Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 So basicly if you take in a higher ratio of carbs and a lower ratio of fats your body will expend a lot of calories converting carbs to fatty acids. On the other hand if you consume very little carbs and a lot of fat your body will only convert some fat into glycerol and take the rest from your protein ketones and your muscle tissue to use as glucose and glycogen. If you do not consume enough carbs or fat your body will take even more away from your muscle tissue. One third of the protein you consume is dissipated in order to convert the other two thirds into muscle building, fat, or glucose. So a high protein intake is not an effective choice. This means not only rapid weight loss, but muscle loss too. I've heard that you can only lose 2-2.5 pounds of fat a week. It's more efficient to do a balanced approach of gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. As you lower your bodyfat and increase your lean muscle tissue your bodyfat percentage will lower at a much greater rate. We should be focusing more on our bodyfat percentage, rather than what the scale says. What is the most efficient macronutrient ratio in order to have optimal balance for a sedentary individual and an active individual? Here are a couple guidelines I have developed. As little unnecessary calories expended as possible. Very little muscle tissue loss as possible. This means taking in the adequate macronutrient source and nothing more. Apparently if you consume more fat your body learns to utilize more of the fatty acids as energy during low intensity activities. Therefore it is ideal to consume more fat, lower carb, on days you are not intensely active. There is a limit to the amount of carbs you can store at a time, and it is only possible to attain this max limit if you do activities that require more carb utilization. That max limit is somewhere around 500g. This depends from individual to individual, as there may be variations of glycogen storage that our genetics will permit. Even for these people on days they aren't as physically active their body will take more from fat than carbs if you consume more fat. It's good to train your body how to switch from different energy sources. The question I have is what percentage of fats and what percentage of carbs would you want during various activities? There isn't very much information about how much dietary fat the body requires everyday. I do know that the primary fat sources your body uses are free fatty acids, intramuscular triglycerides, and adipose tissue. Obviously the body needs a certain percentage because if it does not get it from the fats it will convert carbs or protein to fats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I've read several sources and they've been vague. Will you sell any books in the future that will thoroughly cover the subject? I guess that vo2max is based on a normal healthy heartbeat that is generated an aerobic or anaerobic activity. The harder your heart beats from an activity, the more blood that circulates the body, the more you sweat, and the more calories your body burns. I'm also trying to figure out how much and the percentage of triglyceride and glycogen usage your body needs for the various levels of vo2 max. Above 85%-130% vo2max I can't track the approximate glycogen and triglyceride usage. If I am 240 pounds and I am an active person I'd want between 4000-5000 calories a day. Being active can mean different things other than sports. Just by carrying a conversation with an individual you burn 3 calories a minute at my weight. When you sleep you burn 1-2 calories a minute. That is if this www.bodybuilding.com article is accurate. I do notice that if I eat a lot of food post workout I can go back a couple hours later and do other intense activities. I can also consume a lot more post workout than I can when I wake up. I think macronutrient intake is of huge importance for performance and recovery. When I ate low calories I was more prown to minor injuries and didn't recover nearly as fast. I think a high calorie diet in the proper ratio with an active lifestyle is not only essential, but also boosts your metabolism. I came up with an interesting theory. In order to figure out your macronutrient intake just base the percentages off of human mother's milk, 6% protein, 39% carbohydrate, and 54% fat. Add 0.36g of protein per a pound of bodyweight to the equation. To maintain a 240 pound body efficiently that would be approximately 86.4g of protein, 345.6g of fat, and 561.6g of carbs 5702 cal a day That would probably be if I were to sleep 8 hours a day, have moderate activity throughout such as writing, reading, working, and typing during other times of the day, and having some high intensity work such as fighting, dancing, jump roping, sparing, sprinting, yoga, stretching, and weight training the rest of the day. True High Intensity Training is like sprinting, it is an anaerobic movement and so it requires more carbs. The reason most people aren't successful with HIT is due to an inadequate macronutrient intake. Your body's output is only as good during anaerobic movements as the amount of glycogen you have stored. Your body can store up to 500g of glycogen, 400g muscle glycogen and 100g liver glycogen. You want to take in enough fat too so as to spare the glycogen. Even within 20 minutes of a pure HIT routine you will have burned between 150g to 250g or 600-800 calories. That would be 23g of fat and 97.5g to 147.5g of carbs. That is if my calculations are correct. I am assuming the body can burn between 4-7g of carbs a minute during anaerobic exercise. It can burn atleast 4-5g carbs a minute.. Throughout most activities below 85% vo2max you burn 50-85% of your energy as triglyceride, the lower the intensity the higher the ratio of triglyceride to glycogen burning. I was reading at your resting metabolic heartrate you may burn somewhere around one third to almost a half of your energy as carbs just for your brain functions. I would guess Bruce Lee wasn't totally aware of macronutrient ratio and intake, so he chose to stay at a lighter weight because it was much easier to maintain his recovery. Had he had this knowledge perhaps he would have chose to stay at a heavier bodyweight. That's why lighter people say it's easier to " stay healthy " at lower bodyweights. An interesting fact is that fat burning increases with the amount of oxygen that flows through your body. That means that most of the activities you do throughout the day are aerobic (with air) so they burn more fat. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kurilla1.htm Here's a couple more notes to take in: For the most part you want to maintain a ratio of 6% protein, 54% fat, and 39% carbohydrate throughout the day while you are doing aerobic movements which include jogging, running, and standing for ex. Before a workout that involves mostly anaerobic work, you want to change your intake to 6% protein, 54% carbohydrate, and 39% fat. This ratio change is unnecessary if you only spend 20 minutes doing anaerobic work. Sprinting would be considered anaerobic (without air where carbs are the preferred fuel source). Weightlifting would be considered anaerobic. Keep in mind fat burning is at it's max at 70-85% vo2 max, and carb burning dramatically increases. For example: If you workout during noontime and you plan to do an hours worth of anaerboic work you would want to change your ratio to 6% protein, 54% carbohydrate, and 39% fat for breakfast, and then the original ratio for the rest of the day. It takes several hours for your body to metabolize glycogen post workout, but your body will metabolize about 54% of it's calories into replenishing the triglycerides (fat stores) post workout. Another interesting note is that your body is far more efficient at metabolizing carbs and fat during a physical activity than afterwords. I would recommend taking in a liquid based fast digesting source of macronutrients during higher intensity activities. This would of course be an isotonic beverage, meaning that it matches the mineral profile of your blood and is quick absorbing. The best sources in order are raw goats milk or fermented/kefired, coconut milk or kefired, and raw cows milkor fermented/kefired. Everyother source pales in comparison. Well, the very best source may be grassfed animal's blood, but nobody would do that. You can have these drinks instead of gatorade or cytomax, and they kick both of the above beverages asses. You can also completely replace water with these milks. Some people call milk white blood. If you have an allergy to any form of raw cows milk, you may have no problem with raw goats milk. You can sweeten the drinks up with raw cacao, unheated honey, and vanilla extract. Just avoid refined sugar. The problem with refined sugar is that the enzymes have been removed so it may " poison " your body and cause poor performance. One of the healthiest recorded cultures in the world, the Masai, had their warriors, the Moran, consume 7 quarts of raw cows milk almost everyday, with cow meat/organs/blood on the other days. No vegetables, no fruits, no nuts, nothing except for maybe some special herbs. They were 6'6 " on average and weighed 155 pounds. Their diet was about 4200 calories a day. From: Holt <danthemanholt@...> Subject: My current thoughts on macronutrient intake daily performance. Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:47 AM So basicly if you take in a higher ratio of carbs and a lower ratio of fats your body will expend a lot of calories converting carbs to fatty acids. On the other hand if you consume very little carbs and a lot of fat your body will only convert some fat into glycerol and take the rest from your protein ketones and your muscle tissue to use as glucose and glycogen. If you do not consume enough carbs or fat your body will take even more away from your muscle tissue. One third of the protein you consume is dissipated in order to convert the other two thirds into muscle building, fat, or glucose. So a high protein intake is not an effective choice. This means not only rapid weight loss, but muscle loss too. I've heard that you can only lose 2-2.5 pounds of fat a week. It's more efficient to do a balanced approach of gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. As you lower your bodyfat and increase your lean muscle tissue your bodyfat percentage will lower at a much greater rate. We should be focusing more on our bodyfat percentage, rather than what the scale says. What is the most efficient macronutrient ratio in order to have optimal balance for a sedentary individual and an active individual? Here are a couple guidelines I have developed. As little unnecessary calories expended as possible. Very little muscle tissue loss as possible. This means taking in the adequate macronutrient source and nothing more. Apparently if you consume more fat your body learns to utilize more of the fatty acids as energy during low intensity activities. Therefore it is ideal to consume more fat, lower carb, on days you are not intensely active. There is a limit to the amount of carbs you can store at a time, and it is only possible to attain this max limit if you do activities that require more carb utilization. That max limit is somewhere around 500g. This depends from individual to individual, as there may be variations of glycogen storage that our genetics will permit. Even for these people on days they aren't as physically active their body will take more from fat than carbs if you consume more fat. It's good to train your body how to switch from different energy sources. The question I have is what percentage of fats and what percentage of carbs would you want during various activities? There isn't very much information about how much dietary fat the body requires everyday. I do know that the primary fat sources your body uses are free fatty acids, intramuscular triglycerides, and adipose tissue. Obviously the body needs a certain percentage because if it does not get it from the fats it will convert carbs or protein to fats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 What about the chapter I cited from Taubes that shows 85% of energy from fat in low-carb diets? Bill > > So basicly if you take in a higher ratio of carbs and a lower ratio of fats your body will expend a lot of calories converting carbs to fatty acids.� On the other hand if you consume very little carbs and a lot of fat your body will only convert some fat into glycerol and take the rest from your protein ketones and your muscle tissue to use as glucose and glycogen.� If you do not consume enough carbs or fat your body will take even more away from your muscle tissue.� One third of the protein you consume is dissipated in order to convert the other two thirds into muscle building, fat, or glucose.� So a high protein intake is not an effective choice.� This means not only rapid weight loss, but muscle loss too.� I've heard that you can only lose 2-2.5 pounds of fat a week.� It's more efficient to do a balanced approach of gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.� As you lower your bodyfat and increase your lean muscle tissue your bodyfat > percentage will lower at a much greater rate.� We should be focusing more on our bodyfat percentage, rather than what the scale says. > > What is the most efficient macronutrient ratio in order to have optimal balance for a sedentary individual and an active individual?� Here are a couple guidelines I have developed.� As little unnecessary calories expended as possible.� Very little muscle tissue loss as possible.� This means taking in the adequate macronutrient source and nothing more. > > Apparently if you consume more fat your body learns to utilize more of the fatty acids as energy during low intensity activities.� Therefore it is ideal to consume more fat, lower carb, on days you are not intensely active. > > There is a limit to the amount of carbs you can store at a time, and it is only possible to attain this max limit if you do activities that require more carb utilization.� That max limit is somewhere around 500g.� This depends from individual to individual, as there may be variations of glycogen storage that our genetics will permit.� Even for these people on days they aren't as physically active their body will take more from fat than carbs if you consume more fat.� It's good to train your body how to switch from different energy sources. > > The question I have is what percentage of fats and what percentage of carbs would you want during various activities?� There isn't very much information about how much dietary fat the body requires everyday.� I do know that the primary fat sources your body uses are free fatty acids, intramuscular triglycerides, and adipose tissue.� Obviously the body needs a certain percentage because if it does not get it from the fats it will convert carbs or protein to fats. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I think 85% of energy can be used as fat under lower intensity activities, but if you take in enough carbs the body may prefer carbs and so the percentage will change. Several web-sites would say that if you take in low carbs then the body will learn utilize fat as a source instead. There may be times though when after your body learns to optimally utilize fat it still needs a certain amount of carbs, and if the glycerol isn't sufficient to fill this void your protein intake and your muscle tissue will be the next to go. There were other web-sites that said somewhere between one third and one half of the calories burned during resting metabolic heartrate are carbohydrates. Resting Metabolic heartrate is like 1-2 calories a minute. From: lynchwt <lynchwt@...> Subject: Re: My current thoughts on macronutrient intake daily performance. Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 10:03 AM What about the chapter I cited from Taubes that shows 85% of energy from fat in low-carb diets? Bill --- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ ...> wrote: > > So basicly if you take in a higher ratio of carbs and a lower ratio of fats your body will expend a lot of calories converting carbs to fatty acids.� On the other hand if you consume very little carbs and a lot of fat your body will only convert some fat into glycerol and take the rest from your protein ketones and your muscle tissue to use as glucose and glycogen.� If you do not consume enough carbs or fat your body will take even more away from your muscle tissue.� One third of the protein you consume is dissipated in order to convert the other two thirds into muscle building, fat, or glucose.� So a high protein intake is not an effective choice.� This means not only rapid weight loss, but muscle loss too.� I've heard that you can only lose 2-2.5 pounds of fat a week.� It's more efficient to do a balanced approach of gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.� As you lower your bodyfat and increase your lean muscle tissue your bodyfat > percentage will lower at a much greater rate.� We should be focusing more on our bodyfat percentage, rather than what the scale says. > > What is the most efficient macronutrient ratio in order to have optimal balance for a sedentary individual and an active individual?� Here are a couple guidelines I have developed.� As little unnecessary calories expended as possible.� Very little muscle tissue loss as possible.� This means taking in the adequate macronutrient source and nothing more. > > Apparently if you consume more fat your body learns to utilize more of the fatty acids as energy during low intensity activities.� Therefore it is ideal to consume more fat, lower carb, on days you are not intensely active. > > There is a limit to the amount of carbs you can store at a time, and it is only possible to attain this max limit if you do activities that require more carb utilization.� That max limit is somewhere around 500g.� This depends from individual to individual, as there may be variations of glycogen storage that our genetics will permit.� Even for these people on days they aren't as physically active their body will take more from fat than carbs if you consume more fat.� It's good to train your body how to switch from different energy sources. > > The question I have is what percentage of fats and what percentage of carbs would you want during various activities?� There isn't very much information about how much dietary fat the body requires everyday.� I do know that the primary fat sources your body uses are free fatty acids, intramuscular triglycerides, and adipose tissue.� Obviously the body needs a certain percentage because if it does not get it from the fats it will convert carbs or protein to fats. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I would assume that diet would be for someone with diabetes or for a sedentary person that may prefer that approach. I'm a 24 year old male and I don't think that caloric ratio will support building quality muscle. I don't know about Taubes but Barry Groves will kind of igore the other facts and somewhat twist information to make his high fat diet sound like it would be ideal for all athletes and lifestyles. I don't think it would be good for a competitive martial artist, weightlifter/bodybuilder/Olympic weightlifter/powerlifter, dancer, or sprinter. Barry Groves said no mortal man can expend more than 1g of carb a minute, but I think you can expend more than 4g of carbs a minute if you go anaerobic movements. As long as you use the carbs and you are don't have diabetes/cancer you should be fine. I still doubt that high fat is optimal for even mental focus. There's other ways to prevent diabetes/cancer too. From: lynchwt <lynchwt@...> Subject: Re: My current thoughts on macronutrient intake daily performance. Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 10:03 AM What about the chapter I cited from Taubes that shows 85% of energy from fat in low-carb diets? Bill --- In , Holt <danthemanholt@ ...> wrote: > > So basicly if you take in a higher ratio of carbs and a lower ratio of fats your body will expend a lot of calories converting carbs to fatty acids.� On the other hand if you consume very little carbs and a lot of fat your body will only convert some fat into glycerol and take the rest from your protein ketones and your muscle tissue to use as glucose and glycogen.� If you do not consume enough carbs or fat your body will take even more away from your muscle tissue.� One third of the protein you consume is dissipated in order to convert the other two thirds into muscle building, fat, or glucose.� So a high protein intake is not an effective choice.� This means not only rapid weight loss, but muscle loss too.� I've heard that you can only lose 2-2.5 pounds of fat a week.� It's more efficient to do a balanced approach of gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.� As you lower your bodyfat and increase your lean muscle tissue your bodyfat > percentage will lower at a much greater rate.� We should be focusing more on our bodyfat percentage, rather than what the scale says. > > What is the most efficient macronutrient ratio in order to have optimal balance for a sedentary individual and an active individual?� Here are a couple guidelines I have developed.� As little unnecessary calories expended as possible.� Very little muscle tissue loss as possible.� This means taking in the adequate macronutrient source and nothing more. > > Apparently if you consume more fat your body learns to utilize more of the fatty acids as energy during low intensity activities.� Therefore it is ideal to consume more fat, lower carb, on days you are not intensely active. > > There is a limit to the amount of carbs you can store at a time, and it is only possible to attain this max limit if you do activities that require more carb utilization.� That max limit is somewhere around 500g.� This depends from individual to individual, as there may be variations of glycogen storage that our genetics will permit.� Even for these people on days they aren't as physically active their body will take more from fat than carbs if you consume more fat.� It's good to train your body how to switch from different energy sources. > > The question I have is what percentage of fats and what percentage of carbs would you want during various activities?� There isn't very much information about how much dietary fat the body requires everyday.� I do know that the primary fat sources your body uses are free fatty acids, intramuscular triglycerides, and adipose tissue.� Obviously the body needs a certain percentage because if it does not get it from the fats it will convert carbs or protein to fats. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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