Disease Care (was: Please Boycott Whole Foods!!!)

August 22, 2009

> I do think that some of the opinions and arguments expressed here

> against any government involvement in healthcare sound like they are

> coming right out of Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, etc - it's amusing to

> me to watch people who are so agitated by food propaganda, so ready to

> accept propaganda by the extreme right on issues like this.

I used to be myopically focused on food freedom issues and didn't realize

that the corporate-controlled media (both left- and right-leaning as well as

centrist) is loaded with false or misleading propaganda on a wide variety of

issues, not just food and health.

I'm a former lefty who has exited the false left-right paradigm, so what

amuses (and saddens) me is the quibbles between leftwing and rightwing folks

who are unaware that the oligarchs who control our politicians are laughing

all the way to the bank while leaving us little people here to squabble over

yet another government plan which the oligarchs will ultimately be the

beneficiaries of while they hang us upside down to shake out the last few

coins left in our pocket.

The affordability of disease-care insurance would be a nearly moot issue of

those very same oligarchs were not running the Fed and had not used their

substantial power to manipulate the US dollar to the point that it's now

only worth about 95% of it's value prior to the inception of the (privately

owned) Fed. Prior to that, it had actually *gained* value for a period. If

the money we had today could buy 20x as much, disease-care insurance would

be affordable for a hell of lot more people.

Of course, our dollars are going to be worth even less in the not too

distant future because that $700 billion theft, I mean, " bailout " has now

turned into over $23.7 TRILLION. And the Fed won't even let us know what

they're spending most of it on.....

That's probably one of the biggest news stories of the century...but do you

see *that* on the front page of any rightwing or leftwing newspaper or

website?

Suze

August 22, 2009

On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Suze Fisher wrote:

> > I do think that some of the opinions and arguments expressed here

> > against any government involvement in healthcare sound like they are

> > coming right out of Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, etc - it's amusing

> to

> > me to watch people who are so agitated by food propaganda, so

> ready to

> > accept propaganda by the extreme right on issues like this.

>

> I used to be myopically focused on food freedom issues and didn't

> realize

> that the corporate-controlled media (both left- and right-leaning as

> well as

> centrist) is loaded with false or misleading propaganda on a wide

> variety of

> issues, not just food and health.

>

Well, yes. True. Some is loaded with more propaganda than others. I

think that Fox News has far more " false or misleading propaganda " than

say Maddow, or Jon .

>

> I'm a former lefty who has exited the false left-right paradigm, so

> what

> amuses (and saddens) me is the quibbles between leftwing and

> rightwing folks

> who are unaware that the oligarchs who control our politicians are

> laughing

> all the way to the bank while leaving us little people here to

> squabble over

> yet another government plan which the oligarchs will ultimately be the

> beneficiaries of while they hang us upside down to shake out the

> last few

> coins left in our pocket.

>

A bit confused by this because the implication is that there are

corporate controlled leftists in Congress. There are perhaps a handful

of people in Congress that could be considered leftists, some more

that might be considered liberal - but liberalism is basically just

another strategy for solidifying corporate control.

Like any oversimplification - some of the time, the left/right

'paradigm' is useless, but some of the time it's useful. It's

certainly useful as a communicative tool - if I use the phrase 'right

wing talk show hosts', we know what I'm talking about.

> The affordability of disease-care insurance would be a nearly moot

> issue of

> those very same oligarchs were not running the Fed and had not used

> their

> substantial power to manipulate the US dollar to the point that it's

> now

> only worth about 95% of it's value prior to the inception of the

> (privately

> owned) Fed. Prior to that, it had actually *gained* value for a

> period. If

> the money we had today could buy 20x as much, disease-care insurance

> would

> be affordable for a hell of lot more people.

>

> Of course, our dollars are going to be worth even less in the not too

> distant future because that $700 billion theft, I mean, " bailout "

> has now

> turned into over $23.7 TRILLION. And the Fed won't even let us know

> what

> they're spending most of it on.....

> That's probably one of the biggest news stories of the century...but

> do you

> see *that* on the front page of any rightwing or leftwing newspaper or

> website?

>

I see stuff challenging the system in fundamental ways in truly

leftwing/progressive sources. Certainly znet.org, or counterpunch, and

plenty of others challenge basic capitalistic assumptions (obviously

to varying degrees depending on the authors). The Realnews network is

pretty good - and it is viewer supported.

But I don't think that there are corporate funded leftist sites or

newspapers - that would be enough to make me suspicious of them

immediately.

>

> Suze

>

August 23, 2009

Suze,

I agree completely! And the blank check we wrote these crooks. I mean

bankers is just insane! Anyone who thinks Obama is more than a talking

head, for this oligarchy. and that he or any of them care about our health

is truly fooling themselves.

Obama's already been in talks with drug companies assuring them he won't be

hurting their profit margin!! How dare he!! This is " mainstream " news too.

Talk about a fox running the hen house. That's like me hiring and advocate

to negotiate for my car purchase and instead of trying to get me the best

deal he assures his buddies at the dealership that he's got me under

control, they will be getting a nice fat check.

Dawn

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