Anabolic growth and supplements

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan

Im doing similar things but without the supplements, to avoid any processed or

synthetic foods or products. Im going 100% wholeFOOD!

Wake up

6.30am Water

6.45 Kefir

 

7.15 Breakfast 6 Whole Eggs Cooked (organic pasture raised)

 

10 Bone Broth With

 

1 Pasture/Grass Fed Meat with Raw butter and veggies

 

4 1 x Slice Organic Sprouted Rye Bread w Chciken Liver Pate and Raw Butter

 

7 Pasture/Grass Fed Meat with Raw butter and veggies

 

10 Raw Milk Smoothie with Vanilla

 

On my training days I eat post workout:

8.30am Raw Milk smoothies with Blueberries and 3 Eggs with

2 Slices Organic Sprouted Rye Bread w Raw Butter and maybe some Raw Honey

 

9.30am  6 Whole Eggs cooked

 

Hope that helps

Steve

 

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Hi Dan,

i'm curious about the protein intake... i thot studies have shown the

body can only absorb so much protein at a time... wouldn't you be

wasting all that extra protein and just end up seeing it in your

waste? i know timing is a big part of absorption too... one thing is

absorption... another question is digestion. what about working with

basic building blocks of protein so that your body can put together

the protein and save the extra steps of breaking down the protein only

to have to build it back up for the body to use?

also... protein build up or excess can lead to other harmful health

issues too, can't it?

Kelvin

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Just to let anybody know that is interested I have been thinking about

> various strategies for anabolic growth. I have put together a whole food

> approach and a safe legal steroid approach and compared prices.

>

> I am including the concept of raw meat eating too. From what I read a high

> animal and dairy based protein intake is great for anabolic growth. It may

> be due to growth factors and carnosine in the meat/dairy. I personally would

> do it raw because all the cooked food will hurt enzyme stores and overwork

> digestion. I would say between .73 to 1 gram of protein per a pound of

> bodyweight. However, atleast with the colostrum, a much lower protein intake

> at 0.36g may be ideal.

>

> I would recommend alpha-ketoglutaric acid as it has been shown that

> supplemental form was effective for individuals regaining lean body mass

> after injury. It may also clean up ammonia and spare bcaas to get more

> effectiveness out of protein intake. Athletes also use it.

>

> Creatine monohydrate manufactured in Germany would be highly effective too.

> Every extra rep you do increases anabolic growth by 100%.

>

> Making your own whey protein from raw milk would be highly effective. Raw

> milk may be good enough too.

>

> www.firstmilking.com told me they would give me a 25% discount if I were to

> buy 4 containers of 8 oz colostrum. They would give me 33% off if I were to

> purchase 8 8oz containers. Believe or not, a monthly intake would be cheaper

> and probably more effective than legal steroids.

>

> Studies have shown great anabolic growth with 20g-60g of colostrum a day for

> athletes. First milking's was recommended by pponline. Metafoods was too.

> Metafoods is 24 hour milking and is $38 for 12 oz. It is flash pasteurized

> at 160 degrees for 15 seconds.

>

> I've talked to a company and they said the best bulking legal steroid

> combination is liquid D-Bol and liquid Anadrol for 8 weeks. The amount it

> would take to be highly effective would be $500-$600 dollar a month. An 8

> week cycle should have no side-effects.

>

> No one on these boards are probably interested in anabolic growth but I

> thought I would share it.

>

> Reply or e-mail me to share your thoughts/insights.

>

> Yours Truly,

> Dan Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think your body will discard more protein if you are having adequate fat and

carbs. However, 60% of dietary protein can be converted to fat or carbs. So

yeah, a higher protein intake is a possibility. I do notice my body doesn't

really digest more than 90 grams of protein in a day at my current 250 pounds.

I did more research on amino acid intake and I think it is hogwash. Studies

that suggest a high intake of glutamine are for burn victims where there body

has lost a lot of muscle proteins and this cannot recycle them. In this case

amino acid supplementation and probably a higher protein intake can be

beneficial.

For other however when we workout our muscle breakdown but the broken down

tissue can be recycled and reused as protein. There were studies on athletes

with a high glutamine intake compared to another group with a high carb intake

and it was found that neither group acquired better muscle building results over

the other.

Individuals that get improved muscle growth from high glutamine intake most

likely are not getting enough carbs or fat in there diet so this glutamine is

being utilized as a much needed fuel source.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 14, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

Hi Dan,

i'm curious about the protein intake... i thot studies have shown the

body can only absorb so much protein at a time... wouldn't you be

wasting all that extra protein and just end up seeing it in your

waste? i know timing is a big part of absorption too... one thing is

absorption... another question is digestion. what about working with

basic building blocks of protein so that your body can put together

the protein and save the extra steps of breaking down the protein only

to have to build it back up for the body to use?

also... protein build up or excess can lead to other harmful health

issues too, can't it?

Kelvin

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Just to let anybody know that is interested I have been thinking about

> various strategies for anabolic growth. I have put together a whole food

> approach and a safe legal steroid approach and compared prices.

>

> I am including the concept of raw meat eating too. From what I read a high

> animal and dairy based protein intake is great for anabolic growth. It may

> be due to growth factors and carnosine in the meat/dairy. I personally would

> do it raw because all the cooked food will hurt enzyme stores and overwork

> digestion. I would say between .73 to 1 gram of protein per a pound of

> bodyweight. However, atleast with the colostrum, a much lower protein intake

> at 0.36g may be ideal.

>

> I would recommend alpha-ketoglutaric acid as it has been shown that

> supplemental form was effective for individuals regaining lean body mass

> after injury. It may also clean up ammonia and spare bcaas to get more

> effectiveness out of protein intake. Athletes also use it.

>

> Creatine monohydrate manufactured in Germany would be highly effective too.

> Every extra rep you do increases anabolic growth by 100%.

>

> Making your own whey protein from raw milk would be highly effective. Raw

> milk may be good enough too.

>

> www.firstmilking.com told me they would give me a 25% discount if I were to

> buy 4 containers of 8 oz colostrum. They would give me 33% off if I were to

> purchase 8 8oz containers. Believe or not, a monthly intake would be cheaper

> and probably more effective than legal steroids.

>

> Studies have shown great anabolic growth with 20g-60g of colostrum a day for

> athletes. First milking's was recommended by pponline. Metafoods was too.

> Metafoods is 24 hour milking and is $38 for 12 oz. It is flash pasteurized

> at 160 degrees for 15 seconds.

>

> I've talked to a company and they said the best bulking legal steroid

> combination is liquid D-Bol and liquid Anadrol for 8 weeks. The amount it

> would take to be highly effective would be $500-$600 dollar a month. An 8

> week cycle should have no side-effects.

>

> No one on these boards are probably interested in anabolic growth but I

> thought I would share it.

>

> Reply or e-mail me to share your thoughts/insights.

>

> Yours Truly,

> Dan Holt

>

>

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So right now I think that 0.36g of protein per a pound of bodyweight is ideal.

Especially after finding out your body recycles muscle proteins.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 14, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

Hi Dan,

i'm curious about the protein intake... i thot studies have shown the

body can only absorb so much protein at a time... wouldn't you be

wasting all that extra protein and just end up seeing it in your

waste? i know timing is a big part of absorption too... one thing is

absorption... another question is digestion. what about working with

basic building blocks of protein so that your body can put together

the protein and save the extra steps of breaking down the protein only

to have to build it back up for the body to use?

also... protein build up or excess can lead to other harmful health

issues too, can't it?

Kelvin

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Just to let anybody know that is interested I have been thinking about

> various strategies for anabolic growth. I have put together a whole food

> approach and a safe legal steroid approach and compared prices.

>

> I am including the concept of raw meat eating too. From what I read a high

> animal and dairy based protein intake is great for anabolic growth. It may

> be due to growth factors and carnosine in the meat/dairy. I personally would

> do it raw because all the cooked food will hurt enzyme stores and overwork

> digestion. I would say between .73 to 1 gram of protein per a pound of

> bodyweight. However, atleast with the colostrum, a much lower protein intake

> at 0.36g may be ideal.

>

> I would recommend alpha-ketoglutaric acid as it has been shown that

> supplemental form was effective for individuals regaining lean body mass

> after injury. It may also clean up ammonia and spare bcaas to get more

> effectiveness out of protein intake. Athletes also use it.

>

> Creatine monohydrate manufactured in Germany would be highly effective too.

> Every extra rep you do increases anabolic growth by 100%.

>

> Making your own whey protein from raw milk would be highly effective. Raw

> milk may be good enough too.

>

> www.firstmilking.com told me they would give me a 25% discount if I were to

> buy 4 containers of 8 oz colostrum. They would give me 33% off if I were to

> purchase 8 8oz containers. Believe or not, a monthly intake would be cheaper

> and probably more effective than legal steroids.

>

> Studies have shown great anabolic growth with 20g-60g of colostrum a day for

> athletes. First milking's was recommended by pponline. Metafoods was too.

> Metafoods is 24 hour milking and is $38 for 12 oz. It is flash pasteurized

> at 160 degrees for 15 seconds.

>

> I've talked to a company and they said the best bulking legal steroid

> combination is liquid D-Bol and liquid Anadrol for 8 weeks. The amount it

> would take to be highly effective would be $500-$600 dollar a month. An 8

> week cycle should have no side-effects.

>

> No one on these boards are probably interested in anabolic growth but I

> thought I would share it.

>

> Reply or e-mail me to share your thoughts/insights.

>

> Yours Truly,

> Dan Holt

>

>

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[Guest guest]

interesting... i never realized the body can reuse protein in the

body. i guess that's the most efficient way to work... make use of

what's available. thanks for the feedback, i'll definitely look into

this idea more!

having read about nutrient timing and now learning more about content

of the nutrients for this method, I think i can get the most bang for

my buck in time and resources by providing my body the right amounts

of the right qualities of the right types of nutrition...at the right

times.

Kelvin

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

>

>

> So right now I think that 0.36g of protein per a pound of bodyweight is

> ideal. Especially after finding out your body recycles muscle proteins.

>

> Yours Truly,

> Dan Holt

>

> On May 14, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> i'm curious about the protein intake... i thot studies have shown the

> body can only absorb so much protein at a time... wouldn't you be

> wasting all that extra protein and just end up seeing it in your

> waste? i know timing is a big part of absorption too... one thing is

> absorption... another question is digestion. what about working with

> basic building blocks of protein so that your body can put together

> the protein and save the extra steps of breaking down the protein only

> to have to build it back up for the body to use?

>

> also... protein build up or excess can lead to other harmful health

> issues too, can't it?

> Kelvin

>

> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>

> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Just to let anybody know that is interested I have been thinking about

>> various strategies for anabolic growth. I have put together a whole food

>> approach and a safe legal steroid approach and compared prices.

>>

>> I am including the concept of raw meat eating too. From what I read a high

>> animal and dairy based protein intake is great for anabolic growth. It may

>> be due to growth factors and carnosine in the meat/dairy. I personally

>> would

>> do it raw because all the cooked food will hurt enzyme stores and overwork

>> digestion. I would say between .73 to 1 gram of protein per a pound of

>> bodyweight. However, atleast with the colostrum, a much lower protein

>> intake

>> at 0.36g may be ideal.

>>

>> I would recommend alpha-ketoglutaric acid as it has been shown that

>> supplemental form was effective for individuals regaining lean body mass

>> after injury. It may also clean up ammonia and spare bcaas to get more

>> effectiveness out of protein intake. Athletes also use it.

>>

>> Creatine monohydrate manufactured in Germany would be highly effective

>> too.

>> Every extra rep you do increases anabolic growth by 100%.

>>

>> Making your own whey protein from raw milk would be highly effective. Raw

>> milk may be good enough too.

>>

>> www.firstmilking.com told me they would give me a 25% discount if I were

>> to

>> buy 4 containers of 8 oz colostrum. They would give me 33% off if I were

>> to

>> purchase 8 8oz containers. Believe or not, a monthly intake would be

>> cheaper

>> and probably more effective than legal steroids.

>>

>> Studies have shown great anabolic growth with 20g-60g of colostrum a day

>> for

>> athletes. First milking's was recommended by pponline. Metafoods was too.

>> Metafoods is 24 hour milking and is $38 for 12 oz. It is flash pasteurized

>> at 160 degrees for 15 seconds.

>>

>> I've talked to a company and they said the best bulking legal steroid

>> combination is liquid D-Bol and liquid Anadrol for 8 weeks. The amount it

>> would take to be highly effective would be $500-$600 dollar a month. An 8

>> week cycle should have no side-effects.

>>

>> No one on these boards are probably interested in anabolic growth but I

>> thought I would share it.

>>

>> Reply or e-mail me to share your thoughts/insights.

>>

>> Yours Truly,

>> Dan Holt

>>

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

Colostrum can be considered a whole food source.

Here are the legal steroids on my list:

Winny, Anadrol or Hemadrol with is natural, Trenbolone, and D-Bol. Colostrum

too which can be considered a natural steroid.

I'll experiment but ultimately I'll probably just go with colostrum and whole

food.

That and other magnesium stearate free supplements such as wheat germ oil, black

currant seed oil etc.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 7, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Steve Max <stevemaxchillin@...> wrote:

Hi Dan

Im doing similar things but without the supplements, to avoid any processed or

synthetic foods or products. Im going 100% wholeFOOD!

Wake up

6.30am Water

6.45 Kefir

7.15 Breakfast 6 Whole Eggs Cooked (organic pasture raised)

10 Bone Broth With

1 Pasture/Grass Fed Meat with Raw butter and veggies

4 1 x Slice Organic Sprouted Rye Bread w Chciken Liver Pate and Raw Butter

7 Pasture/Grass Fed Meat with Raw butter and veggies

10 Raw Milk Smoothie with Vanilla

On my training days I eat post workout:

8.30am Raw Milk smoothies with Blueberries and 3 Eggs with

2 Slices Organic Sprouted Rye Bread w Raw Butter and maybe some Raw Honey

9.30am 6 Whole Eggs cooked

Hope that helps

Steve

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