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Gordon, I also have high chloresterol and its always high no matter what I

eat.. I posted about this on another group and someone replied to me with

this -

Cellular receptors in the liver and other places are responsible for

removing and recycling cholesterol. These LDL receptors are deficient or

even absent in some people. In this genetic abnormality, the body cannot

produce the homeostasis necessary for keeping cholesterol at normal levels.

It is called familial hypercholesterolemia. You need to consult your doc,

and perhaps a good nutritionist, to see if this might be the problem for

you.

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Message: 25

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:22:31 +1000

From: " Gordon Eliott " <geliott@...>

Subject: cholesterol levels

I do not know where the discussion is going on PA and low cholesterol

levels, but I am the reverse. I have PA and high cholesterol levels, to the

extent that I take 20mg daily of the cholesterol lowering drug Pravachol. I

follow a low fat diet, and Meals on Wheels which provides most of my meals

cooks only low fat meals.

Regards, Gordon

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Hi

Search old posts 'cholesterol.'

This is subject matter that comes up all the time. Should be lots of

info there.

Sally

> I started taking extra virgin coconut oil about 7 weeks ago. At the

> time, my cholesterol level was a 200. However, I went to the

doctors

> this week and had them re-check my cholesterol level. It had gone

up

> to 218. My doctor said that the coconut oil was not good and that

it

> would raise the level. Is this true that it creates more harm than

> good? Will the cholesterol level lower over time or should I stop

> taking it?

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

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YOu should read Dr. Fife's books where he will tell you that the Total

Cholesterol is not as important as the Ratio of HDL to LDL. Did you get those

readings?

Bonnie

Cholesterol Levels

I started taking extra virgin coconut oil about 7 weeks ago. At the

time, my cholesterol level was a 200. However, I went to the doctors

this week and had them re-check my cholesterol level. It had gone up

to 218. My doctor said that the coconut oil was not good and that it

would raise the level. Is this true that it creates more harm than

good? Will the cholesterol level lower over time or should I stop

taking it?

Thanks for your help.

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There has been much on this forum on the subject, but here is a recent

article in the ls of Internal Medicine:

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/145/7/520

This is Dr. Mercola's summary of this article:

http://www.mercola.com/2006/nov/4/finally-science-starts-to-challenge-lower-

cholesterol-craziness.htm

Finally, Science Starts to Challenge Lower Cholesterol Craziness

A new review paper has raised doubts about the cholesterol-lowering

recommendations made two years ago by the U.S. government's National

Cholesterol Education Program panel.

The panel advised those at risk for heart disease to attempt to reduce their

LDL cholesterol to specific, very low, levels.

The new paper argues that there is insufficient evidence to support the

target numbers outlined by the panel, challenging the mainstream medical

belief that lower cholesterol levels are always better.

Before 2004, a 130-milligram LDL cholesterol level was considered healthy.

The updated guidelines, however, recommended levels of less than 100, or

even less than 70 for patients at very high risk. These targets often

require multiple cholesterol-lowering drugs.

The authors of the new review of studies stated that they were unable to

find research that provided evidence that achieving a specific LDL target

level was important in and of itself, and that the studies attempting to do

so suffered from major flaws.

Several of the scientists who helped develop the guidelines admitted that

the scientific evidence supporting the less-than-70 recommendation was not

very strong.

Cholesterol Levels

I started taking extra virgin coconut oil about 7 weeks ago. At the

time, my cholesterol level was a 200. However, I went to the doctors

this week and had them re-check my cholesterol level. It had gone up

to 218. My doctor said that the coconut oil was not good and that it

would raise the level. Is this true that it creates more harm than

good? Will the cholesterol level lower over time or should I stop

taking it?

Thanks for your help.

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>

> Hi Bee and all,

>

> Got my blood work today

>

> Good Cholesterol is 240

>

> Bad is 152

>

> They want to give me Simvastin

>

> My Triglycerides is 174

>

> What do you advise?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Lola

>

Hi Lola

My advice? It has been a few days since I vented on doctors. Never go back to

the doctor again! Your bloods work is to flow through your body and nourish it.

Buy and eat the good stuff and get ready for excellent health. Call and cancel

your next appointment.

Neal

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>

> Hi Bee and all,

>

> Got my blood work today

>

> Good Cholesterol is 240

>

> Bad is 152

>

> They want to give me Simvastin

>

> My Triglycerides is 174

>

> What do you advise?

>

> Thank you, Lola

+++Hi Lola. It is obvious by your high triglycerides that you are not on my

program.

Cholesterol is a no-issue when it comes to health and you defintely should not

be taking any kind of drugs. All drugs are poisons.

I advise you to do this program.

Bee

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Yes I am guilty, I eat ice cream...I need to stop. I threw all nuts out too,

Is it ok to snack on meat? Can I have too much?

I need snacks.

Lola

> >

> > Hi Bee and all,

> >

> > Got my blood work today

> >

> > Good Cholesterol is 240

> >

> > Bad is 152

> >

> > They want to give me Simvastin

> >

> > My Triglycerides is 174

> >

> > What do you advise?

> >

> > Thank you, Lola

>

> +++Hi Lola. It is obvious by your high triglycerides that you are not on my

program.

>

> Cholesterol is a no-issue when it comes to health and you defintely should not

be taking any kind of drugs. All drugs are poisons.

>

> I advise you to do this program.

>

> Bee

>

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>

> Yes I am guilty, I eat ice cream...I need to stop. I threw all nuts out too,

>

> Is it ok to snack on meat? Can I have too much?

> I need snacks.

+++Hi Lola. You need to eat the amount of protein, fats and carbs according to

your food ratios - see this:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods8.php

Ensure you are taking unrefined coconut oil and all of the supplements too,

since all of the nutrients work together.

Your goal should be to " build up your immune system " with proper nutrients (this

diet plus all supplements), so it becomes strong enough to " make " candida

" change back " into the nice friendly organism it is supposed to be.

I don't advise snacking between meals, but if you must you can have some protein

- eggs are excellent since they digest easily.

All the best, Bee

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>

> Hello Bee

>

> I have been following your diet now for two months. I recently had

cholesterol levels checked and the results are as follows!

> lipid appearance - clear

> *cholesterol 11.8 mmol/L (normal is 2 - 5.2);

> triglycerides 0.5 (normal is <2.3);

> HDL 3,1 (normal is > 1.1);

> *LDL 8.5 ( normal 1.5-3.4);

>

> chol HDL ratio is 3.81 (normal <4.4)

>

> I am not surprised by these results - some high levels were expected. Nor am

I overly concerned. However naturally the doctor wants to see me about them and

they have insisted that I book an appointment next week.

+++Hi Gwen. During detoxification cholesterol levels will go up, but they will

also go down afterward.

>

> I would appreciate your comments about my levels. I would also appreciate

knowing how to respond to my doctor's concerns!!! :)

+++Doctor's should know that detoxing causes higher cholesterol readings, but

most won't acknowledge it as a cause. I suggest you avoid seeing the doctor,

and make up any excuse to not set up that appointment.

>

> Incidentally, my nails are growing faster and stronger, flaky skin on my legs

is clearing up, and although I still struggle with psoriasis and rosacea , my

skin seems softer. I still can't handle any carbs without itching etc so am on

a fat, meat, and egg diet for now. I am 5'3 " and I weigh around 115 lb. so am

certainly not overweight.

+++Good for you Gwen. You are making some progress.

All the best, Bee

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Hi Gwen,

I went through the same thing with my 4 year old son's pediatrician. She has

been so concerned about his cholesterol. I'm not.

What I did was told her that ( " as she knows " ) when the body is healing,

cholesterol naturally goes up and that I fully expect it to lower in the next

year or so (I told her such a long time so she wouldn't pester me to have his

blood tested every month).

I explained that there is literature to support it, if this is something she

isn't already familiar with. Uffe Ravnskov's book (Cholesterol Myths) and

Taube's book (Good Calories, Bad Calories) are good references.

Just go in with confidence. What I like to do is talk to them as though I

assume that they already know this information. I do this because it puts them

on edge, making them look stupid if they have to admit that they don't already

know what I am talking about. Once the doctor realizes they can't shake you,

they are likely to stop pestering you!

Good luck with it!

>

> Hello Bee

<snip>

>

> I am not surprised by these results - some high levels were expected. Nor am

I overly concerned. However naturally the doctor wants to see me about them and

they have insisted that I book an appointment next week.

>

<snip>

>

> Thanks so much.

> Gwen

>

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Thanks for your advice regarding doctor visits, !!

I will avoid going to the doctor for now if possible. I will 'arm' myself by

doing some reading so I have more confidence. I must locate those books next!

This diet is the best for dealing with my health issues but I don't think the

doctor would understand that.

Gwen

>

> Hi Gwen,

>

> I went through the same thing with my 4 year old son's pediatrician. She has

been so concerned about his cholesterol. I'm not.

>

> What I did was told her that ( " as she knows " ) when the body is healing,

cholesterol naturally goes up and that I fully expect it to lower in the next

year or so (I told her such a long time so she wouldn't pester me to have his

blood tested every month).

>

> I explained that there is literature to support it, if this is something she

isn't already familiar with. Uffe Ravnskov's book (Cholesterol Myths) and

Taube's book (Good Calories, Bad Calories) are good references.

>

> Just go in with confidence. What I like to do is talk to them as though I

assume that they already know this information. I do this because it puts them

on edge, making them look stupid if they have to admit that they don't already

know what I am talking about. Once the doctor realizes they can't shake you,

they are likely to stop pestering you!

>

> Good luck with it!

>

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Thank you, Bee

I will postpone that visit as long as possible! I will also do some research on

the connection

between cholesterol levels and detoxing.

Gwen

> +++Doctor's should know that detoxing causes higher cholesterol readings, but

most won't acknowledge it as a cause. I suggest you avoid seeing the doctor,

and make up any excuse to not set up that appointment.

> All the best, Bee

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>

> Thanks for your advice regarding doctor visits, !!

> I will avoid going to the doctor for now if possible. I will 'arm' myself by

doing some reading so I have more confidence. I must locate those books next!

Hi Gwen. You can buy both books at Amazon.com, and if you can go through my

website I can get the credit. I haven't linked the Good Calories, Bad Calories

book yet, but my sister bought it at Amazon.

Here's the link: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/resource/amazonbkus.php

All the best, Bee

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I just had a physical and was informed in a letter that my " total cholesterol is

high " and to reduce it. I had to request that my actual lab results be sent,

which I suspected would show low triglycerides and high HDL (I was right). I've

been on a WAPF diet for almost two years now and for a few months I've been

keeping my carbs somewhat low (probably varies from 50-150 grams depending on

the day).

I had my levels taken two years ago, while I was still a vegan. My total

cholesterol has gone up from 157 to 263 mg/dl, with my LDL up from 93 to 173. I

realize from reading Taubes and low-carb blogs that this probably means I've got

bigger, fluffier LDL particles, so this might be better rather than worse. Does

anyone have any insight into this? If I use the so-called Iranian formula

discussed on Dr. Eades' blog for calculating LDL levels for those with

triglycerides lower than 100, it comes out as 125, just under the normal level

they like you to have. Also, I still have low blood pressure.

My triglycerides and HDL, which were already excellent when I was a vegan, are

even better. Triglycerides down from 55 to 34 and HDL up from 53 to 83. As I

recall, Taubes argues that these are more significant indicators than LDL or

total cholesterol. Of course, my allergies are gone, I feel better, have more

energy, quit caffeine, and my neutrophils and overall white blood cell count

have returned to normal levels (they were abnormally low as a vegan, though we

don't know why or whether it mattered). So I'm not going to stop, but I am

wondering if there is anything to worry about at all and how to talk down my

doctor from trying to get me to eat lowfat or put me on statins.

Bill

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Daphne,

Makes sense. I guess I was a little surprised that my LDL/cholesterol changed

very much at all since diet is actually not supposed to make that much

difference anyway, right? Perhaps my vegan levels were artificially low compared

to what my normal levels would tend to be. At 157, they were close to that range

where violent deaths kick in. Any lower and I probably would have went on a

killing spree... (joke).

Bill

> >

> > > I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian

> > > everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is

> > > too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> >

> At the Wise Traditions conference in VA there were several

> cardiologist speakers (which tells you right there, who's taking NT

> seriously). I missed Dr. Langsjoen's talk (simultaneous with other

> talks) but have his card, he's an MD and the card says 'cardiovascular

> diseases'. 3 people who went to his talk told me he said there is no

> 'correct' cholesterol level, and measuring cholesterol is not even

> worthwhile. This indiciates to me that cholesterol is a matter of

> biochemical individuality -- that is, the cholesterol level varies

> greatly by individual. I realize that's not much comfort to your

> loved ones, and insurance companies. (At least being a woman I can

> point to Ravnskov's chart showing high cholesterol correllates with

> longer life in women and elderly. When you're elderly -- you can do

> that too. Of course I still get billed higher on my life insurance

> for having 'slightly elevated' cholesterol (they wouldn't even tell me

> what it is, I'd have to see my dr. which is a waste of money).

>

> Maybe check out the book " Biochemical Individuality " by the late

> , who lived to 92 and was actually respected by the medical

> establishment. I have it, but have only skimmed it. What I gleaned is,

> he has lots of evidence to support his theory, that levels of many

> compounds in us vary greatly by each individual. By the way I was

> reading another book by called " Nutrition Against Disease "

> and *he* made the point that cholesterol does not cause heart disease

> -- this was in the 1970's.

>

> daphne b.

>

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From my reading, your interpretation is correct: HDL to LDL and

triglyceride levels are more important than total cholesterol, and

fluffier LDL may be even more important. Also, heart attack victims

are as likely to have low cholesterol as high, and most people with

high cholesterol don't have heart attacks. Do you smoke? Drink to

excess? Are angry all the time in a high-stress job? (I'm guessing no,

no and no.) I'm not a medical professional but in my informed

layperson's opinion you are probably doing quite well if you've been

on WAPF diet for 2 years. Try educating your doctor. Hah! Good luck.

I'm thinking of taking advantage of a local screening coming up next

month just to see where my cholesterol is now as I used to be way too

low, and I'm hoping my total cholesterol has gone up. My HDL to LDL,

triglycerides were always great but 20 years ago my total cholesterol

was in the 140s, as low as 137 at one point. Not good. Last time I

checked, about 2 years ago, it was about 150 I think.

Don't let anybody put you on statins!

Jeanmarie

On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Bill wrote:

> I just had a physical and was informed in a letter that my " total

> cholesterol is high " and to reduce it. I had to request that my

> actual lab results be sent, which I suspected would show low

> triglycerides and high HDL (I was right). I've been on a WAPF diet

> for almost two years now and for a few months I've been keeping my

> carbs somewhat low (probably varies from 50-150 grams depending on

> the day).

>

> I had my levels taken two years ago, while I was still a vegan. My

> total cholesterol has gone up from 157 to 263 mg/dl, with my LDL up

> from 93 to 173. I realize from reading Taubes and low-carb blogs

> that this probably means I've got bigger, fluffier LDL particles, so

> this might be better rather than worse. Does anyone have any insight

> into this? If I use the so-called Iranian formula discussed on Dr.

> Eades' blog for calculating LDL levels for those with triglycerides

> lower than 100, it comes out as 125, just under the normal level

> they like you to have. Also, I still have low blood pressure.

>

> My triglycerides and HDL, which were already excellent when I was a

> vegan, are even better. Triglycerides down from 55 to 34 and HDL up

> from 53 to 83. As I recall, Taubes argues that these are more

> significant indicators than LDL or total cholesterol. Of course, my

> allergies are gone, I feel better, have more energy, quit caffeine,

> and my neutrophils and overall white blood cell count have returned

> to normal levels (they were abnormally low as a vegan, though we

> don't know why or whether it mattered). So I'm not going to stop,

> but I am wondering if there is anything to worry about at all and

> how to talk down my doctor from trying to get me to eat lowfat or

> put me on statins.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

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