Re: On Vitamin E supplements

[Guest guest]

Red Palm Oil from Tropical Traditions has red palm oil which has all

the E's and especially the one that is the most needed - don't remember

which that is.

On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:52 AM, lynchwt wrote:

> Does anyone have recommendation for alpha-tocopherol supplements? I am

> considering giving them to my 3-year old son. He has a condition

> called Fragile X syndrome that leads to cognitive impairment and a

> tendency to autism. A recent study found correction of symptoms in

> mice from rather high doses (100 mg/kg), which at about 35 pounds

> would mean 160 mg for my son, much higher than the RDA, but (I think)

> less than levels that are problematic for thinned blood. The article

> title says alpha-tocopherol

> (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18843266), but the actual source

> was acetate DL-alpha-tocopherol.

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> Apparently, most supplements are made from soybean oil. Is this

> problematic in terms of soy estrogens or PUFAs or is the vitamin E

> pretty much isolated out? Anyone used high does of Vitamin E or know a

> good source?

>

> Bill

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll try those.

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> Thought someone at the health food store told me this so I just googled it and

found this:

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> " The natural forms are usually labeled with the letter " d " (for example,

d-gamma-tocopherol), whereas synthetic forms are labeled " dl " ..

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> I use the wheat germ pearls from Standard Process which seem to be really pure

and good.

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> Laree

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[Guest guest]

It is correct that dl is synthetic and d is natural. The dl is a mix of

eight isomers of alpha-tocopherol, one of which is the same as the natural

one. However, natural vitamin E comes in eight isoforms, alpha, beta,

gamma, and delta for each of tocopherols and tocotrienols. So with

dl-alpha-tocopherol, only an eighth of it is what you want, and that portion

is only an eighth of what is found in nature.

Ideally, your supplement should be a mixed tocopherols and mixed

tocotrienols. I would consider a mixed tocopherol supplement to be

acceptable as a compromise. The two isoforms you MUST have are

alpha-tocopherol and gamma-tocopherol. If you supplement with

alpha-tocopherol alone, you will block transport of gamma-tocopherol from

food, which is the ONLY tocopherol that is capable of neturalizing

nitrogen-based radicals.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Do you know if these things are in Red Palm Oil?

On Apr 12, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Masterjohn wrote:

> Ideally, your supplement should be a mixed tocopherols and mixed

> tocotrienols. I would consider a mixed tocopherol supplement to be

> acceptable as a compromise. The two isoforms you MUST have are

> alpha-tocopherol and gamma-tocopherol. If you supplement with

> alpha-tocopherol alone, you will block transport of gamma-tocopherol

> from

> food, which is the ONLY tocopherol that is capable of neturalizing

> nitrogen-based radicals.

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

THANKS so much for this, Chris! I went to the Standard Process site and they

didn't explain this at all but did say that wheat germ oil is one of the richest

sources of the complete vitamin E complex. Don't know how to verify that with

such incomplete information. Can you recommend some good sites for accurate

information?

Thanks!

Laree

It is correct that dl is synthetic and d is natural. The dl is a mix of

eight isomers of alpha-tocopherol, one of which is the same as the natural

one. However, natural vitamin E comes in eight isoforms, alpha, beta,

gamma, and delta for each of tocopherols and tocotrienols. So with

dl-alpha-tocopherol, only an eighth of it is what you want, and that portion

is only an eighth of what is found in nature.

Ideally, your supplement should be a mixed tocopherols and mixed

tocotrienols. I would consider a mixed tocopherol supplement to be

acceptable as a compromise. The two isoforms you MUST have are

alpha-tocopherol and gamma-tocopherol. If you supplement with

alpha-tocopherol alone, you will block transport of gamma-tocopherol from

food, which is the ONLY tocopherol that is capable of neturalizing

nitrogen-based radicals.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that's very useful information.

--- In , Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...>

wrote:

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> It is correct that dl is synthetic and d is natural. The dl is a mix of

> eight isomers of alpha-tocopherol, one of which is the same as the natural

> one. However, natural vitamin E comes in eight isoforms, alpha, beta,

> gamma, and delta for each of tocopherols and tocotrienols. So with

> dl-alpha-tocopherol, only an eighth of it is what you want, and that portion

> is only an eighth of what is found in nature.

>

> Ideally, your supplement should be a mixed tocopherols and mixed

> tocotrienols. I would consider a mixed tocopherol supplement to be

> acceptable as a compromise. The two isoforms you MUST have are

> alpha-tocopherol and gamma-tocopherol. If you supplement with

> alpha-tocopherol alone, you will block transport of gamma-tocopherol from

> food, which is the ONLY tocopherol that is capable of neturalizing

> nitrogen-based radicals.

>

> Chris

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