RE: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

[Guest guest]

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http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141961/why_you_should_boycott_whole_foods\

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Are you serious? This kerfuffle is one of the few things that makes me want to

go in there.

Connie

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[Guest guest]

So you don't like his stance against the so called health care bill?

I personally do not think this bill is a good idea at all. I want the same

insurance the senators get, and their retirement plan too. if we're going to

do some kind of government run health care.

Instead, I think we need to look at controlling health care costs and

getting that under control and Ron has some good ideas about it.

Generally Whole Foods has done a lot of good I think, getting the ideas of

grass fed meats and more traditional foods out there so people are exposed

to them. I knew I could count on that store to have many of the products I

needed for my son's infant formula recipe from NT when I lost my breast

milk.

Thanks for the link though.

Dawn

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Subject: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!

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[Guest guest]

> Healthcare is a RIGHT, and the only way to

> accomplish that is through

> a single payer system.:

The pursuit of health is a right. Today's " health care " is profit-generating

products and services.

Who all has profited while Americans pay more for less?

Fiddling with " who pays " without addressing usurious costs is just adding all

the uninsured to the sucker pool of those who enrich the providers.

I don't think this is too OT for the group, but I was wondering...

if we have laws about usury, making it illegal to make too much profit off

loans, why can't we have laws about health care usury?

Connie

[Guest guest]

> You must all have insurance.

> This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right? 

> Joy

(sigh). Insurance does not equal wellness and health.

I would personally be glad to be in a pool of all society to pay for regular

checkups and acute catastrophic incidents. However, I think making all of us

pay for unbridled health care treatment is nuts. 50% of health care goes to

heart and diabetes care, and we in this group know that the AHA and ADA

recommendations lead to consumption of health care, not to health.

My favorite article to explain why our culture is the way it is with insurance,

is this one from Malcom Gladwell on the difference between actuarial insurance

(which we have) and social insurance (which the European countries have).

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2005/august/the_moralhazard_myt.php

Connie

[Guest guest]

> It seems obvious to me that if you remove the insurance companies,

> and have the government pay (single payer), you are obviously

> addressing " usurious " costs.

But only the usurious costs of insurance.

There are also the usurious costs of:

- medical specialists (making $300,000 a year and up)

- hospital care. (what is their markup anyway, I wonder)

- devices and equipment (making fortunes for their purveyors)

- disposable supplies

- drugs themselves

- drug executives

- advertising for drugs

- making " foundations " to recommend drugs as the standard of care (AHA, ADA)

- manipulating research in the direction of everyone needing vaccines & drugs

- all the ways making organic food too expensive

Connie

[Guest guest]

> I shop there but try to go to a local coop more now

Yes I switched to only small businesses quite a while ago.

I was so offended that Whole Foods wanted to make " the food shopping

experience. "

This old hippie compared the fancy buildings, lighting, luxury products with the

early-health-food-era wooden bins in primitive buildings - and decided no. I do

like the compensation policy at Whole Foods, like Costco. Whole nother area of

interest of mine (gap between haves and have nots)

Connie

[Guest guest]

> Well, sure - but it does address a major part of it, and the ability to

negotiate with drug companies, etc, would bring more of it down.

Can't agree with you there. The presence of Medicare for what, 40 years now?

has not prevented medical care from practically busting out, Sopranos style, our

elders with multiple meds treatment. (you know how that works - the mob assesses

the assets of someone who is in hock to them, and finds a way to suck up all the

assets. Compare and contrast with the medical model for " chronic conditions " ).

> ...there ain't going to be a revolution any time soon.

Now THERE we agree!

Connie

[Guest guest]

I don't have insurance and am fully against it. Oh, and i can't afford to see a

doc if i want to either as we are paycheck to paycheck. I did live in a foreign

country for several yrs with this system and i saw it did ot really work as is

ebing discussed. The nationals were thankful for american docs and a system

that was not bound by the system. Not saying the one weh ave here is perfect,

but at least we have rights to choose, there they do not and get what they are

given period.

--- In , Joy Fogelsanger <kermitandfozzie@...>

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> It honestly baffles me.  You must all have insurance.

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> This is a group dedicated to wellness and health, right? 

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