition, and I know some people think DMSO is great, but now

> I think it can be very dangerous. After beginning to use it, I started

> getting marks all over my chest and began getting sores whereever I had used

> adhesive tape to cover the gause I was using. I went from one sore to ten

> along with a strip of raw oozing skin about a foot long and 3 inches wide in a

> few days. (After a few weeks, this strip slowly shrank down to 2 open sores

> about 1.5 inches in diameter and a smaller sore which I think is almost

> healed.) I also have possibly 4 other sores, but I am not sure

> that they are the same thing, they may be minor scratches or irritations.

>

> I have not had a problem with adhesive tape before, but I have tried all kinds

> of things and can no longer tolerate latex tape, non-latex tape, and anything

> stuck to my skin turns into oozing sores. This has made it hard to find a way

> to cover the sores to try to prevent them from spreading, but at this point I

> do not appear to be getting any new sores. (I say that with hope and

> reservations too.) I think the DMSO spread the infection all over my chest. If

> it improves uptake through the skin, it can improve the uptake of anything

> right? I am hoping that all this will be a moot issue if I get some help from

> the infectious disease doctor, but I was hoping to see if anyone could shed

> some light on this situation, and to warn people that DMSO may not be so safe.

>

> Gayle

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[Guest guest]

Honey.

Try raw honey. I've heard it works miracles with hard-to-heal sores.

-PattyT

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> Does anyone have information on or experience with treating MRSA, or stubborn

infections?

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

Can you post a link to this group? I have taken MSM for years and had results

that are similar to thyroid healing. Now it is on the chopping block for being

anti thyroid because of leaching copper.

Thanks,

Joan

> Check out the sulfur stories group - there are many people there who have

> problems with DMSO.

> -Lana

>

> " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

>

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> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Gayle hardine <ghardine02@...> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

sulfurstories/

They're great over there - they discuss all sulfur based supplements. While

there's a lot of people there who have negative reactions to sulfur

containing supplements, some have had great benefits, and yet others have

varying reactions - some benefit them while others don't.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Joan Lulich <joanlulich@...> wrote:

> Hi Lana,

>

> Can you post a link to this group? I have taken MSM for years and had

> results that are similar to thyroid healing. Now it is on the chopping

> block for being anti thyroid because of leaching copper.

>

> Thanks,

> Joan

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lana,

Joan

>

> > Hi Lana,

> >

> > Can you post a link to this group? I have taken MSM for years and had

> > results that are similar to thyroid healing. Now it is on the chopping

> > block for being anti thyroid because of leaching copper.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Joan

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[Guest guest]

Andre Voisin, in " Soil, Grass, and Cancer " said that copper levels go up when

the body is infected and down as it heals - 100 years ago. If he was right, and

I doubt much has been done on the subject the last 100 years, it may be possible

that things that make blood copper go down are increasing health or fighting

infections, not a bad thing.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you very much everyone for your ideas.

Yes, I have tried some of the things mentioned.  I've also tried honey,

iodine, and icthammol.  It’s just that

there are so many that I forgot to include them in the post.  I haven't tried

MMS or MSM, but I've taken

sulfa drugs, so wouldn’t they work if needing sulfur is the problem?  I'm

not sure why the doctor gave me the DSMO.  Thinking back on our

conversation, I think it was supposed to help the medication reach the site of

the sores.  He explained nothing about it to me.  He just said to

apply it several times a day to the area.

I eat the coconut oil, but haven't really tried it on my skin.  I assumed

that would be good enough, but maybe not.  As far as the gut goes I am

still having digestive problems.  I was recently diagnosed with wheat

gluten sensitivity and am figuring out how to eat.  I am also going to try

the Calcium Bentonite Clay and tumeric.  My husband got the idea to try fresh

papaya.

I am also checking out  Finding1Cure, www.aboutclay.com/  and

sulfurstories/

One sore has turned into about 16.  Most are in the process of healing, except

one very stubborn one.  Some seem to react better to different things.  One

healed very quickly when I left  copper penny on it, but another either got

worse or just more irritated.  They are getting smaller though. It seems to me

it must be systemic, because it just seems to pop up now where at first it

spread all over where I had applied tape.

Thanks,

Gayle

[Guest guest]

One more thing, in case you aren't overwhelmed already, is a nutritionist told

me that yeast can become systemic and cause skin sores, especially in moist

areas that don't often get fresh air or light. So a little fresh air on the

sores and " light therapy " - sunlight that is, may be beneficial, if you can find

the time with all the other things you're doing!

I've cleared up a scary sore on my nose that wouldn't heal (I worried it may

have been skin cancer) by putting baking soda on it. It dried up in one day and

in three days was just a little scab. I had read some online thing about baking

soda being used for cancer treatments, that's how I got the idea.

I'm glad most of the sores are healing! Maybe something you're doing is already

working. Best wishes!

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> Yes, I have tried some of the things mentioned.  I've also tried honey,

> iodine, and icthammol.  It’s just that

> there are so many that I forgot to include them in the post.  I haven't tried

MMS or MSM, but I've taken

> sulfa drugs, so wouldn’t they work if needing sulfur is the problem?  I'm

> not sure why the doctor gave me the DSMO.  Thinking back on our

> conversation, I think it was supposed to help the medication reach the site of

> the sores.  He explained nothing about it to me.  He just said to

> apply it several times a day to the area.

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> I eat the coconut oil, but haven't really tried it on my skin.  I assumed

> that would be good enough, but maybe not.  As far as the gut goes I am

> still having digestive problems.  I was recently diagnosed with wheat

> gluten sensitivity and am figuring out how to eat.  I am also going to try

> the Calcium Bentonite Clay and tumeric.  My husband got the idea to try fresh

papaya.

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> I am also checking out  Finding1Cure, www.aboutclay.com/  and

sulfurstories/

> One sore has turned into about 16.  Most are in the process of healing,

except one very stubborn one.  Some seem to react better to different things. 

One healed very quickly when I left  copper penny on it, but another either got

worse or just more irritated.  They are getting smaller though. It seems to me

it must be systemic, because it just seems to pop up now where at first it

spread all over where I had applied tape.

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> Thanks,

> Gayle

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[Guest guest]

No, because sulfa drugs don't work like sulfur, even though they contain

it. http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sulfa.htm

But I'd be wary about using MSM (a derivative compound of DMSO) if you

indeed have had trouble with DMSO.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Gayle hardine <ghardine02@...> wrote:

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> I haven't tried MMS or MSM, but I've taken sulfa drugs, so wouldn’t they

> work if needing sulfur is the problem?

[Guest guest]

Hi Gayle,

My gut says that it is systemic and the DMSO is making it raise its ugly head.

Have you tried taking a bath in baking soda? Besides killing fungi it increases

CO2 which increases oxygen. Other ways to increase CO2 is by breathing in a bag

and drinking carbonated drinks.

I couldn't find the articles again but here is an excerpt from another website:

Biologist Dr. Ray Peat tells us that " breathing pure oxygen lowers the oxygen

content of tissues; breathing rarefied air, or air with carbon dioxide,

oxygenates and energizes the tissues; if this seems upside down, it's because

medical physiology has been taught upside down. And respiratory physiology holds

the key to the special functions of all the organs, and too many of their basic

pathological changes. " [ii]

People who live at very high altitudes live significantly longer;

they have a lower incidence of cancer (Weinberg, et al., 1987)

and heart disease (Mortimer, et al., 1977), and other

degenerative conditions, than people who live near sea level.

Dr. Peat continues saying that, " Breathing too much oxygen displaces too

much carbon dioxide, provoking an increase in lactic acid; too much lactate

displaces both oxygen and carbon dioxide. Lactate itself tends to suppress

respiration. Oxygen toxicity and hyperventilation create a systemic deficiency

of carbon dioxide. It is this carbon dioxide deficiency that makes breathing

more difficult in pure oxygen, that impairs the heart's ability to work, and

that increases the resistance of blood vessels, impairing circulation and oxygen

delivery to tissues. In conditions that permit greater carbon dioxide retention,

circulation is improved and the heart works more effectively. Carbon dioxide

inhibits the production of lactic acid, and lactic acid lowers carbon dioxide's

concentratrion in a variety of ways. "

" Otto Warburg established that lactic acid production is a fundamental

property of cancer. It is, to a great degree, the lactic acid which triggers the

defensive reactions of the organism, leading to tissue wasting from excessive

glucocorticoid hormone, " says Dr. Peat. Tumors do tend to be efficient at

exporting lactate which drops the pH in the milieu of the tumor. The breakdown

of glucose or glycogen produces lactate and hydrogen ions - for each lactate

molecule, one hydrogen ion is formed.

It is carbon dioxide deficiency that impairs circulation and oxygen

delivery to tissues. Carbon dioxide inhibits the production of lactic acid,

and lactic acid lowers carbon dioxide's concentration in a variety of ways.

Dr. Ray Peat

> Yes, I have tried some of the things mentioned.  I've also tried honey,

> iodine, and icthammol.  It’s just that

> there are so many that I forgot to include them in the post.  I haven't tried

MMS or MSM, but I've taken

> sulfa drugs, so wouldn’t they work if needing sulfur is the problem?  I'm

> not sure why the doctor gave me the DSMO.  Thinking back on our

> conversation, I think it was supposed to help the medication reach the site of

> the sores.  He explained nothing about it to me.  He just said to

> apply it several times a day to the area.

>

>

>

> I eat the coconut oil, but haven't really tried it on my skin.  I assumed

> that would be good enough, but maybe not.  As far as the gut goes I am

> still having digestive problems.  I was recently diagnosed with wheat

> gluten sensitivity and am figuring out how to eat.  I am also going to try

> the Calcium Bentonite Clay and tumeric.  My husband got the idea to try fresh

papaya.

>

>

>

> I am also checking out  Finding1Cure, www.aboutclay.com/  and

sulfurstories/

> One sore has turned into about 16.  Most are in the process of healing,

except one very stubborn one.  Some seem to react better to different things. 

One healed very quickly when I left  copper penny on it, but another either got

worse or just more irritated.  They are getting smaller though. It seems to me

it must be systemic, because it just seems to pop up now where at first it

spread all over where I had applied tape.

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> Thanks,

> Gayle

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[Guest guest]

--- Gayle hardine <ghardine02@...> wrote:

> Thank you very much everyone for your ideas.

Gayle, in addition to what has been suggested so far, you might also want to

look at strengthening your immune system. Be sure to get plenty of natural

vitamins A and D, as from high vitamin cod liver oil. A combination of sunshine

and liver could work as well. Most people don't get enough of these important

vitamins that boost the immune system.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

What do these stand for? DMSO, MSM, ...... and the otehrs that have been

posted.

> But I'd be wary about using MSM (a derivative compound of DMSO) if you

> indeed have had trouble with DMSO.

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[Guest guest]

DMSO is dimethylsulfoxide, a derivitive of wood pulp. It's a dandy solvent and

is used industrially as such but was found to also be an exciting NSAID - Non

Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug - relieves pain, reduces swelling, etc. But

the effects of DMSO have some unique abilities like prevent brain/spinal cord

damage after a traumatic injury or stroke, and by getting rid of hydroxyl free

radicals it can do some neat things like cure ganglion cysts and some bowel

problems like colitis. Because of its solvent properties it can pass through

cell walls easily, so applying it on the skin can cause effects deep in the body

tissues within minutes. It is used as a carrier because anything dissolved in

it will be carried along as well. This can be bad if you have toxins on your

skin - dry cleaning residue, soap, etc. where you applied it. It is recommend

when using it to wash the area before applying and then leave it uncovered for

about 30 min. to allow it all to penetrate. It has an affinity for water so it

is easily washed off with water. When buying you have to be sure to get some

for medical use, because the solvent grade is less pure and could contain

arsenic, which can cross the blood-brain barrier when mixed with DMSO.

MSM, methylsulfonylmethane, also known as dimethyl sulfone is a derivative of

DMSO, but it is not a solvent. It is taken in pill form, I've heard it's good

for preventing female hair loss and some other things, and nutritionally is a

sulfur donor.

Both are used for arthritis with good results in a majority of the people who

use them (tho around 30% report no improvement - go figure!) They are very

weakly antibiotic, but have caused amazing healing in certain types of injuries,

like burns and are amazing as first aid - stories abound about sprains and

broken limbs that didn't swell or cause pain when DMSO was used immediately. My

mom put some on a burn and it disappeared in 15 min.

--- In , " " <beauty4ashesisaiah61@...>

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> Hi All,

> What do these stand for? DMSO, MSM, ...... and the otehrs that have been

posted.

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> > But I'd be wary about using MSM (a derivative compound of DMSO) if you

> > indeed have had trouble with DMSO.

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>