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Normally, I wouldn't have thought to do this to my body, but I

eventually did a " cleanse " : " liver-flush " , " gall bladder flush " , etc. I

had the same burning sensation a while after eating - right side of

center below the rib cage. I did the cleanse twice separated by a few

months. Many green globules were excreted both times. After the second

cleanse the problem disappeared and I've not had any hint of it for

about a year so far (I think present diet maintains the internal system

well so do not anticipate having to do the cleanse again). There are

plenty of references on-line to the cleansing. I did the one with Epsom

salts; oil and citrus; and cream and fruit. For me it was easy as

falling off a log.

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laughingpeace wrote:

> Hello,

>

> My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her

rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays

down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I

thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider

vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of

the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat

particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat,

way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I

read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way

down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would

think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Judy7

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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Bruce Fife says lots of coconut oil for good gallbladder health. Here is what

Lee says:

http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=214

Gallstones

Twenty million Americans have gallstones and this increases by one million more

annually. Each year in the U.S., more than 300,000 gallbladders are removed

due to gallbladder disease. Gallstones are comprised of precipitated

(crystallized) components of bile, mainly pure cholesterol, plus various amounts

of bile pigment (calcium bilirubinate), and calcium salts. Approximately 80% of

the U.S. stones are mixed. The rest are mainly calcium salts, although some

stones contain silicon and aluminum oxides. For references, please consult any

book on pathology or internal medicine.

The greatest hormone-related cause of gallstones is estrogen, including the

estrogen dominance of hypothyroidism, birth control pills and estrogen

replacement therapy, which is probably why six times as many women as men get

gallstones. Also, cholesterol-lowering drugs increase the risk of gallstones

by increasing cholesterol secretion in the bile. Although gallstones have been

found in the fetus and in the elderly, the incidence increases with age, and the

average patient is 40-50 years old.

The enzyme connection to gallstones is fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) - the

inability to adequately digest fat. And the worst fats are the PUFA,

polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 and -6 oils).

Because gallstones are easier to prevent than to reverse, let's talk about

prevention!

The gallbladder is a little sac that stores and concentrates bile produced by

the liver. During digestion, the gallbladder contracts and supplies bile to

the small intestine via the common bile duct. In a normal healthy person, the

liver converts cholesterol to bile acids (about 1/2 gram daily) to replace the

loss of bile acids in the feces. Bile is an aqueous solution containing mainly

bile salts plus smaller amounts of bilirubin, cholesterol, fatty acids, lecithin

and alkaline minerals (sodium, potassium and calcium). Ultimately, all

cholesterol that is excreted must enter the liver and be excreted in the bile as

bile salts or as cholesterol.

Bile salts have two very important functions. They have a " detergent function "

- they emulsify fats. They also facilitate absorption of fatty acids,

monoglycerides, cholesterol and other lipids from the intestinal tract. Without

bile salts, up to 40% of the fats are lost in the stool. This causes a

deficiency of nutrient fats and the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, F, K).

Gallstones are formed when cholesterol precipitates due to a decrease in bile

salts, an increase in the bile salts, an increase in the amount of cholesterol

in the bile (increased bile saturation index), a decrease in water or increased

acidity. All of these factors must be just right to keep the highly insoluble

cholesterol in solution. Because bile is formed from cholesterol in the liver,

a healthy liver is essential to gallbladder health. Any substance that inhibits

bile formation from cholesterol or decreases its solubility in the bile is a

risk factor. The higher the bile saturation index, the greater the percentage of

cholesterol in the bile and the greater the risk of gallstones.

Although gallstones are the fifth most prevalent cause of hospitalization in

America, not everyone with gallbladder problems is acute. Silent gallstones are

very common. It may take as long as eight years to produce a " noisy " one. Some

of the many lesser chronic symptoms include: belching after meals, pain between

the shoulder blades, a sour taste in the mouth or indigestion, a feeling of

bloating, abdominal discomfort, intolerance of fatty/greasy or spicy foods,

clay-colored stools (indicating a lack of adequate bile), bilious headaches,

vertigo, and skin problems (due to inadequate fat absorption).

Noisy gallstones produce acute symptoms which includes severe pain under the

right rib cage that radiates around to the right shoulder and under the shoulder

blade, with possible nausea and vomiting, especially after a high fat, spicy or

heavy meal. When this progresses, the liver, unable to process bilirubin

adequately, dumps it into the urine and into the blood causing jaundice.

Although it may save your life, gallbladder removal does not correct the cause -

fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) and the liver's inability to convert

cholesterol to bile.

--- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her

rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays

down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I

thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider

vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of

the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat

particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat,

way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I

read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way

down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would

think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Judy7

>

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Thank you, this is very informative!

Judy

>

>

> Bruce Fife says lots of coconut oil for good gallbladder health. Here is what

Lee says:

>

> http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=214

>

> Gallstones

> Twenty million Americans have gallstones and this increases by one million

more annually. Each year in the U.S., more than 300,000 gallbladders are

removed due to gallbladder disease. Gallstones are comprised of precipitated

(crystallized) components of bile, mainly pure cholesterol, plus various amounts

of bile pigment (calcium bilirubinate), and calcium salts. Approximately 80% of

the U.S. stones are mixed. The rest are mainly calcium salts, although some

stones contain silicon and aluminum oxides. For references, please consult any

book on pathology or internal medicine.

>

> The greatest hormone-related cause of gallstones is estrogen, including the

estrogen dominance of hypothyroidism, birth control pills and estrogen

replacement therapy, which is probably why six times as many women as men get

gallstones. Also, cholesterol-lowering drugs increase the risk of gallstones

by increasing cholesterol secretion in the bile. Although gallstones have been

found in the fetus and in the elderly, the incidence increases with age, and the

average patient is 40-50 years old.

>

> The enzyme connection to gallstones is fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) -

the inability to adequately digest fat. And the worst fats are the PUFA,

polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 and -6 oils).

>

> Because gallstones are easier to prevent than to reverse, let's talk about

prevention!

>

> The gallbladder is a little sac that stores and concentrates bile produced by

the liver. During digestion, the gallbladder contracts and supplies bile to

the small intestine via the common bile duct. In a normal healthy person, the

liver converts cholesterol to bile acids (about 1/2 gram daily) to replace the

loss of bile acids in the feces. Bile is an aqueous solution containing mainly

bile salts plus smaller amounts of bilirubin, cholesterol, fatty acids, lecithin

and alkaline minerals (sodium, potassium and calcium). Ultimately, all

cholesterol that is excreted must enter the liver and be excreted in the bile as

bile salts or as cholesterol.

>

> Bile salts have two very important functions. They have a " detergent

function " - they emulsify fats. They also facilitate absorption of fatty acids,

monoglycerides, cholesterol and other lipids from the intestinal tract. Without

bile salts, up to 40% of the fats are lost in the stool. This causes a

deficiency of nutrient fats and the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, F, K).

>

> Gallstones are formed when cholesterol precipitates due to a decrease in bile

salts, an increase in the bile salts, an increase in the amount of cholesterol

in the bile (increased bile saturation index), a decrease in water or increased

acidity. All of these factors must be just right to keep the highly insoluble

cholesterol in solution. Because bile is formed from cholesterol in the liver,

a healthy liver is essential to gallbladder health. Any substance that inhibits

bile formation from cholesterol or decreases its solubility in the bile is a

risk factor. The higher the bile saturation index, the greater the percentage of

cholesterol in the bile and the greater the risk of gallstones.

>

> Although gallstones are the fifth most prevalent cause of hospitalization in

America, not everyone with gallbladder problems is acute. Silent gallstones are

very common. It may take as long as eight years to produce a " noisy " one. Some

of the many lesser chronic symptoms include: belching after meals, pain between

the shoulder blades, a sour taste in the mouth or indigestion, a feeling of

bloating, abdominal discomfort, intolerance of fatty/greasy or spicy foods,

clay-colored stools (indicating a lack of adequate bile), bilious headaches,

vertigo, and skin problems (due to inadequate fat absorption).

>

> Noisy gallstones produce acute symptoms which includes severe pain under the

right rib cage that radiates around to the right shoulder and under the shoulder

blade, with possible nausea and vomiting, especially after a high fat, spicy or

heavy meal. When this progresses, the liver, unable to process bilirubin

adequately, dumps it into the urine and into the blood causing jaundice.

Although it may save your life, gallbladder removal does not correct the cause -

fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) and the liver's inability to convert

cholesterol to bile.

>

> --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her

rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays

down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I

thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider

vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of

the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat

particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat,

way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I

read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way

down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would

think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Judy

> >

>

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Judy,

If it is her gallbladder, then it is likely to be related to estrogen dominance.

Especiallly since this runs in her fam. Dr. Janet Lang

(www.restorativeendocrinology.com) talks about how sluggish bile is related to

estrogen dominance (in men and women).

--- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her

rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays

down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I

thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider

vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of

the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat

particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat,

way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I

read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way

down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would

think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Judy7

>

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Thats very interesting to learn! I'll look into more

info from Janet Lang.

Thank you,

Judy

>

> Judy,

> If it is her gallbladder, then it is likely to be related to estrogen

dominance. Especiallly since this runs in her fam. Dr. Janet Lang

(www.restorativeendocrinology.com) talks about how sluggish bile is related to

estrogen dominance (in men and women).

>

>

>

> --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her

rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays

down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I

thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider

vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of

the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat

particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat,

way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I

read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way

down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would

think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Judy7

> >

>

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Hi Judy,

I experienced something similar a few months after I delivered my daughter.

I would describe the pain as a super intense burning, almost like the worst

hunger pains imaginable, that would occur after eating. The pain felt worse

than childbirth - and I was in labor for 28 hours drug free, so that's

saying a lot! It was also worse when I leaned back. The only thing that

helped was not eating, which wasn't really an option as I was breastfeeding

a newborn and needed to keep up my milk supply. I had several tests run and

they couldn't figure out what was wrong and other than prescribing me an

antacid (which did nothing) said there was nothing else they could do. I

was uninsured, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem! I was on

probiotics (yogurt) but it didn't seem to help any. I'd never heard of

Kombucha before and my husband picked up a bottle for me at a health food

store because he said it looked " healthy " . (Very scientific, haha.) I felt

a difference immediately after drinking half the bottle, and within a 2

weeks of drinking 1-2 bottles a day (about 1/2 bottle, 8oz or so, after

every meal) the problem was gone. It was a little on the pricey side, about

$3.50/bottle, but so so worth it! It couldn't hurt for your friend to try.

It made all the difference for me. :)

Hugs,

Noel

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

> burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below

> her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she

> lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or

> so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple

> cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because

> most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't

> eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to

> watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice

> fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is

> going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does

> this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either

> problem. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Judy7

>

>

>

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Your pain sounds quite a bit more intense then my friend's!  I'm so glad that

the Kombucka helped you,  it sounds like a wonderful idea and I will let her

know.  Thank you so much!

 

Judy

 

Hi Judy,

I experienced something similar a few months after I delivered my daughter.

I would describe the pain as a super intense burning, almost like the worst

hunger pains imaginable, that would occur after eating.  The pain felt worse

than childbirth - and I was in labor for 28 hours drug free, so that's

saying a lot!  It was also worse when I leaned back.  The only thing that

helped was not eating, which wasn't really an option as I was breastfeeding

a newborn and needed to keep up my milk supply.  I had several tests run and

they couldn't figure out what was wrong and other than prescribing me an

antacid (which did nothing) said there was nothing else they could do.  I

was uninsured, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem!  I was on

probiotics (yogurt) but it didn't seem to help any.  I'd never heard of

Kombucha before and my husband picked up a bottle for me at a health food

store because he said it looked " healthy " .  (Very scientific, haha.)  I felt

a difference immediately after drinking half the bottle, and within a 2

weeks of drinking 1-2 bottles a day (about 1/2 bottle, 8oz or so, after

every meal) the problem was gone.  It was a little on the pricey side, about

$3.50/bottle, but so so worth it! It couldn't hurt for your friend to try.

It made all the difference for me.  :)

Hugs,

Noel

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a

> burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below

> her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she

> lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or

> so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple

> cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because

> most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't

> eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to

> watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice

> fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is

> going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does

> this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either

> problem. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Judy7

>

>

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