RE: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

[Guest guest]

 I agree!  I have family and friends in Canada and friends in the UK.  National

signle payer health insurance eventually means rationed health care and limited

choices.  A very dear friend in England who is 69 and diabetic has lung cancer

and the rationing board has just denyed him treatment for the cancer.  My

brother in Canada had tarry stools (meaning blood from higher up) and had to

wait 4 month for a colonoscopy.  British Columbia's health care system is in

dire straights and is now chopping health care even more - to the tune of

denying 6,000 neurosurgeries/yr according to a recent article in the Vancouver

Sun.  The last time I was there one of the local TV stations had a feature on

overcrowding in hospitals (because of hospital closures) to the point that

patients were being placed anywhere there was  space and in at least one case

that meant the tub room.

 

I have a friend who is from Denmark and her family tells her of similar

stories.  Etc, etc, etc.  There needs to be a reasoned *bipartisan* debate and

much more time taken to think things out more thoroughly.  Pushing things

through without a thorough understand of what they are voting for and

understanding the long-term consequences.  " The road to hell is paved with good

intentions. "

 

Lynda

 

 

From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...>

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

 

> http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

boycott_whole_ foods/

Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes me want to

go in there.

Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Connie,

All I gotta say is..

=)

I shop there but try to go to a local coop more now, but this makes me want

to go there more. =) Finally a big gun is listening to the people!

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:14 PM

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141961/why_you_should_boycott_whole_f

oods/

Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes me want

to go in there.

Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Lynda,

I agree totally. I hear it is better in France but it's not a single payer

system? I need to do some research.

It also gives me the CREEPS knowing Obama, with his cabinet full of

Wallstreet & Bankeres is making deals with Big Pharma. assuring them they

will still get their cut.

And he seems to change his promises every other day! Sometimes he

contradicts himself in the same speech. He promised he would give the

legislators plenty of time to read the legislation but instead they have

this 1000+ page document and only a few days to go over it much less discuss

it, debate and make an educated decision!

I think we should have a freaking law that no legislation can be passed

until it's been read in full and debated for x number of hours. or

something. The patriot act wasn't even read before it was signed into law.

And that think is a total betrayal of the American People and the

Constitution they have all sworn to uphold.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynda Constantineau

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

I agree! I have family and friends in Canada and friends in the UK.

National signle payer health insurance eventually means rationed health care

and limited choices. A very dear friend in England who is 69 and diabetic

has lung cancer and the rationing board has just denyed him treatment for

the cancer. My brother in Canada had tarry stools (meaning blood from

higher up) and had to wait 4 month for a colonoscopy. British Columbia's

health care system is in dire straights and is now chopping health care even

more - to the tune of denying 6,000 neurosurgeries/yr according to a recent

article in the Vancouver Sun. The last time I was there one of the local TV

stations had a feature on overcrowding in hospitals (because of hospital

closures) to the point that patients were being placed anywhere there was

space and in at least one case that meant the tub room.

I have a friend who is from Denmark and her family tells her of similar

stories. Etc, etc, etc. There needs to be a reasoned *bipartisan* debate

and much more time taken to think things out more thoroughly. Pushing

things through without a thorough understand of what they are voting for and

understanding the long-term consequences. " The road to hell is paved with

good intentions. "

Lynda

From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@... <mailto:cbrown2008%40> >

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

<mailto: %40>

Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

> http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

boycott_whole_ foods/

Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes me want

to go in there.

Connie

>

[Guest guest]

I'm surprised to find us at such odds on this group, but then again I'm not. 

This debate goes back decades and the has greatly divided this country before. 

" The Nation " has a great selection of articles going back to 1928 regarding this

issue and it's available for download on their website.  I'm not sure why every

other western nation can do this and we can't.  It honestly baffles me.  You

must all have insurance.

 

This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right? 

 

Joy

From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008 (DOT) com <mailto:cbrown2008% 40> >

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

<mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com>

Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

> http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

boycott_whole_ foods/

Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes me want

to go in there.

Connie

>

[Guest guest]

yeah - as soon as I saw 'right wing libertarian' I figured that there

would be some partying here.

> >

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141961/why_you_should_boycott_whole_foods\

/

>

> Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes

> me want to go in there.

>

> Connie

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's a amazing that no horror stories about American health care could

be evoked.

There is no bipartisan debate. You people are nuts.

> I agree! I have family and friends in Canada and friends in the

> UK. National signle payer health insurance eventually means

> rationed health care and limited choices. A very dear friend in

> England who is 69 and diabetic has lung cancer and the rationing

> board has just denyed him treatment for the cancer. My brother in

> Canada had tarry stools (meaning blood from higher up) and had to

> wait 4 month for a colonoscopy. British Columbia's health care

> system is in dire straights and is now chopping health care even

> more - to the tune of denying 6,000 neurosurgeries/yr according to a

> recent article in the Vancouver Sun. The last time I was there one

> of the local TV stations had a feature on overcrowding in hospitals

> (because of hospital closures) to the point that patients were being

> placed anywhere there was space and in at least one case that meant

> the tub room.

>

> I have a friend who is from Denmark and her family tells her of

> similar stories. Etc, etc, etc. There needs to be a reasoned

> *bipartisan* debate and much more time taken to think things out

> more thoroughly. Pushing things through without a thorough

> understand of what they are voting for and understanding the long-

> term consequences. " The road to hell is paved with good intentions. "

>

> Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

> From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...>

> Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

>

>

>

> > http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

> boycott_whole_ foods/

>

> Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes

> me want to go in there.

>

> Connie

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

'The people' support single payer healthcare.

> Connie,

>

> All I gotta say is..

>

> =)

>

> I shop there but try to go to a local coop more now, but this makes

> me want

> to go there more. =) Finally a big gun is listening to the people!

>

> Dawn

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:14 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

> >

> http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141961/why_you_should_boycott_whole_f

> oods/

>

> Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes

> me want

> to go in there.

>

> Connie

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, yeah - part of the problem is that Obama is a gutless centrist

Democrat who doesn't stand for anything except Goldman Sachs and other

corporations....NOT that there might be (although it's looking more an

more unlikely) a public option.

Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to accomplish that is through

a single payer system.:

> Lynda,

>

> I agree totally. I hear it is better in France but it's not a single

> payer

> system? I need to do some research.

>

> It also gives me the CREEPS knowing Obama, with his cabinet full of

> Wallstreet & Bankeres is making deals with Big Pharma. assuring them

> they

> will still get their cut.

>

> And he seems to change his promises every other day! Sometimes he

> contradicts himself in the same speech. He promised he would give the

> legislators plenty of time to read the legislation but instead they

> have

> this 1000+ page document and only a few days to go over it much less

> discuss

> it, debate and make an educated decision!

>

> I think we should have a freaking law that no legislation can be

> passed

> until it's been read in full and debated for x number of hours. or

> something. The patriot act wasn't even read before it was signed

> into law.

> And that think is a total betrayal of the American People and the

> Constitution they have all sworn to uphold.

>

> Dawn

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynda

> Constantineau

> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:16 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

> I agree! I have family and friends in Canada and friends in the UK.

> National signle payer health insurance eventually means rationed

> health care

> and limited choices. A very dear friend in England who is 69 and

> diabetic

> has lung cancer and the rationing board has just denyed him

> treatment for

> the cancer. My brother in Canada had tarry stools (meaning blood from

> higher up) and had to wait 4 month for a colonoscopy. British

> Columbia's

> health care system is in dire straights and is now chopping health

> care even

> more - to the tune of denying 6,000 neurosurgeries/yr according to a

> recent

> article in the Vancouver Sun. The last time I was there one of the

> local TV

> stations had a feature on overcrowding in hospitals (because of

> hospital

> closures) to the point that patients were being placed anywhere

> there was

> space and in at least one case that meant the tub room.

>

> I have a friend who is from Denmark and her family tells her of

> similar

> stories. Etc, etc, etc. There needs to be a reasoned *bipartisan*

> debate

> and much more time taken to think things out more thoroughly. Pushing

> things through without a thorough understand of what they are voting

> for and

> understanding the long-term consequences. " The road to hell is paved

> with

> good intentions. "

>

> Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

> From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...

> <mailto:cbrown2008%40> >

> Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

>

> > http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

> boycott_whole_ foods/

>

> Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes

> me want

> to go in there.

>

> Connie

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's a group dedicated to wellness and health for those who can afford

it.

> I'm surprised to find us at such odds on this group, but then again

> I'm not. This debate goes back decades and the has greatly divided

> this country before. " The Nation " has a great selection of articles

> going back to 1928 regarding this issue and it's available for

> download on their website. I'm not sure why every other western

> nation can do this and we can't. It honestly baffles me. You must

> all have insurance.

>

> This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right?

>

> Joy

>

>

>

> From: cbrown2008 <cbrown2008 (DOT) com <mailto:cbrown2008%

> 40> >

> Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

>

> <mailto:native- nutrition% 40groups. com>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:13 PM

>

> > http://www.alternet .org/healthwelln ess/141961/ why_you_should_

> boycott_whole_ foods/

>

> Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes

> me want

> to go in there.

>

> Connie

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems obvious to me that if you remove the insurance companies, and have the

government pay (single payer), you are obviously addressing " usurious " costs. In

fact, this is one of the arguments of the opposition - that a public option is

" unfair " to private insurance companies, who won't be able to compete.

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

 

> Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to

> accomplish that is through

> a single payer system.:

The pursuit of health is a right. Today's " health care " is profit-generating

products and services.

Who all has profited while Americans pay more for less?

Fiddling with " who pays " without addressing usurious costs is just adding all

the uninsured to the sucker pool of those who enrich the providers.

I don't think this is too OT for the group, but I was wondering...

if we have laws about usury, making it illegal to make too much profit off

loans, why can't we have laws about health care usury?

Connie

[Guest guest]

Well said. Very few of us can afford the right foods to avoid doctors.

We just avoid them because we can't afford them either.

I'm considered a fringe person because I won't meet anyone for lunch or

go to the movies. Who can afford Alice Water's restaurant or even

Mc's?

Those around me won't listen to the truth, they still believe " They "

will fix it; meaning food and health care. No. No " They " won't.

On Aug 20, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote:

>

> It's a group dedicated to wellness and health for those who can afford

> it.

>

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Well, sure - but it does address a major part of it, and the ability to

negotiate with drug companies, etc, would bring more of it down.

In other words, I think that a strong single payer program would address enough

of the issues to be so much better than what is available now, that it would be

worth doing....there ain't going to be a revolution any time soon.

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

 

> It seems obvious to me that if you remove the insurance companies,

> and have the government pay (single payer), you are obviously

> addressing " usurious " costs.

But only the usurious costs of insurance.

There are also the usurious costs of:

- medical specialists (making $300,000 a year and up)

- hospital care. (what is their markup anyway, I wonder)

- devices and equipment (making fortunes for their purveyors)

- disposable supplies

- drugs themselves

- drug executives

- advertising for drugs

- making " foundations " to recommend drugs as the standard of care (AHA, ADA)

- manipulating research in the direction of everyone needing vaccines & drugs

- all the ways making organic food too expensive

Connie

[Guest guest]

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/22361

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

 

> I shop there but try to go to a local coop more now

Yes I switched to only small businesses quite a while ago.

I was so offended that Whole Foods wanted to make " the food shopping

experience. "

This old hippie compared the fancy buildings, lighting, luxury products with the

early-health-food-era wooden bins in primitive buildings - and decided no. I do

like the compensation policy at Whole Foods, like Costco. Whole nother area of

interest of mine (gap between haves and have nots)

Connie

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this reference, I'm going to read it right away.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 20, 2009, at 11:19 AM, cbrown2008 wrote:

> >

> My favorite article to explain why our culture is the way it is with

> insurance, is this one from Malcom Gladwell on the difference

> between actuarial insurance (which we have) and social insurance

> (which the European countries have).

>

> http://www.pnhp.org/news/2005/august/the_moralhazard_myt.php

>

> Connie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Connie

You are right but the usury laws for loans have been FAR relaxed. The

credit card companies alone are just insane. no way it should be legal. I

think loan sharks give better rates.

Health " insurance " is a product that you buy, it is not a right. Insurance

is not prepaid medical care. Insurance is what I buy for my house in case

there is a tornado that destroys it or a fire.

Health " insurance " used to be just that, insurance but now everyone is sick,

and everyone is on something even when they don't seem to need it. Heck

they are putting 2 year olds on psychiatric drugs because they are " too

active " or throw tantrums.

We need to have big pharma reigned in, we need to have the shields that

protect the vaccine manufacturers from litigation when they kill people with

their ill-tested and dangerous vaccines removed. We need to have these

corporations OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

Obama is a talking head. And he can't even keep the lines straight.

The FDA is a joke, they have a revolving door with Pharma and Agri-Business,

they give approval to dangerous and untested drugs/vaccines and then turn

around and harass and fine small family businesses, supplements and herbal

manufacturer's out of business. Is it because these people are dangerous?

No, it's because they are cutting into the profit shares of the people who

run the FDA and who pull the strings of our government.

And of course don't forget the big food companies. everything is really

owned by a handful of big corporations/banks.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

> Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to

> accomplish that is through

> a single payer system.:

The pursuit of health is a right. Today's " health care " is profit-generating

products and services.

Who all has profited while Americans pay more for less?

Fiddling with " who pays " without addressing usurious costs is just adding

all the uninsured to the sucker pool of those who enrich the providers.

I don't think this is too OT for the group, but I was wondering...

if we have laws about usury, making it illegal to make too much profit off

loans, why can't we have laws about health care usury?

Connie

[Guest guest]

So true, Dawn. What a joke, the FDA lets the big companies get away

with all sorts of stuff then come with guns loaded to shut down small

raw-milk dairies for instance. It's way out of line. It is all about

profit and protecting the interests of those who line the pockets of

our politicians.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Dawn wrote:

> The FDA is a joke, they have a revolving door with Pharma and Agri-

> Business,

> they give approval to dangerous and untested drugs/vaccines and then

> turn

> around and harass and fine small family businesses, supplements and

> herbal

> manufacturer's out of business. Is it because these people are

> dangerous?

> No, it's because they are cutting into the profit shares of the

> people who

> run the FDA and who pull the strings of our government.

>

> And of course don't forget the big food companies. everything is

> really

> owned by a handful of big corporations/banks.

>

> Dawn

>

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but there are many ways to eat healthier even when you are poor.

Doritos, Dr. Peppers and MSG laden frozen pizzas aren't cheap.

I also find that I get more nourishment for my buck, which means I need to

eat less volume of food. which means I spend less.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Parashis

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

Well said. Very few of us can afford the right foods to avoid doctors.

We just avoid them because we can't afford them either.

I'm considered a fringe person because I won't meet anyone for lunch or

go to the movies. Who can afford Alice Water's restaurant or even

Mc's?

Those around me won't listen to the truth, they still believe " They "

will fix it; meaning food and health care. No. No " They " won't.

On Aug 20, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote:

>

> It's a group dedicated to wellness and health for those who can afford

> it.

>

Parashis

artpages@... <mailto:artpages%40earthlink.net>

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

No, we sanction the usurious costs and it gets ripped out of me in taxes.

I’m currently struggling to get by, we have no insurance. I was treated like

dirt by the ER when I came in on Medicaid! When I went in later with no

insurance it was more affordable and I was treated more like a person. Why is

this? Because Medicaid has rules to get people out with as little money

involved as possible.

And then they dictated to me and tried to scare me into feeding their approved

formals and getting all the vaccinations done on my son and wellness check ups.

If our government takes over all insurance it will be a nightmare. Our

government has already proved many times how inept it is, how greedy the people

running it are and how little most of them actually care about the people. Just

look at Katrina! The local churches in Houston were doing more for people than

I saw happening from any government “agencyâ€.

It may work in Canada and UK, but then again I hear just as many stories about

how it does. People who have to prove they are almost blind in BOTH eyes before

they can get surgery that will save their vision. I hear France is different

and better but I don’t know much about that except it’s not the same kind of

system as Canada and the UK.

One Republican Congressman wrote a bill for health care that put us all under

the same program that our Congressman and Senators are under. He was talking

about it on Bill Maher’s show. Wish I could remember his name.

Ah here he is: Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA)

I don’t know anything more about him just thought his comments were

interesting.

Dawn

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Ancient Eyeball Recipe

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

It seems obvious to me that if you remove the insurance companies, and have the

government pay (single payer), you are obviously addressing " usurious " costs. In

fact, this is one of the arguments of the opposition - that a public option is

" unfair " to private insurance companies, who won't be able to compete.

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

> Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to

> accomplish that is through

> a single payer system.:

The pursuit of health is a right. Today's " health care " is profit-generating

products and services.

Who all has profited while Americans pay more for less?

Fiddling with " who pays " without addressing usurious costs is just adding all

the uninsured to the sucker pool of those who enrich the providers.

I don't think this is too OT for the group, but I was wondering...

if we have laws about usury, making it illegal to make too much profit off

loans, why can't we have laws about health care usury?

Connie

[Guest guest]

Not to mention there won't be any negotiation for lower prices on drugs.

There will be the drug companies lobbying and donating to campaigns and

buying whoever is in power to insure they don't have the prices cut.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

> Well, sure - but it does address a major part of it, and the ability to

negotiate with drug companies, etc, would bring more of it down.

Can't agree with you there. The presence of Medicare for what, 40 years now?

has not prevented medical care from practically busting out, Sopranos style,

our elders with multiple meds treatment. (you know how that works - the mob

assesses the assets of someone who is in hock to them, and finds a way to

suck up all the assets. Compare and contrast with the medical model for

" chronic conditions " ).

> ...there ain't going to be a revolution any time soon.

Now THERE we agree!

Connie

[Guest guest]

Well, right - that's all being negotiated away. What you're saying isn't an

argument for a weaker universal healthcare bill, it's an argument for a really

strong one, without the loopholes.

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

> Well, sure - but it does address a major part of it, and the ability to

negotiate with drug companies, etc, would bring more of it down.

Can't agree with you there. The presence of Medicare for what, 40 years now?

has not prevented medical care from practically busting out, Sopranos style,

our elders with multiple meds treatment. (you know how that works - the mob

assesses the assets of someone who is in hock to them, and finds a way to

suck up all the assets. Compare and contrast with the medical model for

" chronic conditions " ).

> ...there ain't going to be a revolution any time soon.

Now THERE we agree!

Connie

[Guest guest]

Just watch Fox News - that's all you need to know. Obama is a nazi, and isn't a

natural born citizen. He is working to establish death panels. The Republicans

are trying to  help you. The earth is flat.

Re: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

> Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to

> accomplish that is through

> a single payer system.:

The pursuit of health is a right. Today's " health care " is profit-generating

products and services.

Who all has profited while Americans pay more for less?

Fiddling with " who pays " without addressing usurious costs is just adding all

the uninsured to the sucker pool of those who enrich the providers.

I don't think this is too OT for the group, but I was wondering...

if we have laws about usury, making it illegal to make too much profit off

loans, why can't we have laws about health care usury?

Connie

[Guest guest]

I also don't have health insurance, can't afford and am fully against the

Obamacare plan.

Suze

> I don't have insurance and am fully against it. Oh, and i can't afford to

see a doc if i

> want to either as we are paycheck to paycheck. I did live in a foreign

country for

> several yrs with this system and i saw it did ot really work as is ebing

discussed.

> The nationals were thankful for american docs and a system that was not

bound by

> the system. Not saying the one weh ave here is perfect, but at least we

have rights

> to choose, there they do not and get what they are given period.

>

>

> >

> > It honestly baffles me.  You must all have insurance.

> >

> > This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right?

[Guest guest]

And the amusing thing about this 'argument' is that the point is made

that as things stand now, we have the right to 'choose', and the Obama

'plan' would not take that away.

> I also don't have health insurance, can't afford and am fully

> against the

> Obamacare plan.

>

> Suze

>

> > I don't have insurance and am fully against it. Oh, and i can't

> afford to

> see a doc if i

> > want to either as we are paycheck to paycheck. I did live in a

> foreign

> country for

> > several yrs with this system and i saw it did ot really work as is

> ebing

> discussed.

> > The nationals were thankful for american docs and a system that

> was not

> bound by

> > the system. Not saying the one weh ave here is perfect, but at

> least we

> have rights

> > to choose, there they do not and get what they are given period.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > It honestly baffles me. You must all have insurance.

> > >

> > > This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why are you quoting me? I didn't make an argument. If you were referring to

the person I was responding to, you should respond to *their* email, not

mine.

Suze

> And the amusing thing about this 'argument' is that the point is made

> that as things stand now, we have the right to 'choose', and the Obama

> 'plan' would not take that away.

>

>

> > I also don't have health insurance, can't afford and am fully

> > against the

> > Obamacare plan.

> >

> > Suze

> >

> > > I don't have insurance and am fully against it. Oh, and i can't

> > afford to

> > see a doc if i

> > > want to either as we are paycheck to paycheck. I did live in a

> > foreign

> > country for

> > > several yrs with this system and i saw it did ot really work as is

> > ebing

> > discussed.

> > > The nationals were thankful for american docs and a system that

> > was not

> > bound by

> > > the system. Not saying the one weh ave here is perfect, but at

> > least we

> > have rights

> > > to choose, there they do not and get what they are given period.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > It honestly baffles me. You must all have insurance.

> > > >

> > > > This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok - I made the assumption that since you were agreeing, that you

agreed with the argument. If you don't, then I apologize.

> Why are you quoting me? I didn't make an argument. If you were

> referring to

> the person I was responding to, you should respond to *their* email,

> not

> mine.

>

> Suze

>

> > And the amusing thing about this 'argument' is that the point is

> made

> > that as things stand now, we have the right to 'choose', and the

> Obama

> > 'plan' would not take that away.

> >

> >

> > > I also don't have health insurance, can't afford and am fully

> > > against the

> > > Obamacare plan.

> > >

> > > Suze

> > >

> > > > I don't have insurance and am fully against it. Oh, and i can't

> > > afford to

> > > see a doc if i

> > > > want to either as we are paycheck to paycheck. I did live in a

> > > foreign

> > > country for

> > > > several yrs with this system and i saw it did ot really work

> as is

> > > ebing

> > > discussed.

> > > > The nationals were thankful for american docs and a system that

> > > was not

> > > bound by

> > > > the system. Not saying the one weh ave here is perfect, but at

> > > least we

> > > have rights

> > > > to choose, there they do not and get what they are given period.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It honestly baffles me. You must all have insurance.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >