Re: 100% Raw Food Diet?-Also, to Chris Masterjohn, please moderate

May 20, 2009

If you didn't want to lose an argument, you should have paid closer attention to

my posting history. Swearing at me doesn't shore up your side of the debate

with anyone here. And finally...

If there's no trend toward bigger brains, why are all the most primitive species

the ones with the smallest brains, and the most complex (and relatively newer)

species the ones with bigger brains? Humans have the biggest brains, are the

most complex species, and are one of the newest. Crocodiles are much older, and

have much smaller brains. whales and dolphins are in between, as far as length

of time and brain/body size ratio, and complexity. Sponges are older than all

of the species on my little comparison chart, and have no real brain, and are

also the least complex.

Never mind whether I'm an ass. Can you find a flaw in that logic? EVerybody

with any sense knows that you can't.

You lost. You may be less of an ass (or not), but you lost.

To Masterjohn--------------------------------please moderate this poster.

Thank you, Chris.

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> > > > I have no idea what apes evolved from, but I bet it had a smaller brain

than an ape.

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> > > > It's a good thing those early proto-apes learned to cook their fruit, or

they'd never have evolved into chimps, etc. They'd still have smaller brains,

right? LOL

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> > > > Dude, come on. Stop the bleeding and give up. I don't like ripping

into people like this.

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> > > > Mike

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May 20, 2009

I don't know what your problem is--first, you personally attacked other posters.

I posted information about why they had a good case. I have no idea if the

hypothesis I discussed will turn out to be correct, but it has plenty of

evidence for it right now. I don't know why your ad hominens count as good

arguments or why you persist in not understanding how to parse statements.

As for evolution, read anything by Stehen Jay Gould (or really any modern

evolutionist) about how there is not a great chain of being from less to more

complex in the history of life. Crocodiles continue to be adapted to the

environment they live in--there is no evolutionary pressure for them to get

bigger brains, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE NOT (again, countering your point that

there is a universal tendency to bigger brains). Whales and dolphins are not

descended from crocodiles, so comparing their brain sizes is pretty pointless.

Most organisms are complex in some ways--it's not even clear if you can

categorize or grade complexity as such, or that humans are the most complex.

Where is the flaw in the argument that species evolve new characteristics, like

bigger brains, at particular moments in time in response to environmental

pressures, rather than continuously across all contexts? The latter makes no

sense at all from an evolutionary perspective. Even if there was a slow,

universal drift to bigger brains, there still would be a need to explain the

much larger growth in brain size of early humans, hence the hypothesis that has

been proposed by scientists that we discussed. Your " hypothesis " can not explain

that at all. And I presented the state of evidence at this time--it is not my

hypothesis and I'm not interested in doing any more than pointing out the

strength of evidence that exists for it at this time. I'm not in debate club,

though I do know how to identify and construct a valid argument.

If you want to eat all raw, go ahead. I don't have a pony in this race. I eat

WAPF, so I eat raw milk, occasional raw meat, and a fair amount of raw

vegetables. I could be convinced to eat more or less. That's not why I

intervened in this discussion. ly, I did so because I have read about the

relevant science here and I don't like bullies. You have done nothing but bully

people who raise arguments that you take to challenge your core beliefs.

Nothing prevents anyone from eating raw (or for there being health benefits to

it), just because humans evolved bigger brains while cooking food. But logical

entailment is clearly not your strength.

Bill

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> > > > > I have no idea what apes evolved from, but I bet it had a smaller

brain than an ape.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a good thing those early proto-apes learned to cook their fruit,

or they'd never have evolved into chimps, etc. They'd still have smaller

brains, right? LOL

> > > > >

> > > > > Dude, come on. Stop the bleeding and give up. I don't like ripping

into people like this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mike

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May 20, 2009

Dolphins have bigger brains than humans. However, much of their brain capacity

is there for the sole purpose of their sonar. We have the most advanced brain

for various abilities of comprehension and application.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On May 20, 2009, at 11:04 AM, " lynchwt " <lynchwt@...> wrote: