Re: Would you take Tamiflu

April 30, 2009

--- In , Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...>

wrote:

>

> If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu? This is a decision

> that some of us may be confronted with at a desperate time and I am hoping

> to have a decision made ahead of time.

>

April 30, 2009

I'd probably lean toward high doses of vitamin C, garlic, kimchi, hot peppers,

chicken soup, elderberry tea, etc.

I did the pharmaceutical route when my kids were babies and the doctors scared

me into it - I swear it made them worse - the sickest I was in my life was when

I got a cold and took decongestants for it - got worse and it lasted for a

month. Those drugs don't work with your body they work against it to force

symptom relief without causing health.

That said, why are Mexicans dying from it and not Americans?? I bet it has

something to do with poverty - ie breathing dirty air in overcrowded conditions

with poor sanitation already taking a toll on their health. Their gov't takes

their taxes and says " Thank you very much " - doesn't really provide the services

ours does i.e. wastewater sanitation, garbage collection, food stamps, housing,

etc. On the news they don't tell you the socioeconomic condition of those who

die. JUST IMHO>

--- In , Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...>

wrote:

>

> If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu? This is a decision

> that some of us may be confronted with at a desperate time and I am hoping

> to have a decision made ahead of time.

>

April 30, 2009

I'm not sure I know what to think of this virus, at this point. What I'm seeing

and hearing smacks of alarmism. After so many instances of imminent disaster in

recent times I wonder if I'm becoming conditioned to not reacting with

appropriate alarm.

That said, yesterday I stocked up on supplies for my family of Oscillococcinum,

coconut oil, garlic, and ginger root. This gives me something to throw at the

virus, if it hits, to attempt to reduce severity.

About the Tamiflu - I'm not sure, but I am sure that I would not take any

offered innoculations against the flu.

I took one in 1976 (first swine flu alarm) and, while I had no reaction to the

shot, I have read that 25 people died from the shot itself (don't know if this

is fact or hype).

My direct experience with general flu shots (friends and family reactions) is

that they can either be useless or cause multiple problems.

I also have to wonder about what type of innoculation can be so quickly thrown

together, and would it be constructed to treat the threat of the virus or the

public hysteria that would surely arise around it.

-PattyT

> >

> > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu?

May 1, 2009

On ABC news last night that is exactly what they showed in Mexico City, that it

started in the poor section, and the health care was abysmal.

My doctor (a homeopath who is a WAPF chapter leader) says no virus can survive

in the presence of really good broth!

Ann

> >

> > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu? This is a decision

> > that some of us may be confronted with at a desperate time and I am hoping

> > to have a decision made ahead of time.

> >

May 1, 2009

I was talking to my best friend last night about this. In 1976, my friend was

in the Air Force, and everyone at her base received the swine flu vaccine that

the government had developed. She said 50% of those who got the shot developed

the flu within hours. She had it, and was miserable, but no one died on her

base. She didn't know if anyone died on any of the other bases, so since

evidently the shots did give people the flu, it's possible that the shots may

have killed a few people.

The last flu shot I had, ten years ago, gave me bad chills, fever, shaking,

nausea, a bunch of very unpleasant symptoms. Then, that year's flu virus

mutated so I caught it anyway. That's the last time I ever got a flu shot, even

though as a diabetic I'm considered high risk. I rely on my WAP eating to

bolster my immune system.

Ann

> >

> > --- In , Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu?

>

May 1, 2009

I forwarded this to raw paleo as I do not want to spend extra time

posting this in two seperate forums.

I am debating whether flu shots are good or bad. I don't like shots

period. Look at the Native Indians when Europeans first came to this

land. Most of their deaths were caused by our diseases.

Sure you get sick off of the vaccine. But if you are exposed to all

these ailments you become immune to them. Evidence is strong that it

kills the elderly. But sooner or later we will all become immune and

maybe even when we become elderly this stuff won't affect us. What

are all of your thoughts?

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 1, 2009, at 12:14 PM, " annbekins " <annbekins@...> wrote:

>

> I was talking to my best friend last night about this. In 1976, my

> friend was in the Air Force, and everyone at her base received the

> swine flu vaccine that the government had developed. She said 50% of

> those who got the shot developed the flu within hours. She had it,

> and was miserable, but no one died on her base. She didn't know if

> anyone died on any of the other bases, so since evidently the shots

> did give people the flu, it's possible that the shots may have

> killed a few people.

>

> The last flu shot I had, ten years ago, gave me bad chills, fever,

> shaking, nausea, a bunch of very unpleasant symptoms. Then, that

> year's flu virus mutated so I caught it anyway. That's the last time

> I ever got a flu shot, even though as a diabetic I'm considered high

> risk. I rely on my WAP eating to bolster my immune system.

>

> Ann

>

> > > >

> > > > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu?

> >

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May 1, 2009

I remember reading about how the vaccine given to people in 1976 caused

Guillian-Bars Syndrome as well. Many vaccines can cause this although some are

more prone to do so.

Some vaccines given to small kids have an actual side effect of causing juvenile

diabetes and is listed on the vaccine insert.

The flu shots they give to adults usually have mercury in them anyway and they

all have alluminum. I dont want alluminum put in my body right into my

bloodstream esp. when it reduces ones immune system. They wont do the right

thing and take the nasties out of the vaccines so I simply dont want them. Check

out the ingredients and one would be in wonderment about how we survive

vaccines, for the most part.

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From: annbekins <annbekins@...>

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 2:14:34 PM

Subject: Re: Would you take Tamiflu

I was talking to my best friend last night about this. In 1976, my friend was in

the Air Force, and everyone at her base received the swine flu vaccine that the

government had developed. She said 50% of those who got the shot developed the

flu within hours. She had it, and was miserable, but no one died on her base.

She didn't know if anyone died on any of the other bases, so since evidently the

shots did give people the flu, it's possible that the shots may have killed a

few people.

The last flu shot I had, ten years ago, gave me bad chills, fever, shaking,

nausea, a bunch of very unpleasant symptoms. Then, that year's flu virus mutated

so I caught it anyway. That's the last time I ever got a flu shot, even though

as a diabetic I'm considered high risk. I rely on my WAP eating to bolster my

immune system.

Ann

> >

> > --- In , Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu?

>

May 1, 2009

I can understand why you would have reservations about getting or not getting

shots.

One thing you need to keep in mind is the CDC states repeatedly that about

30,000 die of the regular flu every year. This is not true. The truth is that

30,000 die from Flu and Phenumonia. It is commonly the elderly that would have

trouble dealing with a common cold that die. People with extremely weakened

immune systems just dont fair as well with vaccines given nor the illness. The

flu vaccine is generally only about 50% effective anyway if given to people of a

certain age. I forgot what that age is. I have read many things that states the

flu vaccine is less effective for some age groups. I think it was the elderly

that benefited very little according tothe study. It can be less effective if

they choose the wrong strands to vax for.

Even if you vax and avoid the flu, the alluminum in the vaccines can lead to

alzheimers and knocks down the immune system. While you might avoid the flu you

might be more apt to get sick from other illnesses.

I took my toddler ( now 11) to get his shots in winter. He was sick literally

all winter. I think the shots actually gave him whooping cough and possibly

something else. He developed a wierd rash that I think was caused by vaccines. I

would not allow any vaccines in fall, winter, or if anyone around us was

remotely sick again. He has never been nearly that sick in the winter after I

changed the timing that I would allow vaccines.

I know more now and wont allow any to go into my body nor my family.

For those wanting to learn more, go to youtube and look up Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.

She has a real medical degree and has studied what the CDC's research and she

tells the facts. Their are other places to get her info as well.

April

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From: Holt <danthemanholt@...>

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" rawpaleodiet " <rawpaleodiet >

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 2:52:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Would you take Tamiflu

I forwarded this to raw paleo as I do not want to spend extra time

posting this in two seperate forums.

I am debating whether flu shots are good or bad. I don't like shots

period. Look at the Native Indians when Europeans first came to this

land. Most of their deaths were caused by our diseases.

Sure you get sick off of the vaccine. But if you are exposed to all

these ailments you become immune to them. Evidence is strong that it

kills the elderly. But sooner or later we will all become immune and

maybe even when we become elderly this stuff won't affect us. What

are all of your thoughts?

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 1, 2009, at 12:14 PM, " annbekins " <annbekins (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> I was talking to my best friend last night about this. In 1976, my

> friend was in the Air Force, and everyone at her base received the

> swine flu vaccine that the government had developed. She said 50% of

> those who got the shot developed the flu within hours. She had it,

> and was miserable, but no one died on her base. She didn't know if

> anyone died on any of the other bases, so since evidently the shots

> did give people the flu, it's possible that the shots may have

> killed a few people.

>

> The last flu shot I had, ten years ago, gave me bad chills, fever,

> shaking, nausea, a bunch of very unpleasant symptoms. Then, that

> year's flu virus mutated so I caught it anyway. That's the last time

> I ever got a flu shot, even though as a diabetic I'm considered high

> risk. I rely on my WAP eating to bolster my immune system.

>

> Ann

>

> > > >

> > > > If you or your child got the flu would you take Tamiflu?

> >

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May 2, 2009

--- " haecklers " <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I'd probably lean toward high doses of vitamin C, garlic, kimchi,

> hot peppers, chicken soup, elderberry tea, etc.

I won't take Tamiflu because from what I've read the risks seem to be worse than

any possible slight benefit. If I got the flu, everything listed above sounds

good, and in addition, I'd keep taking high vitamin CLO. I suspect that one of

the worst things people do in treating flu is to take OTC medications that

reduce the fever. I've read that for adults, fever up to about 104F should not

be harmful and in fact is a very important part of the body's defense in

fighting the flu.

Last fall I started doubling the dose of Blue Ice CLO over what I took the

previous winter and I have now gone 12 months without having a cold or flu.

That's a new record for me. I always used to get at least 2 or 3 colds per year

before changing my diet over three years ago. After changing my diet, I still

got 1 or 2 colds the first two years, probably because I wasn't getting enough

HVCLO in the winter season. The worst cold that I got after changing my diet

came shortly after stupidly ingesting about 150 grams of sugar in the form of

ice cream about two years ago (including copious left-overs my wife and daughter

wouldn't eat). So I have to believe large doses of sugar can increase the risk

of getting sick. And yes, I know that's anecdotal, but I'm not going to try it

again to see if I get the same result

I remember reading about a recent controlled study that showed those who

supplemented with substantial vitamin D (don't remember how much) got

significantly fewer cold/flu symptoms over the winter. The evidence is mounting

that most of us need more vitamin D in the winter to avoid colds/flu. I've also

read that tests many years ago found that white blood cell immune activity was

reduced about 30% after ingestion of 100 grams of sugar and did not return to

normal for 5 or 6 hours. So there is scientific evidence to show that large

doses of sugar reduce immune function, which should in turn increase the risk of

getting sick. Furthermore, I've read that diabetics with elevated blood sugar

levels are much more prone to getting infections.

So, in my view, the top two things to do to reduce risk of getting colds/flu is

to get plenty of vitamin D (check blood levels if taking more than about 1,000

to 2,000 IU per day) and minimize dietary sugar. This is of course assuming

that you already have a good traditional diet.

May 2, 2009

What area are you in? If in California could we have the name of your

doctor?

On May 1, 2009, at 12:08 PM, annbekins wrote:

> My doctor (a homeopath who is a WAPF chapter leader) says no virus can

> survive in the presence of really good broth!

>

> Ann

May 2, 2009

I'm starting to think it can take more than a year to make up for a low vitamin

D diet - it's only this winter I didn't get dry skin, which I attribute to

nutritional changes that I started over 2 years ago.

> > I'd probably lean toward high doses of vitamin C, garlic, kimchi,

> > hot peppers, chicken soup, elderberry tea, etc.

>

> I won't take Tamiflu because from what I've read the risks seem to be worse

than any possible slight benefit. If I got the flu, everything listed above

sounds good, and in addition, I'd keep taking high vitamin CLO. I suspect that

one of the worst things people do in treating flu is to take OTC medications

that reduce the fever. I've read that for adults, fever up to about 104F should

not be harmful and in fact is a very important part of the body's defense in

fighting the flu.

>

> Last fall I started doubling the dose of Blue Ice CLO over what I took the