Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Normally, I wouldn't have thought to do this to my body, but I eventually did a " cleanse " : " liver-flush " , " gall bladder flush " , etc. I had the same burning sensation a while after eating - right side of center below the rib cage. I did the cleanse twice separated by a few months. Many green globules were excreted both times. After the second cleanse the problem disappeared and I've not had any hint of it for about a year so far (I think present diet maintains the internal system well so do not anticipate having to do the cleanse again). There are plenty of references on-line to the cleansing. I did the one with Epsom salts; oil and citrus; and cream and fruit. For me it was easy as falling off a log. -=mark=- laughingpeace wrote: > Hello, > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Judy7 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Bruce Fife says lots of coconut oil for good gallbladder health. Here is what Lee says: http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=214 Gallstones Twenty million Americans have gallstones and this increases by one million more annually. Each year in the U.S., more than 300,000 gallbladders are removed due to gallbladder disease. Gallstones are comprised of precipitated (crystallized) components of bile, mainly pure cholesterol, plus various amounts of bile pigment (calcium bilirubinate), and calcium salts. Approximately 80% of the U.S. stones are mixed. The rest are mainly calcium salts, although some stones contain silicon and aluminum oxides. For references, please consult any book on pathology or internal medicine. The greatest hormone-related cause of gallstones is estrogen, including the estrogen dominance of hypothyroidism, birth control pills and estrogen replacement therapy, which is probably why six times as many women as men get gallstones. Also, cholesterol-lowering drugs increase the risk of gallstones by increasing cholesterol secretion in the bile. Although gallstones have been found in the fetus and in the elderly, the incidence increases with age, and the average patient is 40-50 years old. The enzyme connection to gallstones is fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) - the inability to adequately digest fat. And the worst fats are the PUFA, polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 and -6 oils). Because gallstones are easier to prevent than to reverse, let's talk about prevention! The gallbladder is a little sac that stores and concentrates bile produced by the liver. During digestion, the gallbladder contracts and supplies bile to the small intestine via the common bile duct. In a normal healthy person, the liver converts cholesterol to bile acids (about 1/2 gram daily) to replace the loss of bile acids in the feces. Bile is an aqueous solution containing mainly bile salts plus smaller amounts of bilirubin, cholesterol, fatty acids, lecithin and alkaline minerals (sodium, potassium and calcium). Ultimately, all cholesterol that is excreted must enter the liver and be excreted in the bile as bile salts or as cholesterol. Bile salts have two very important functions. They have a " detergent function " - they emulsify fats. They also facilitate absorption of fatty acids, monoglycerides, cholesterol and other lipids from the intestinal tract. Without bile salts, up to 40% of the fats are lost in the stool. This causes a deficiency of nutrient fats and the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, F, K). Gallstones are formed when cholesterol precipitates due to a decrease in bile salts, an increase in the bile salts, an increase in the amount of cholesterol in the bile (increased bile saturation index), a decrease in water or increased acidity. All of these factors must be just right to keep the highly insoluble cholesterol in solution. Because bile is formed from cholesterol in the liver, a healthy liver is essential to gallbladder health. Any substance that inhibits bile formation from cholesterol or decreases its solubility in the bile is a risk factor. The higher the bile saturation index, the greater the percentage of cholesterol in the bile and the greater the risk of gallstones. Although gallstones are the fifth most prevalent cause of hospitalization in America, not everyone with gallbladder problems is acute. Silent gallstones are very common. It may take as long as eight years to produce a " noisy " one. Some of the many lesser chronic symptoms include: belching after meals, pain between the shoulder blades, a sour taste in the mouth or indigestion, a feeling of bloating, abdominal discomfort, intolerance of fatty/greasy or spicy foods, clay-colored stools (indicating a lack of adequate bile), bilious headaches, vertigo, and skin problems (due to inadequate fat absorption). Noisy gallstones produce acute symptoms which includes severe pain under the right rib cage that radiates around to the right shoulder and under the shoulder blade, with possible nausea and vomiting, especially after a high fat, spicy or heavy meal. When this progresses, the liver, unable to process bilirubin adequately, dumps it into the urine and into the blood causing jaundice. Although it may save your life, gallbladder removal does not correct the cause - fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) and the liver's inability to convert cholesterol to bile. --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Judy7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Thank you, this is very informative! Judy > > > Bruce Fife says lots of coconut oil for good gallbladder health. Here is what Lee says: > > http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=214 > > Gallstones > Twenty million Americans have gallstones and this increases by one million more annually. Each year in the U.S., more than 300,000 gallbladders are removed due to gallbladder disease. Gallstones are comprised of precipitated (crystallized) components of bile, mainly pure cholesterol, plus various amounts of bile pigment (calcium bilirubinate), and calcium salts. Approximately 80% of the U.S. stones are mixed. The rest are mainly calcium salts, although some stones contain silicon and aluminum oxides. For references, please consult any book on pathology or internal medicine. > > The greatest hormone-related cause of gallstones is estrogen, including the estrogen dominance of hypothyroidism, birth control pills and estrogen replacement therapy, which is probably why six times as many women as men get gallstones. Also, cholesterol-lowering drugs increase the risk of gallstones by increasing cholesterol secretion in the bile. Although gallstones have been found in the fetus and in the elderly, the incidence increases with age, and the average patient is 40-50 years old. > > The enzyme connection to gallstones is fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) - the inability to adequately digest fat. And the worst fats are the PUFA, polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 and -6 oils). > > Because gallstones are easier to prevent than to reverse, let's talk about prevention! > > The gallbladder is a little sac that stores and concentrates bile produced by the liver. During digestion, the gallbladder contracts and supplies bile to the small intestine via the common bile duct. In a normal healthy person, the liver converts cholesterol to bile acids (about 1/2 gram daily) to replace the loss of bile acids in the feces. Bile is an aqueous solution containing mainly bile salts plus smaller amounts of bilirubin, cholesterol, fatty acids, lecithin and alkaline minerals (sodium, potassium and calcium). Ultimately, all cholesterol that is excreted must enter the liver and be excreted in the bile as bile salts or as cholesterol. > > Bile salts have two very important functions. They have a " detergent function " - they emulsify fats. They also facilitate absorption of fatty acids, monoglycerides, cholesterol and other lipids from the intestinal tract. Without bile salts, up to 40% of the fats are lost in the stool. This causes a deficiency of nutrient fats and the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, F, K). > > Gallstones are formed when cholesterol precipitates due to a decrease in bile salts, an increase in the bile salts, an increase in the amount of cholesterol in the bile (increased bile saturation index), a decrease in water or increased acidity. All of these factors must be just right to keep the highly insoluble cholesterol in solution. Because bile is formed from cholesterol in the liver, a healthy liver is essential to gallbladder health. Any substance that inhibits bile formation from cholesterol or decreases its solubility in the bile is a risk factor. The higher the bile saturation index, the greater the percentage of cholesterol in the bile and the greater the risk of gallstones. > > Although gallstones are the fifth most prevalent cause of hospitalization in America, not everyone with gallbladder problems is acute. Silent gallstones are very common. It may take as long as eight years to produce a " noisy " one. Some of the many lesser chronic symptoms include: belching after meals, pain between the shoulder blades, a sour taste in the mouth or indigestion, a feeling of bloating, abdominal discomfort, intolerance of fatty/greasy or spicy foods, clay-colored stools (indicating a lack of adequate bile), bilious headaches, vertigo, and skin problems (due to inadequate fat absorption). > > Noisy gallstones produce acute symptoms which includes severe pain under the right rib cage that radiates around to the right shoulder and under the shoulder blade, with possible nausea and vomiting, especially after a high fat, spicy or heavy meal. When this progresses, the liver, unable to process bilirubin adequately, dumps it into the urine and into the blood causing jaundice. Although it may save your life, gallbladder removal does not correct the cause - fat intolerance (lipase deficiency) and the liver's inability to convert cholesterol to bile. > > --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Judy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Judy, If it is her gallbladder, then it is likely to be related to estrogen dominance. Especiallly since this runs in her fam. Dr. Janet Lang (www.restorativeendocrinology.com) talks about how sluggish bile is related to estrogen dominance (in men and women). --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Judy7 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Thats very interesting to learn! I'll look into more info from Janet Lang. Thank you, Judy > > Judy, > If it is her gallbladder, then it is likely to be related to estrogen dominance. Especiallly since this runs in her fam. Dr. Janet Lang (www.restorativeendocrinology.com) talks about how sluggish bile is related to estrogen dominance (in men and women). > > > > --- In , " laughingpeace " <laughingpeace@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either problem. Any other suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Judy7 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hi Judy, I experienced something similar a few months after I delivered my daughter. I would describe the pain as a super intense burning, almost like the worst hunger pains imaginable, that would occur after eating. The pain felt worse than childbirth - and I was in labor for 28 hours drug free, so that's saying a lot! It was also worse when I leaned back. The only thing that helped was not eating, which wasn't really an option as I was breastfeeding a newborn and needed to keep up my milk supply. I had several tests run and they couldn't figure out what was wrong and other than prescribing me an antacid (which did nothing) said there was nothing else they could do. I was uninsured, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem! I was on probiotics (yogurt) but it didn't seem to help any. I'd never heard of Kombucha before and my husband picked up a bottle for me at a health food store because he said it looked " healthy " . (Very scientific, haha.) I felt a difference immediately after drinking half the bottle, and within a 2 weeks of drinking 1-2 bottles a day (about 1/2 bottle, 8oz or so, after every meal) the problem was gone. It was a little on the pricey side, about $3.50/bottle, but so so worth it! It couldn't hurt for your friend to try. It made all the difference for me. Hugs, Noel On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>wrote: > > > Hello, > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a > burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below > her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she > lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or > so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple > cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because > most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't > eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to > watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice > fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is > going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does > this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either > problem. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Judy7 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Your pain sounds quite a bit more intense then my friend's! I'm so glad that the Kombucka helped you, it sounds like a wonderful idea and I will let her know. Thank you so much! Judy Hi Judy, I experienced something similar a few months after I delivered my daughter. I would describe the pain as a super intense burning, almost like the worst hunger pains imaginable, that would occur after eating. The pain felt worse than childbirth - and I was in labor for 28 hours drug free, so that's saying a lot! It was also worse when I leaned back. The only thing that helped was not eating, which wasn't really an option as I was breastfeeding a newborn and needed to keep up my milk supply. I had several tests run and they couldn't figure out what was wrong and other than prescribing me an antacid (which did nothing) said there was nothing else they could do. I was uninsured, so I'm sure that contributed to the problem! I was on probiotics (yogurt) but it didn't seem to help any. I'd never heard of Kombucha before and my husband picked up a bottle for me at a health food store because he said it looked " healthy " . (Very scientific, haha.) I felt a difference immediately after drinking half the bottle, and within a 2 weeks of drinking 1-2 bottles a day (about 1/2 bottle, 8oz or so, after every meal) the problem was gone. It was a little on the pricey side, about $3.50/bottle, but so so worth it! It couldn't hurt for your friend to try. It made all the difference for me. Hugs, Noel On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>wrote: > > > Hello, > > My 39yr old friend has started having an issue after eating. She feels a > burning or pushing discomfort right in the middle of her stomach, just below > her rib cage. It is worse when she leans back, but not necessarily when she > lays down. She has also been quite gassy after eating dinner for a month or > so. I thought it sounded like indigestion and suggested she drink some Apple > cider vinegar, but her sister believes it might be her gallbladder, because > most of the women in her family have had theirs removed. My friend doesn't > eat low fat particularly, (she eats butter and raw milk,)but she does try to > watch her fat, way more so then me. Right now she is doing a 3 day juice > fast from something I read about that helping the gallbladder. Then she is > going to try and cut way down on carbs when she starts eating again. Does > this sound right? I would think cutting down on carbs would help either > problem. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Judy7 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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