Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

[Guest guest]

How do I say this without sounding a freak?

There are so called placebo effects with many things.

For me " placebo " is when the body gets after something itself, and we have no

idea why it works.

The mind is very powerful and it sure knows more than we'd think.

I believe there is more to CCSVI, Prokarin, etc. than one reads initially and if

neuros and skeptics want to put it down to placebo that is fine by me.

I think anything we go after (whether it be the aforementioned) we should stick

by.

Personally I believe in CCSVI NOT as a placebo, have studied its science and it

makes sense but if someone were to rubbish it (as my ex neuro) I still think he

is missing something.

Prokarin is perhaps the same.

You need to believe in something or it is doomed to failure before you start.

Don't really know - just talking outloud here.

Janet

To: mscured

From: wprice@...

Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:27:08 +0000

Subject: Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update

So you're going to give it a good 2 to 3 weeks and if you don't see any

" improvement " your not going to reorder? Sorry for being blunt, but I think you

are doomed for failure right out of the gates with that kind of expectation.

There are no silver bullets. Most of what works for most people seem to work

because of their determination to make it work.

You don't seem to have any determination. If that's the case, nothing will work

for you and you are wasting your time and money.

Some people have been " cured " of their MS symptoms solely because they have

" faith " in their cures, whatever they may be.

If you don't have faith, you will never improve. You need to win the battle of

your mind, first.

Giving Prokarin 2 to 3 weeks to work " or else " is not having faith. It's just

proving what already seems to be what you have made up in your mind.

Hope this helps you.

[Guest guest]

Please could you give anybody give me the phone no. for prokarin (I am

ordering from the uk) I would be really grateful for this I`ve sent

about 8 emails to the group asking if anyone knows this and no one has

replied.

Many thanks

Judith miller

________________________________

From: mscured [mailto:mscured ] On Behalf

Of Alan Samston

Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:49 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

Janet,

I do agree and personally I think both Prokarin and CCSVI are placebo.

But I

also think that if Placebo works, that is if the person believes in it

strongly

enough, their mind will create those changes in the body. So to that

extent it

is great and bring on the placebo. For me, since I don't believe in

Prokarin or

CCSVI the placebo effect isn't going to work.

I was been blasted by this group just for trying to make Janet feel

better and

admitting I was a worrier and that is why I posted the " restenosis will

happen "

article. I frankly have not gotten worse in the past 3 of the 5 years

that I

have had PPMS and that is because of all the natural things I have done.

So

those of you preaching at me, need not worry. I have full mobility and

full use

of my arms and legs and all of my other symptoms have stayed stable--so

I think

you should worry about yourselves instead of displacing your issues on

me.

________________________________

From: Janet Orchard <janetorchard@...

<mailto:janetorchard%40hotmail.com> >

To: MS-Cured <mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

>

Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 3:40:07 PM

Subject: RE: Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

How do I say this without sounding a freak?

There are so called placebo effects with many things.

[Guest guest]

hi judith, i have been asking the same question without answer so fingers x

someone replies

regards/peter/ppms/london

To: mscured

Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 11:58

Subject: RE: Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

 

Please could you give anybody give me the phone no. for prokarin (I am

ordering from the uk) I would be really grateful for this I`ve sent

about 8 emails to the group asking if anyone knows this and no one has

replied.

Many thanks

Judith miller

________________________________

From: mscured [mailto:mscured ] On Behalf

Of Alan Samston

Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:49 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

Janet,

I do agree and personally I think both Prokarin and CCSVI are placebo.

But I

also think that if Placebo works, that is if the person believes in it

strongly

enough, their mind will create those changes in the body. So to that

extent it

is great and bring on the placebo. For me, since I don't believe in

Prokarin or

CCSVI the placebo effect isn't going to work.

I was been blasted by this group just for trying to make Janet feel

better and

admitting I was a worrier and that is why I posted the " restenosis will

happen "

article. I frankly have not gotten worse in the past 3 of the 5 years

that I

have had PPMS and that is because of all the natural things I have done.

So

those of you preaching at me, need not worry. I have full mobility and

full use

of my arms and legs and all of my other symptoms have stayed stable--so

I think

you should worry about yourselves instead of displacing your issues on

me.

________________________________

From: Janet Orchard <janetorchard@...

<mailto:janetorchard%40hotmail.com> >

To: MS-Cured <mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

>

Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 3:40:07 PM

Subject: RE: Placebo (was Re: Prokarin Day 2 Update)

How do I say this without sounding a freak?

There are so called placebo effects with many things.

[Guest guest]

Stillpoint Center for Integrative Medicine

Temecula, California

(951)461-4800

I talked with Dr. Woeller. He writes the prescription and sends it to Custom RX

compounding pharmacy and they mail it to you.

The phone consultation costs $200 for 30 minutes. The Prokarin is free (at the

moment) for the first month, $230 thereafter. Dr. Woeller writes a refill

prescription for one month, at which point he wants to do a follow-up before

writing ongoing prescriptions.

The information s going into the file.

> Please could you give anybody give me the phone no. for prokarin (I am

> ordering from the uk) I would be really grateful for this I`ve sent

> about 8 emails to the group asking if anyone knows this and no one has

> replied.