Re: possible alternative to fermented codliver oil...

[Guest guest]

That fermented CLO is incredibly expensive. I get regular CLO for about 15$ per

quart. Is the fermented stuff really that much better?

[Guest guest]

I would need to know what type you are taking in order to say whether or not it

is a better selection.

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/441/healthy-fats-oils

So I am guessing the fermented cod liver oil isn't really much higher in vitamin

a and d compared to just high quality cod liver oil.

The type of codliver oil you get is very important.  Now in days many brands are

put through heat which causes rancidity, and other brands are taking from cods

during the time of the year where their vitamin content 2X less, and others

aren't even derived from the cod's liver.  Another problem is that the vit a is

taken out due to the false conclusion in the medical community that it is toxic.

I think Masterjohn was saying the other real benefits to codliver oil are

the vitamin a and d content.  You can get all the necessary polyunsaturated fats

from grassfed beef meat and eggs.  I don't see any real purpose to cod liver oil

then as I can get my vitamin a from beef liver and my vitamin d from

supplements.  As long as the supplement is of the naturally occuring vitamin d3

it should be good.  It's much cheaper to do it this way too.

Yours Truly,

Holt

From: Hansuke <doublethink03@...>

Subject: Re: possible alternative to fermented codliver oil...

Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 3:46 AM

 

That fermented CLO is incredibly expensive. I get regular CLO

for about 15$ per quart. Is the fermented stuff really that much better?

[Guest guest]

Here are a few reasons why the fermented CLO is significantly different than

regular CLO and also very different than just taking isolated Vitamin A and

Vitamin D.

" The fermented clo has a total quinone count 700-1600 times higher than the same

oil prior to fermentation. I do not expect to find any quinone count in any

highly processed cod liver oil. Quinones are a group of nutrients such as the

vitamin k's, vitamin E's, COQ enzymes plus other known and unknowing

structures. "

" # Lacto-fermentation transforms natural vitamin A into different metabolites

that are easily absorbed into our bodies (just as in your gut if your gut is

working properly). I have found reference to at least 15 different natural forms

of Vitamin A that nature provides. Not just the 2-3 that are commonly

discussed. "

" # There are over 3000 derivatives of vitamin D. Many are natural and others are

produced in laboratories. Not much of the vitamin D topic is understood or

discussed in main stream science. Current discussions are just scratching the

surface of the topic. Reminder, vitamin D is more accurately categorized as a

hormone not a vitamin. "

>

> That fermented CLO is incredibly expensive. I get regular CLO for about 15$

per quart. Is the fermented stuff really that much better?

>

[Guest guest]

You can also get the quinones from grassfed animal's milk, eggs, and meat.  You

can also age and ferment grassfed animal's milk, eggs, and meat.  You can get

vitamin a from liver.  Your body can produce vitamin D by itself from sun

exposure.  So I don't believe there would be a problem with taking in the

isolated form.  They just exposed an animal's skin to the sun and put the

vitamin D into a supplement.  As long as it is all natural and absorbable.

However, I do agree with you that the fermented cod liver oil from greenpasture

is better quality than the cod liver oil from quantum.  Quantum's is just as

good of quality as the high vitamin cod liver oil greenpasture used to make

before it switched to the fermented type.

From: gdawson6 <gdawson6@...>

Subject: Re: possible alternative to fermented codliver oil...

Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:29 AM

 

Here are a few reasons why the fermented CLO is significantly

different than regular CLO and also very different than just taking isolated

Vitamin A and Vitamin D.

" The fermented clo has a total quinone count 700-1600 times higher than the same

oil prior to fermentation. I do not expect to find any quinone count in any

highly processed cod liver oil. Quinones are a group of nutrients such as the

vitamin k's, vitamin E's, COQ enzymes plus other known and unknowing

structures. "

" # Lacto-fermentation transforms natural vitamin A into different metabolites

that are easily absorbed into our bodies (just as in your gut if your gut is

working properly). I have found reference to at least 15 different natural forms

of Vitamin A that nature provides. Not just the 2-3 that are commonly

discussed. "

" # There are over 3000 derivatives of vitamin D. Many are natural and others are

produced in laboratories. Not much of the vitamin D topic is understood or

discussed in main stream science. Current discussions are just scratching the

surface of the topic. Reminder, vitamin D is more accurately categorized as a

hormone not a vitamin. "

>

> That fermented CLO is incredibly expensive. I get regular CLO for about 15$

per quart. Is the fermented stuff really that much better?

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, good work . It's nice to know there are more economical

alternatives to fermented cod liver oil. Although, it's still nice to

have that alternative, too, and FCLO does provide the benefits of fish

oil, right? DHA and EPA? And wouldn't you get sick of beef liver every

day?

Just FYI the brand I have currently, Quantum Cod Liver Oil Liquid,

from Premier Research Labs in Round Rock, Texas, says it contains

5,750 units Vitamin A and 575 units of Vitamin D per 1/2 tsp serving,

12.5 ml. Also, 23 units Vit. E, 270 mg EPA, and 264 mg DHA. The label

says it is " guaranteed free of heavy metals and solvents (as commonly

found in most U.S. cod liver oil), Unfortified, non-destearinated, not

bleached or deodorized, 100% excipient-free, no cheap oil additives or

fillers " and also " Naturally rich in EPA/DHA oils for healthy memory,

attention and brain function, unlike products containing isolated DHA,

which is typically solvent-obtained and highly susceptible to

rancidity because it has lots its normal chemo-protective fatty acid

matrix. " I'm not certain where my boyfriend got it, but probably

through Dr. Tom Cowan, or Radiant Life. I'm not sure whether it's

still available. I don't have the price.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Holt wrote:

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/547/superfoods-supplements

>

> The above form of all natural vit d is cheap at only $10 for 165

> drops. I would have 2 drops a day so it would last me almost three

> months. That would give me 4000IU of vit D a day. That's $4 a month.

>

> For vitamin a I could have 3 oz of raw beef liver every day. I can

> get it grassfed for $3 a pound. That would be $12 a month. That

> would give me 30,000IU of vit a a day. In total this combination

> would cost me $16 a month.

>

> Otherwise I would need 11ml of fermented codliver a day to get

> 4000IU of vit D a day. That would cost me $59 a month. This

> strategy is more than 3 times more expensive and I still need

> 10,000IU more of vit a for optimum intake.

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/533/healthy-fats-oils

>

> It appears I would need to have 11ml of the fermented codliver oil

> gel in order to get 4048IU of vitamin D and 19,800IU of vitamin A.

>

> The old label for fermented codliver oil said there was 3500IU of

> vit a per 1ml and 600IU of vit d per ml. What happened?

>

> The new label says says 4500IU of vit a per 2.5ml and 920IU of vit d

> per 2.5ml.

>

> My goal is to get 4000IU of vit d a day and 30,000IU of vit a a day.

>

> So what is everybody's thoughts on this?

>

> Yours Truly,

> Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't tried fermented yet, but I think I just read in the past

couple of days on the WAPF site that the reason for fermentation is

that it allows solvent-free extraction of the maximum amount of

vitamins from the cod liver, although it takes longer. Correct me if

my memory is wrong. Brands like Carlson's are cheaper but they take

out the vitamins and add back a smaller amount of synthetic ones.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:46 AM, Hansuke wrote:

> That fermented CLO is incredibly expensive. I get regular CLO for

> about 15$ per quart. Is the fermented stuff really that much better?

>

>

>

> ___

[Guest guest]

Quantum is much cheaper too at $17 for 8 oz.  17.5 ml or 3.5tspn would give me

all the vitamin a and d I would need.  It would cost me $40 a month to get all

the a and d I would need from this one.

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 547/superfoods- supplements

>

> The above form of all natural vit d is cheap at only $10 for 165

> drops. I would have 2 drops a day so it would last me almost three

> months. That would give me 4000IU of vit D a day. That's $4 a month.

>

> For vitamin a I could have 3 oz of raw beef liver every day. I can

> get it grassfed for $3 a pound. That would be $12 a month. That

> would give me 30,000IU of vit a a day. In total this combination

> would cost me $16 a month.

>

> Otherwise I would need 11ml of fermented codliver a day to get

> 4000IU of vit D a day. That would cost me $59 a month. This

> strategy is more than 3 times more expensive and I still need

> 10,000IU more of vit a for optimum intake.

>

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 533/healthy- fats-oils

>

> It appears I would need to have 11ml of the fermented codliver oil

> gel in order to get 4048IU of vitamin D and 19,800IU of vitamin A.

>

> The old label for fermented codliver oil said there was 3500IU of

> vit a per 1ml and 600IU of vit d per ml. What happened?

>

> The new label says says 4500IU of vit a per 2.5ml and 920IU of vit d

> per 2.5ml.

>

> My goal is to get 4000IU of vit d a day and 30,000IU of vit a a day.

>

> So what is everybody's thoughts on this?

>

> Yours Truly,

> Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

Grassfed beef, dairy and most likely poultry contain epa and dha too.  So I can

just get it from that fat.  Read this article:

http://www.healthandfitnessforyou.org/Why-the-Fuss-About-Omega-3-.html

Masterjohn says you really don't need that much epa or dha in the diet. 

He thinks the amount in pastured animals would be sufficient as the body stores

these fatty acids.  Also, a cow's brain is a great source for these nutrients. 

Very rich in epa and dha.

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 547/superfoods- supplements

>

> The above form of all natural vit d is cheap at only $10 for 165

> drops. I would have 2 drops a day so it would last me almost three

> months. That would give me 4000IU of vit D a day. That's $4 a month.

>

> For vitamin a I could have 3 oz of raw beef liver every day. I can

> get it grassfed for $3 a pound. That would be $12 a month. That

> would give me 30,000IU of vit a a day. In total this combination

> would cost me $16 a month.

>

> Otherwise I would need 11ml of fermented codliver a day to get

> 4000IU of vit D a day. That would cost me $59 a month. This

> strategy is more than 3 times more expensive and I still need

> 10,000IU more of vit a for optimum intake.

>

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 533/healthy- fats-oils

>

> It appears I would need to have 11ml of the fermented codliver oil

> gel in order to get 4048IU of vitamin D and 19,800IU of vitamin A.

>

> The old label for fermented codliver oil said there was 3500IU of

> vit a per 1ml and 600IU of vit d per ml. What happened?

>

> The new label says says 4500IU of vit a per 2.5ml and 920IU of vit d

> per 2.5ml.

>

> My goal is to get 4000IU of vit d a day and 30,000IU of vit a a day.

>

> So what is everybody's thoughts on this?

>

> Yours Truly,

> Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

Who wants to swallow fermented cod liver oil everyday?  I'd rather have the

liver as it has other benefits too.

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 547/superfoods- supplements

>

> The above form of all natural vit d is cheap at only $10 for 165

> drops. I would have 2 drops a day so it would last me almost three

> months. That would give me 4000IU of vit D a day. That's $4 a month.

>

> For vitamin a I could have 3 oz of raw beef liver every day. I can

> get it grassfed for $3 a pound. That would be $12 a month. That

> would give me 30,000IU of vit a a day. In total this combination

> would cost me $16 a month.

>

> Otherwise I would need 11ml of fermented codliver a day to get

> 4000IU of vit D a day. That would cost me $59 a month. This

> strategy is more than 3 times more expensive and I still need

> 10,000IU more of vit a for optimum intake.

>

> http://www.radiantl ifecatalog. com/product/ 533/healthy- fats-oils

>

> It appears I would need to have 11ml of the fermented codliver oil

> gel in order to get 4048IU of vitamin D and 19,800IU of vitamin A.

>

> The old label for fermented codliver oil said there was 3500IU of

> vit a per 1ml and 600IU of vit d per ml. What happened?

>

> The new label says says 4500IU of vit a per 2.5ml and 920IU of vit d

> per 2.5ml.

>

> My goal is to get 4000IU of vit d a day and 30,000IU of vit a a day.

>

> So what is everybody's thoughts on this?

>

> Yours Truly,

> Holt

>

>

[Guest guest]

And those are pretty high dosages.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Holt wrote:

> Quantum is much cheaper too at $17 for 8 oz. 17.5 ml or 3.5tspn

> would give me all the vitamin a and d I would need. It would cost

> me $40 a month to get all the a and d I would need from this one.

>

> ---

[Guest guest]

Hey, if you want to eat cow's brains, be my guest! You can have my

share. <g> I'd rather fork out some extra cash for CLO. I don't take

it in the mega-doses you do, nor even absolutely every day. I take it

more like 3-4 times a week as insurance. I get sun exposure and eat

pastured meats, though not every day, the best eggs I can get, lots of

butter and other good fats. Fortunately we don't all have to stick to

one rigid diet; as Dr. Price discovered, native peoples with widely

varying diets were very healthy on their traditional diets. They

didn't all take CLO, nor did they all eat grass-fed beef liver or

brains, but they all got lots of A and D from various sources. I can't

bring myself to eat crickets or fish eyes, either. I'm only a

*semi*adventurous eater: sushi—yes, insects—no. liver—yes, brains—no

thanks!

Jeanmarie

On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Holt wrote:

> Grassfed beef, dairy and most likely poultry contain epa and dha

> too. So I can just get it from that fat. Read this article:

>

> http://www.healthandfitnessforyou.org/Why-the-Fuss-About-Omega-3-.html

>

> Masterjohn says you really don't need that much epa or dha in

> the diet. He thinks the amount in pastured animals would be

> sufficient as the body stores these fatty acids. Also, a cow's

> brain is a great source for these nutrients. Very rich in epa and

> dha.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Of the people Price studied I would base my principals off of the Inuit and the

Muran warriors.  Both groups had a lot of raw food, fat soluble vitamins being

30,000IU of vitamin A a day and 4000IU of vitamin D a day.  They both had the

meat, organs, and other such stuff.  The Masai had meat and dairy.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It has 1350 IU vitamin A and 85 IU vitamin D per gram. Otherwise, I can't say

much. It's a German brand.

>

> From: Hansuke <doublethink03@...>

> Subject: Re: possible alternative to fermented codliver oil...

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[Guest guest]

That's rather low in D. I believe the desirable ratio is 10-to-1 A-to-D.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Hansuke wrote:

> It has 1350 IU vitamin A and 85 IU vitamin D per gram. Otherwise, I

> can't say much. It's a German brand.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you. Should be ok for now, as I'm getting plenty of sun. I'll have to look

into that when summer is over, though.

[Guest guest]

I am doing the Shopping Guide for WAPF. the right proportions are 10 or fewer

units vitamin A to one unit vitamin D.

1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil contains 9500 IU vitamin A

and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1.

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/cod-liver-oil-menu.html

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[Guest guest]

I just ordered several bottles of FCLO, looking forward to trying it.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:51 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

> I am doing the Shopping Guide for WAPF. the right proportions are 10

> or fewer units vitamin A to one unit vitamin D.

>

> 1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil contains 9500 IU

> vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1.

> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/cod-liver-oil-menu.html

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> > That's rather low in D. I believe the desirable ratio is 10-to-1 A-

> to-D.

> > Jeanmarie

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How did you get that amount for fermented codliver oil?

I calculated 1 tspn of it at 4500IU of vitamin A and 920IU of vitamin D.  I

would personally say to have 4 tspns to a tblspn a day.

> I am doing the Shopping Guide for WAPF. the right proportions are 10

> or fewer units vitamin A to one unit vitamin D.

>

> 1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil contains 9500 IU

> vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1.

> http://www.westonap rice.org/ basicnutrition/ cod-liver- oil-menu. html

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Nevermind, your calculations are right.  I just woke up.  It's a little foggy in

the head right now.

> I am doing the Shopping Guide for WAPF. the right proportions are 10

> or fewer units vitamin A to one unit vitamin D.

>

> 1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil contains 9500 IU

> vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1.

> http://www.westonap rice.org/ basicnutrition/ cod-liver- oil-menu. html

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>My goal is to get 4000IU of vit d a day and 30,000IU of vit a a day.

>So what is everybody's thoughts on this?

I eat raw beef liver two or three times a week and go out in the sun

with shorts on for about a half-hour everyday around noon. Problem

solved.

I think eggs are pretty good source of A and D if you eat enough. I

eat about 6 raw chicken egg yolks per day, but I'd eat a lot more if I

had my own chickens/duck/geese or I had more disposable income to buy

more. About 10 per day would be ideal I think, maybe 15 because they

are soooo delicious and work with so many other foods! 90% of my food

bill is eggs because I mostly grow/forage my food.

Other items in this thread:

to : As far as tasting cod liver oil everyday, I used to eat

(drink) some CLO everyday for years (Premier/Quantum brand) and I

found it was a pleasant flavor.

to Jeanmarie: brain is actually VERY delicious. It's incredibly soft

and mild and clean tasting, with a delicate seafood flavor. Alongside

heart, it's probably the most amazingly delicious part of a mammal.

It's a very popular traditional food all over the place. You're

missing out!

-Mike

[Guest guest]

I believe you! I just am not ready to go there quite yet. <g> Hey,

when I first tried sashimi, about 32 years ago, I was on the cutting

edge. But I'm less and less adventurous about squeemish stuff. There

are so many other good things to eat that I already like. <g> But I'll

keep your review of brains in mind, so to speak.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Mike wrote:

> to Jeanmarie: brain is actually VERY delicious. It's incredibly soft

> and mild and clean tasting, with a delicate seafood flavor. Alongside

> heart, it's probably the most amazingly delicious part of a mammal.

> It's a very popular traditional food all over the place. You're

> missing out!

>

> -Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

More brains for Mike!

-PattyT

> ...brain is actually VERY delicious. It's incredibly soft

> and mild and clean tasting, with a delicate seafood flavor. Alongside

> heart, it's probably the most amazingly delicious part of a mammal.

> It's a very popular traditional food all over the place. You're

> missing out!

>