Re: Corn Tortillas - Sprouting corn?

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about the Food for Life sprouted tortillas? I eat them every

day for breakfast just about (they're my only grain for the day) and the other

day, I found a whole sprouted corn kernel in one of the tortillas. I'd like to

think that they really do sprout the kernels based on the fact that mine

definitely had a sprout and had obviously been soaked, but....

From: blaidd1@...

Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:08:45 -0500

Subject: Corn Tortillas - Sprouting corn?

I have read and seen that the Aztecs made Masa flour and tortillas out

of corn they soaked in lime. I've seen it considered that the longer

the soaking the better but most commercial tortillas (even organic)

aren't soaked for very long at all (12 hours or less).

I found these sprouted corn tortillas which are very good tasting but I

contacted them to see how long they soaked the corn in lime. After

having the Customer Service agent refuse to answer my question, then

explain what I want again because she didn't understand what I meant...

I found out that according to her they do not soak the corn in lime at

all and just add it as an ingredient to the tortillas. This doesn't

sound plausible. Why add it after it's sprouted if you don't need it to

break anything down??

And if this is true would these tortillas be less nutritious even though

they are sprouted? I know that not soaking in lime makes the nutrients

not usable.

Thanks!

Dawn

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[Guest guest]

I am not familiar with this brand or with this product, so I'm only

bringing this up in a general sense.

Is it possible that there is confusion over soaking in lime vs

sprouting? Grains do not need to be soaked in lime in order to

sprout, so maybe they are just soaked without the lime and sprouted

the usual way.

Hope this helps,

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Amy

Sikes-Dorman<amysikesdorman@...> wrote:

>

> Are you talking about the Food for Life sprouted tortillas?  I eat them every

day for breakfast just about (they're my only grain for the day) and the other

day, I found a whole sprouted corn kernel in one of the tortillas.  I'd like to

think that they really do sprout the kernels based on the fact that mine

definitely had a sprout and had obviously been soaked, but....

[Guest guest]

Yes FoodForLife.com

There is lime on the label. I assumed it was because they soaked the

corn in lime which is traditional. Sprouting the corn isn't as far as I

know. Is it a better substitute to soaking? worse?

According to their customer service department they don't soak in lime

at all just add it to the tortillas.

Dawn

wrote:

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> I am not familiar with this brand or with this product, so I'm only

> bringing this up in a general sense.

>

> Is it possible that there is confusion over soaking in lime vs

> sprouting? Grains do not need to be soaked in lime in order to

> sprout, so maybe they are just soaked without the lime and sprouted

> the usual way.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is an interesting question -

Are they using lime (fruit) or lime (Calcium oxide)? Since you say

that they just add the lime to the tortillas, I'm going to guess the

ingredient is actually lime (fruit) and not lime (Calcium oxide).

Lime (Calcium oxide) is what is traditionally used to soak the corn in

the process called nixtamalization.

Soaking the corn in lime (Calcium oxide) water is more traditional

than sprouting the corn and adding lime (fruit) to it, but I don't

know if that makes spouted corn " bad " or even " worse. "

Hope this helps,

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Dawn<blaidd1@...> wrote:

>

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> Yes FoodForLife.com

>

> There is lime on the label. I assumed it was because they soaked the

> corn in lime which is traditional. Sprouting the corn isn't as far as I

> know. Is it a better substitute to soaking? worse?

>

> According to their customer service department they don't soak in lime

> at all just add it to the tortillas.

>

> Dawn

>

> wrote:

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>> I am not familiar with this brand or with this product, so I'm only

>> bringing this up in a general sense.

>>

>> Is it possible that there is confusion over soaking in lime vs

>> sprouting? Grains do not need to be soaked in lime in order to

>> sprout, so maybe they are just soaked without the lime and sprouted

>> the usual way.

>>

>> Hope this helps,

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I assumed lime (calcium oxide) as per normal for tortillas. The

CSA doesn't really seem to get it so I will ask her to clarify.

Dawn

wrote:

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>

> Here is an interesting question -

>

> Are they using lime (fruit) or lime (Calcium oxide)? Since you say

> that they just add the lime to the tortillas, I'm going to guess the

> ingredient is actually lime (fruit) and not lime (Calcium oxide).

> Lime (Calcium oxide) is what is traditionally used to soak the corn in

> the process called nixtamalization.

>

> Soaking the corn in lime (Calcium oxide) water is more traditional

> than sprouting the corn and adding lime (fruit) to it, but I don't

> know if that makes spouted corn " bad " or even " worse. "

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's lime the calcium oxide. It gives it a distinctive flavor. I've tried

making tortillas without lime (from cornmeal) and it didn't work so I assumed

there was some chemistry involved in making the starch stick better, but maybe

not.

It's not very hard to make your own corn tortillas. We use popcorn because I

can easily get it organic. If you make your own nixtamal (the corn soaked in

lime) then you can also use it to make delicious grits, or add it to soups for a

really wonderful flavor. I make up 3 cups of popcorn at a time, grind it all

then freeze it until I need it. Once you have the nixtamal, you just add water

if needed to get it to barely stick when you squeeze it in a ball then roll it

out on some plastic wrap, and fry it in a bit of lard - 1 min. each side unless

you want it crispy.

Here's a recipe (they've doubled the amounts I usually use - 3 cups corn and 1

generous tablespoon lime).

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/masa.htm

I don't think it needs to be sprouted because the lime treatment destroys the

phytates. I'd also guess you might have trouble making good dough with pure

ground sprouted corn because when it sprouts it makes enzymes that completely

change the starch. I wonder if the ones you get have flour or non-sprouted

cornmeal added.

> >

> >

> > Here is an interesting question -

> >

> > Are they using lime (fruit) or lime (Calcium oxide)? Since you say

> > that they just add the lime to the tortillas, I'm going to guess the

> > ingredient is actually lime (fruit) and not lime (Calcium oxide).

> > Lime (Calcium oxide) is what is traditionally used to soak the corn in

> > the process called nixtamalization.

> >

> > Soaking the corn in lime (Calcium oxide) water is more traditional

> > than sprouting the corn and adding lime (fruit) to it, but I don't

> > know if that makes spouted corn " bad " or even " worse. "

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

p. 454 and 486 of NT talk about soaking corn in lime water.

> >

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> > Here is an interesting question -

> >

> > Are they using lime (fruit) or lime (Calcium oxide)? Since you say

> > that they just add the lime to the tortillas, I'm going to guess the

> > ingredient is actually lime (fruit) and not lime (Calcium oxide).

> > Lime (Calcium oxide) is what is traditionally used to soak the corn in

> > the process called nixtamalization.

> >

> > Soaking the corn in lime (Calcium oxide) water is more traditional

> > than sprouting the corn and adding lime (fruit) to it, but I don't

> > know if that makes spouted corn " bad " or even " worse. "

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is nixtimal always properly soaked? I can get pre- " made " nixtimal at

the supermarket, of all places, now that I live where there's a bigger

mexican population...

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:53 AM, haecklers<haecklers@...> wrote:

> If you make your own nixtamal (the corn soaked in lime) then you can also use

it to make delicious grits, or add it to soups for a really wonderful flavor.

[Guest guest]

I don't know, but be careful because store corn meal may be GM corn. I've

looked and there doesn't seem to be an organic version of nixtamal - if it says

organic it's not supposed to be genetically modified. The organic brands I've

checked tell me I can add a pinch of lime to the cornmeal for that flavor (I was

asking them about making grits), which indicates to me they were not soaked.

That's why I do my own.

I made a batch last night. One thing I've been noticing is the first time I

have homemade grits in a while they taste really good, like my body is

responding to the nutrients in them. Second not so much and by the third I

don't really want them. I wonder if the higher calcium is throwing off my other

minerals like magnesium. I'm going to try taking more magnesium bicarbonate

water and see if that still happens. I'm assuming I get enough potassium from

my diet which is high in produce at the moment.

> > If you make your own nixtamal (the corn soaked in lime) then you can also

use it to make delicious grits, or add it to soups for a really wonderful

flavor.

>

[Guest guest]

Ya I doubt you will find properly soaked nixtamal that is non-gmo. When I

wanted to try adding nixtamalized corn to my diet I soaked and cooked a big

batch and stored most the whole cooked nixtamilized kernels in the freezer in

quart sized containers so I could thaw and use it as needed.

btw, after soaking and cooking with the lime, I rinsed the kernels (I was

following directions from Wild Fermentation) so the lime did its job by altering

the pH to release the nutrients but I don't believe much was left in the final

product.

-

>

> I don't know, but be careful because store corn meal may be GM corn. I've

looked and there doesn't seem to be an organic version of nixtamal - if it says

organic it's not supposed to be genetically modified. The organic brands I've

checked tell me I can add a pinch of lime to the cornmeal for that flavor (I was

asking them about making grits), which indicates to me they were not soaked.

That's why I do my own.

>

> I made a batch last night. One thing I've been noticing is the first time I

have homemade grits in a while they taste really good, like my body is

responding to the nutrients in them. Second not so much and by the third I

don't really want them. I wonder if the higher calcium is throwing off my other

minerals like magnesium. I'm going to try taking more magnesium bicarbonate

water and see if that still happens. I'm assuming I get enough potassium from

my diet which is high in produce at the moment.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! They did respond that it is the calcium oxide as I thought. I

do hope there is no wheat flour in it as it says wheat free! I am on a

wheat free diet, mostly gluten free but I do eat some rice

occasionally. That is interesting that they may be adding non-sprouted

and not soaked cornmeal....

I will be trying to make my own, I saw another recipe on a blog too.

And I use organic corn because of the GMO issues. I have my family

avoiding just about all non-organic foods! The only time we eat

anything that is not organic now is because we are traveling.

With my health issues I get so exhausted some days it's nice to have

things already made which is why these tortillas interested me. I will

just have to get in the habit of making a bunch and freezing in batches

so on days I am hurting or too tired I have something easy to make for

everyone.

Dawn

haecklers wrote:

>

>

> It's lime the calcium oxide. It gives it a distinctive flavor. I've

> tried making tortillas without lime (from cornmeal) and it didn't work

> so I assumed there was some chemistry involved in making the starch

> stick better, but maybe not.

>

> It's not very hard to make your own corn tortillas. We use popcorn

> because I can easily get it organic. If you make your own nixtamal

> (the corn soaked in lime) then you can also use it to make delicious

> grits, or add it to soups for a really wonderful flavor. I make up 3

> cups of popcorn at a time, grind it all then freeze it until I need

> it. Once you have the nixtamal, you just add water if needed to get it

> to barely stick when you squeeze it in a ball then roll it out on some

> plastic wrap, and fry it in a bit of lard - 1 min. each side unless

> you want it crispy.

>

> Here's a recipe (they've doubled the amounts I usually use - 3 cups

> corn and 1 generous tablespoon lime).

> http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/masa.htm

> <http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/masa.htm>

>

> I don't think it needs to be sprouted because the lime treatment

> destroys the phytates. I'd also guess you might have trouble making

> good dough with pure ground sprouted corn because when it sprouts it

> makes enzymes that completely change the starch. I wonder if the ones

> you get have flour or non-sprouted cornmeal added.

>

>

> >

> > Well, I assumed lime (calcium oxide) as per normal for tortillas. The

> > CSA doesn't really seem to get it so I will ask her to clarify.

> >

> > Dawn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's definitely wheat free- I'm gluten intolerant and I eat them fine with no

problem. Rice, thankfully, never has gluten (though I find that it doesn't

agree with me, but....) unless it's contaminated.

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From: blaidd1@...

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:26:22 -0500

Subject: Re: Corn Tortillas - Sprouting corn?

Thanks! They did respond that it is the calcium oxide as I thought. I

do hope there is no wheat flour in it as it says wheat free! I am on a

wheat free diet, mostly gluten free but I do eat some rice

occasionally. That is interesting that they may be adding non-sprouted

and not soaked cornmeal....

I will be trying to make my own, I saw another recipe on a blog too.

And I use organic corn because of the GMO issues. I have my family

avoiding just about all non-organic foods! The only time we eat

anything that is not organic now is because we are traveling.

With my health issues I get so exhausted some days it's nice to have

things already made which is why these tortillas interested me. I will

just have to get in the habit of making a bunch and freezing in batches

so on days I am hurting or too tired I have something easy to make for

everyone.

Dawn

haecklers wrote:

>

>

> It's lime the calcium oxide. It gives it a distinctive flavor. I've

> tried making tortillas without lime (from cornmeal) and it didn't work

> so I assumed there was some chemistry involved in making the starch

> stick better, but maybe not.

>

> It's not very hard to make your own corn tortillas. We use popcorn

> because I can easily get it organic. If you make your own nixtamal

> (the corn soaked in lime) then you can also use it to make delicious

> grits, or add it to soups for a really wonderful flavor. I make up 3

> cups of popcorn at a time, grind it all then freeze it until I need

> it. Once you have the nixtamal, you just add water if needed to get it

> to barely stick when you squeeze it in a ball then roll it out on some

> plastic wrap, and fry it in a bit of lard - 1 min. each side unless

> you want it crispy.

>

> Here's a recipe (they've doubled the amounts I usually use - 3 cups

> corn and 1 generous tablespoon lime).

> http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/masa.htm

> <http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/masa.htm>

>

> I don't think it needs to be sprouted because the lime treatment

> destroys the phytates. I'd also guess you might have trouble making

> good dough with pure ground sprouted corn because when it sprouts it

> makes enzymes that completely change the starch. I wonder if the ones

> you get have flour or non-sprouted cornmeal added.

>

>

> >

> > Well, I assumed lime (calcium oxide) as per normal for tortillas. The

> > CSA doesn't really seem to get it so I will ask her to clarify.

> >

> > Dawn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't remember if Carolyn posted this before but here goes.

http://raypeat.com/articles/nutrition/carrageenan.shtml

In 1979 some of my students in Mexico wanted a project to do in the lab. Since

several traditional foods are made with corn that has been boiled in alkali, I

thought it would be valuable to see whether this treatment reduced the ability

of the starch grains to be persorbed. For breakfast one day, they ate only

atole, tamales, and tortillas, all made from the alkali treated corn. None of

the students could find any starch grains after centrifuging their blood and

urine. That led me to substitute those foods whenever possible for other

starches.

Volkheimer found that mice fed raw starch aged at an abnormally fast rate, and

when he dissected the starch-fed mice, he found a multitude of

starch-grain-blocked arterioles in every organ, each of which caused the death

of the cells that depended on the blood supplied by that arteriole. It isn't

hard to see how this would affect the functions of organs such as the brain and

heart, even without considering the immunological and other implications of the

presence of foreign particles randomly distributed through the tissue.

http://www.old-herborn-university.de/literature/books/OHUni_book_14_article_2.pd\

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Joan

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> p. 454 and 486 of NT talk about soaking corn in lime water.

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> > Well, I assumed lime (calcium oxide) as per normal for tortillas. The

> > CSA doesn't really seem to get it so I will ask her to clarify.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting - that's an interesting article!

>

> I can't remember if Carolyn posted this before but here goes.

>

> http://raypeat.com/articles/nutrition/carrageenan.shtml

[Guest guest]

can you eat rice if it's been soaked like in NT?

--- In , Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...>

wrote:

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> It's definitely wheat free- I'm gluten intolerant and I eat them fine with no

problem. Rice, thankfully, never has gluten (though I find that it doesn't

agree with me, but....) unless it's contaminated.

[Guest guest]

Honestly, I've never tried. ly, rice just isn't that worth it to me. lol

Now if I could tolerate rye or something, that would be another story.... Alas,

my body seems to rebel against all grains, soaked or not. I'm about to undergo

allergy testing tomorrow to try to at least have a starting point for what I'm

sensitive too, because lately it seems to be everything.

From: zgraff@...

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:52:34 +0000

Subject: Re: Corn Tortillas - Sprouting corn?

can you eat rice if it's been soaked like in NT?

--- In , Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...>

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problem. Rice, thankfully, never has gluten (though I find that it doesn't

agree with me, but....) unless it's contaminated.

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maybe GAPS would help

http://gapsdiet.com/

--- In , Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...>

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lol Now if I could tolerate rye or something, that would be another story....

Alas, my body seems to rebel against all grains, soaked or not. I'm about to

undergo allergy testing tomorrow to try to at least have a starting point for

what I'm sensitive too, because lately it seems to be everything.

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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:52:34 +0000

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Did you get a chance to read the magnesium article? Take a look at the last

paragraph, which is especially interesting in light of the nations growing

number of people with problems handling grains (I left the rest in there to help

you determine if that's what you are experiencing):

From http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

Symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency?

.... Magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every organ system of the body.

With regard to skeletal muscle, one may experience twitches, cramps, muscle

tension, muscle soreness, including back aches, neck pain, tension headaches and

jaw joint (or TMJ) dysfunction. Also, one may experience chest tightness or a

peculiar sensation that he can't take a deep breath. Sometimes a person may sigh

a lot.

Symptoms involving impaired contraction of smooth muscles include constipation;

urinary spasms; menstrual cramps; difficulty swallowing or a lump in the

throat-especially provoked by eating sugar; photophobia, especially difficulty

adjusting to oncoming bright headlights in the absence of eye disease; and loud

noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear.

....Continuing with the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, the central nervous

system is markedly affected. Symptoms include insomnia, anxiety, hyperactivity

and restlessness with constant movement, panic attacks, agoraphobia, and

premenstrual irritability. Magnesium deficiency symptoms involving the

peripheral nervous system include numbness, tingling, and other abnormal

sensations, such as zips, zaps and vibratory sensations.

Symptoms or signs of the cardiovascular system include palpitations, heart

arrhythmias, angina due to spasms of the coronary arteries, high blood pressure

and mitral valve prolapse. Be aware that not all of the symptoms need to be

present to presume magnesium deficiency; but, many of them often occur together.

For example, people with mitral valve prolapse frequently have palpitations,

anxiety, panic attacks and premenstrual symptoms. People with magnesium

deficiency often seem to be " uptight. " Other general symptoms include a salt

craving, both carbohydrate craving and carbohydrate intolerance, especially of

chocolate, and breast tenderness.

--- In , Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...>

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lol Now if I could tolerate rye or something, that would be another story....

Alas, my body seems to rebel against all grains, soaked or not. I'm about to

undergo allergy testing tomorrow to try to at least have a starting point for

what I'm sensitive too, because lately it seems to be everything.

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[Guest guest]

Interesting! I have long suspected that I've been deficient, and my daughter

(who's 20 months old and still gets most of her calories from breastmilk) seems

to be showing signs as well.

Oddly, I just got back from buying an elemental magnesium supplement at Whole

Foods for her- perhaps we'll both take it and see what happens.

From: haecklers@...

Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:09:44 +0000

Subject: Re: Corn Tortillas - Sprouting corn?

Did you get a chance to read the magnesium article? Take a look at the

last paragraph, which is especially interesting in light of the nations growing

number of people with problems handling grains (I left the rest in there to help

you determine if that's what you are experiencing):

From http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

Symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency?

.... Magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every organ system of the body.

With regard to skeletal muscle, one may experience twitches, cramps, muscle

tension, muscle soreness, including back aches, neck pain, tension headaches and

jaw joint (or TMJ) dysfunction. Also, one may experience chest tightness or a

peculiar sensation that he can't take a deep breath. Sometimes a person may sigh

a lot.

Symptoms involving impaired contraction of smooth muscles include constipation;

urinary spasms; menstrual cramps; difficulty swallowing or a lump in the

throat-especially provoked by eating sugar; photophobia, especially difficulty

adjusting to oncoming bright headlights in the absence of eye disease; and loud

noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear.

....Continuing with the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, the central nervous

system is markedly affected. Symptoms include insomnia, anxiety, hyperactivity

and restlessness with constant movement, panic attacks, agoraphobia, and

premenstrual irritability. Magnesium deficiency symptoms involving the

peripheral nervous system include numbness, tingling, and other abnormal

sensations, such as zips, zaps and vibratory sensations.

Symptoms or signs of the cardiovascular system include palpitations, heart

arrhythmias, angina due to spasms of the coronary arteries, high blood pressure

and mitral valve prolapse. Be aware that not all of the symptoms need to be

present to presume magnesium deficiency; but, many of them often occur together.

For example, people with mitral valve prolapse frequently have palpitations,

anxiety, panic attacks and premenstrual symptoms. People with magnesium

deficiency often seem to be " uptight. " Other general symptoms include a salt

craving, both carbohydrate craving and carbohydrate intolerance, especially of

chocolate, and breast tenderness.

--- In , Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...>

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lol Now if I could tolerate rye or something, that would be another story....

Alas, my body seems to rebel against all grains, soaked or not. I'm about to

undergo allergy testing tomorrow to try to at least have a starting point for

what I'm sensitive too, because lately it seems to be everything.

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I read the article and it is of great help. I have MANY of those

symptoms and haven't been taking the magnesium supplements I used to...

Thanks!

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Yes, you know looking back I've wondered if that was behind some of the stomach

aches my kids had as babies. I wish I'd known then about magnesium and its role

in helping the smooth muscles of the digestive system function back then! Maybe

we all could have had much better sleep at night! I've also read that a bit of

salt will help babies who have colic. That article or a different one said

there are four basic minerals we need - sodium, magnesium, potassium, and

calcium and deficiency in any can cause problems. Babies do seem to have low

salt diets, so it could be the issue.

Another thing you can do for babies is put epsom salt in their bath water, but I

don't know how much they really absorb via the skin.

One more thing I wish I'd known, since we're on this topic, is that milk of

magnesia (the laxative liquid sold as ) is supposed to clear up diaper

rash really quickly and other skin problems in babies as well. Much safer than

mineral oil (tho you probably know better than using that!)

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I will have to try that for rashes! I try to put some coconut oil on

him and it works well unless the rash is really bad like when he had

some diarrhea. Thankfully that doesn't happen often!

My son has gotten celtic sea salt since he was an infant as I lost my

breast milk so we made the NT formula and I'd add a bit. I also put a

tiny bit in his food. He loves organic peas with pastured butter and a

pinch of celtic salt.

Dawn