Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Well, there are risks associated with any activity-- healthy or no. Anything CAN be unhealthy. Eating is healthy, but we risk choking, asphyxiation, or, say, botulism poisoning at least three times a day every day by engaging in it. Exercise is healthy, but of course you could get hit by a bus while running, have a random heart attack, sprain something, twist something, etc. Hell, sleeping is dangerous-- being unconscious for eight hours leaves you open to tons of risk. You could be snoozing away and a tree could fall on your house or a spider could crawl up and bite you. Sex is, like ANY activity we engage in, risky. Life is risky, but sex is one of those necessary and healthy human activities which (depending on your proclivities and assumed level of risk like any other activity) can be immensely good for you and gratifying. The risk in no way negates the benefit, it's just up to you to decide how to manage the risks (of anything) while still enjoying the benefits. From: lana.m.gibbons@... Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700 Subject: Sex, unhealthy? Men - decreases Zinc due to seminal fluid being rich in it. Women - changes PH which can result in infection, if a condom is used there are toxins introduces (spermicide, lubricant, etc), sex can also cause bacteria to be forced up the urethra. Of course there's all the STDs out there to add to the list... And that's just the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more reasons why sex can be unhealthy. -Lana On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just stumps me. > > Dan Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 It all comes down to the context of what your goals are and what you current condition in life is. Only stupid people choke. Chew your food thoroughly and spit out the bones and cartilage, who cares what other people think. Or use that as an excuse to sue the company. For the sake of acquiring Krishna Chaitanya sex may have it's drawbacks. Sex is a primal instinct and may interfere with a human's healing capabilities. On the other hand it can be healthful too because it raises one's self esteem when they " did her " . You could be conscious of where you plant that tree and of the weather conditions in your area. Taken care of. Be conscious of that car while you are running and don't run into it. From: Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...> Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? " Native Nutrition " < > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:57 PM Well, there are risks associated with any activity-- healthy or no. Anything CAN be unhealthy. Eating is healthy, but we risk choking, asphyxiation, or, say, botulism poisoning at least three times a day every day by engaging in it. Exercise is healthy, but of course you could get hit by a bus while running, have a random heart attack, sprain something, twist something, etc. Hell, sleeping is dangerous-- being unconscious for eight hours leaves you open to tons of risk. You could be snoozing away and a tree could fall on your house or a spider could crawl up and bite you. Sex is, like ANY activity we engage in, risky. Life is risky, but sex is one of those necessary and healthy human activities which (depending on your proclivities and assumed level of risk like any other activity) can be immensely good for you and gratifying. The risk in no way negates the benefit, it's just up to you to decide how to manage the risks (of anything) while still enjoying the benefits. From: lana.m.gibbons@... Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700 Subject: Sex, unhealthy?            Men - decreases Zinc due to seminal fluid being rich in it. Women - changes PH which can result in infection, if a condom is used there are toxins introduces (spermicide, lubricant, etc), sex can also cause bacteria to be forced up the urethra. Of course there's all the STDs out there to add to the list... And that's just the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more reasons why sex can be unhealthy. -Lana On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just stumps me. > > Dan Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sex I more than just a power game. Maybe for some that’s all it gets to is “I did her†but for couples that love one another it is a ultimate consummation of that love and a sharing of life energy. I can understand in some healing needs reserving one’s energy to heal may be important but that has to be individual as anything. I often felt better when really ill having some relaxed relations. It gets energy moving, blood circulating and endorphins released. And as far as self esteem it can be bad for it as well if one already suffers from low self esteem or emotional disorders and uses sex as a prop or a way to feel closer to someone and then it doesn’t work. Too many variables to say it’s good or bad, just like I imagine eating pork to be. Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Holt Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? It all comes down to the context of what your goals are and what you current condition in life is. Only stupid people choke. Chew your food thoroughly and spit out the bones and cartilage, who cares what other people think. Or use that as an excuse to sue the company. For the sake of acquiring Krishna Chaitanya sex may have it's drawbacks. Sex is a primal instinct and may interfere with a human's healing capabilities. On the other hand it can be healthful too because it raises one's self esteem when they " did her " . You could be conscious of where you plant that tree and of the weather conditions in your area. Taken care of. Be conscious of that car while you are running and don't run into it. From: Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@... <mailto:amysikesdorman%40hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? " Native Nutrition " < <mailto: %40> > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:57 PM Well, there are risks associated with any activity-- healthy or no. Anything CAN be unhealthy. Eating is healthy, but we risk choking, asphyxiation, or, say, botulism poisoning at least three times a day every day by engaging in it. Exercise is healthy, but of course you could get hit by a bus while running, have a random heart attack, sprain something, twist something, etc. Hell, sleeping is dangerous-- being unconscious for eight hours leaves you open to tons of risk. You could be snoozing away and a tree could fall on your house or a spider could crawl up and bite you. Sex is, like ANY activity we engage in, risky. Life is risky, but sex is one of those necessary and healthy human activities which (depending on your proclivities and assumed level of risk like any other activity) can be immensely good for you and gratifying. The risk in no way negates the benefit, it's just up to you to decide how to manage the risks (of anything) while still enjoying the benefits. <mailto: %40> From: lana.m.gibbons@... <mailto:lana.m.gibbons%40gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700 Subject: Sex, unhealthy? Men - decreases Zinc due to seminal fluid being rich in it. Women - changes PH which can result in infection, if a condom is used there are toxins introduces (spermicide, lubricant, etc), sex can also cause bacteria to be forced up the urethra. Of course there's all the STDs out there to add to the list... And that's just the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more reasons why sex can be unhealthy. -Lana On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Holt <danthemanholt@... <mailto:danthemanholt%40> >wrote: > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just stumps me. > > Dan Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Plus you have to shower, shave, change the sheets, all that. I mean, why bother? ;-) Jeanmarie On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > Men - decreases Zinc due to seminal fluid being rich in it. > > Women - changes PH which can result in infection, if a condom is > used there > are toxins introduces (spermicide, lubricant, etc), sex can also cause > bacteria to be forced up the urethra. > > Of course there's all the STDs out there to add to the list... > > And that's just the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more > reasons > why sex can be unhealthy. > > -Lana > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Holt > <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > > > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just > stumps me. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 LMAO! -Lana On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote: > Plus you have to shower, shave, change the sheets, all that. I mean, > why bother? > ;-) > Jeanmarie > > On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > > > Men - decreases Zinc due to seminal fluid being rich in it. > > > > Women - changes PH which can result in infection, if a condom is > > used there > > are toxins introduces (spermicide, lubricant, etc), sex can also cause > > bacteria to be forced up the urethra. > > > > Of course there's all the STDs out there to add to the list... > > > > And that's just the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more > > reasons > > why sex can be unhealthy. > > > > -Lana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Oh, I totally agree - I was just pointing out those reasons because Dan said he couldn't find ANY reasons why it might be considered unhealthy. Although, " necessary " to me pertains to procreation which I believe should be limited to every 3 years... Good for you and gratifying, sure - but anything can be overdone. Ahh, moderation. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Amy Sikes-Dorman < amysikesdorman@...> wrote: > > Well, there are risks associated with any activity-- healthy or no. > Anything CAN be unhealthy. > > Eating is healthy, but we risk choking, asphyxiation, or, say, botulism > poisoning at least three times a day every day by engaging in it. Exercise > is healthy, but of course you could get hit by a bus while running, have a > random heart attack, sprain something, twist something, etc. Hell, sleeping > is dangerous-- being unconscious for eight hours leaves you open to tons of > risk. You could be snoozing away and a tree could fall on your house or a > spider could crawl up and bite you. > > Sex is, like ANY activity we engage in, risky. Life is risky, but sex is > one of those necessary and healthy human activities which (depending on your > proclivities and assumed level of risk like any other activity) can be > immensely good for you and gratifying. The risk in no way negates the > benefit, it's just up to you to decide how to manage the risks (of anything) > while still enjoying the benefits. > > > From: lana.m.gibbons@... > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700 > Subject: Sex, unhealthy? > > > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just stumps me. > > > > > > Dan Holt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around the age of 18-21? > > Well, there are risks associated with any activity-- healthy or no. > Anything CAN be unhealthy. > > Eating is healthy, but we risk choking, asphyxiation, or, say, botulism > poisoning at least three times a day every day by engaging in it. Exercise > is healthy, but of course you could get hit by a bus while running, have a > random heart attack, sprain something, twist something, etc. Hell, sleeping > is dangerous-- being unconscious for eight hours leaves you open to tons of > risk. You could be snoozing away and a tree could fall on your house or a > spider could crawl up and bite you. > > Sex is, like ANY activity we engage in, risky. Life is risky, but sex is > one of those necessary and healthy human activities which (depending on your > proclivities and assumed level of risk like any other activity) can be > immensely good for you and gratifying. The risk in no way negates the > benefit, it's just up to you to decide how to manage the risks (of anything) > while still enjoying the benefits. > > > From: lana.m.gibbons@ gmail.com > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700 > Subject: Sex, unhealthy? > > > I can't find any reasons why sex would be unhealthy, it just stumps me. > > > > > > Dan Holt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I had my two year old when I was 27 and she's brilliantly healthy. I was also going to say, when I said sex was necessary, I actually didn't mean for procreation- that may have been misinterpreted. I'm a lesbian and definitely consider sex important for any relationship and as a part of being a healthy adult. From: lana.m.gibbons@... Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:18:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I was 29, almost 30 and my boy is extremely healthy. I think diet/nutrition and overall health of the mother matter more than age. Even some of the birth defects they associate with age also show correlations to lacking nutrients. An older woman on a SAD diet with mercury fillings has had a lot longer to go toxic. Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@... <mailto:danthemanholt%40> >wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Amy Sikes-Dorman wrote: > I had my two year old when I was 27 and she's brilliantly healthy. > > I was also going to say, when I said sex was necessary, I actually > didn't mean for procreation- that may have been misinterpreted. I'm > a lesbian and definitely consider sex important for any relationship > and as a part of being a healthy adult. > <snip> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt > <danthemanholt@...>wrote: > > > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when > their around > > > the age of 18-21? > > This sounds like an old husbands' tale to me! ;-) Jeanmarie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I have a cousin who is an outspoken business man. He's full of shit with everything he says. He said women have the best quality kids at 18. He's probably saying that because his wife had kids after 27 years of age and they're getting sick. They don't have the healthiest habits and he's always full of shit about his health habits. I concur with you. From: Dawn <blaidd1@...> Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 12:30 PM I was 29, almost 30 and my boy is extremely healthy. I think diet/nutrition and overall health of the mother matter more than age. Even some of the birth defects they associate with age also show correlations to lacking nutrients. An older woman on a SAD diet with mercury fillings has had a lot longer to go toxic. Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt <mailto:danthemanho lt%40. com> >wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 What did the father of your child think when he found out your were a lesbian? Was he completely shocked? Did you still get half? From: Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...> Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? " Native Nutrition " < > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:58 AM I had my two year old when I was 27 and she's brilliantly healthy. I was also going to say, when I said sex was necessary, I actually didn't mean for procreation- that may have been misinterpreted. I'm a lesbian and definitely consider sex important for any relationship and as a part of being a healthy adult. From: lana.m.gibbons@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:18:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt>wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well, the father of my child was of the frozen variety, so I think he's blissfully unaware. lol From: danthemanholt@... Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:47:33 -0700 Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? What did the father of your child think when he found out your were a lesbian? Was he completely shocked? Did you still get half? From: Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@...> Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? " Native Nutrition " < > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:58 AM I had my two year old when I was 27 and she's brilliantly healthy. I was also going to say, when I said sex was necessary, I actually didn't mean for procreation- that may have been misinterpreted. I'm a lesbian and definitely consider sex important for any relationship and as a part of being a healthy adult. From: lana.m.gibbons@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:18:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt>wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Dawn, I think you hit the nail on the head here... It makes sense the first child is most likely to be the healthiest child as consecutive children are often too close together and conceived without an appropriate pre-conception diet. Looking at the 3rd or 4th child like that, I can totally see how someone could infer that the younger the woman the better. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Dawn <blaidd1@...>wrote: > I was 29, almost 30 and my boy is extremely healthy. I think > diet/nutrition > and overall health of the mother matter more than age. Even some of the > birth defects they associate with age also show correlations to lacking > nutrients. An older woman on a SAD diet with mercury fillings has had a > lot > longer to go toxic. > > > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 My stepfather, the eldest son of an eldest son, always likes to cite research that supposedly says the first child is the smartest and intelligence declines with each subsequent child... not sure where he got this or whether there's anything to it. It always seemed a bit self-serving to me! And it may reflect the results of the reality that far too many women have been pressured into having children too close together, and on subpar diets. Jeanmarie On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > Dawn, > I think you hit the nail on the head here... > > It makes sense the first child is most likely to be the healthiest > child as > consecutive children are often too close together and conceived > without an > appropriate pre-conception diet. Looking at the 3rd or 4th child > like that, > I can totally see how someone could infer that the younger the woman > the > better. > > -Lana > > " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 That's a bit personal isn't it?? Dawn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Holt Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? What did the father of your child think when he found out your were a lesbian? Was he completely shocked? Did you still get half? From: Amy Sikes-Dorman <amysikesdorman@... <mailto:amysikesdorman%40hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Sex, unhealthy? " Native Nutrition " < <mailto: %40> > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:58 AM I had my two year old when I was 27 and she's brilliantly healthy. I was also going to say, when I said sex was necessary, I actually didn't mean for procreation- that may have been misinterpreted. I'm a lesbian and definitely consider sex important for any relationship and as a part of being a healthy adult. From: lana.m.gibbons@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:18:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? No clue - I had my daughter at 24 and she's unbelieveably healthy. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Holt <danthemanholt@ >wrote: > Is there some truth that women have the healthiest babies when their around > the age of 18-21? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Me and my sisters were all two years and one month apart. December 1 1981, January 8 1983, February 2 1985 I'm the strongest/smartest one out of all of my family and the youngest of three, more capable than the other only childs and second borns from other parts of the family. > Dawn, > I think you hit the nail on the head here... > > It makes sense the first child is most likely to be the healthiest > child as > consecutive children are often too close together and conceived > without an > appropriate pre-conception diet. Looking at the 3rd or 4th child > like that, > I can totally see how someone could infer that the younger the woman > the > better. > > -Lana > > " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 The Oxytocin Factor by Kerstin Uvnas Moberg is an excellent book on the topic. Oxytocin is the bonding hormone and is described as the opposite of the fight or flight response in that it creates calm and connection. I see it as balancing out frantic doingness with slower beingness or presence --- slowing down and connecting on a deeper level. Oxytocin is a stress reliever and a healing hormone. It's not only released during sex but in breastfeeding and in other ways. The book says it much better than I can and I highly recommend it for anyone wanting more info on the health of sex. _________________________________________________________________ found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. lol Being the youngest of 15.. yes, I had health problems but my intelligence is certainly not lacking. Granted, we were a farm family eating grassfed beef, pastured pork, raw milk, raw butter all of which was pretty well organic. Close to a Nourishing Traditions diet actually except white flour and sugar were still in there, I think more so by the time I came along. So I agree that the womans body could be worn out after that many kids BUT I think there is a lot more to the intelligence. Ah, yes, we also ranged from 1 year to 2 years apart. Then there are my own children.. they blow my mind with their intelligence! All three are well ahead of " scheduled " development. My 16 month old is starting to compose complete sentences and frankly I'd have to consider him the healthiest of the three. Jeanmarie Todd wrote: > > > My stepfather, the eldest son of an eldest son, always likes to cite > research that supposedly says the first child is the smartest and > intelligence declines with each subsequent child... not sure where he > got this or whether there's anything to it. It always seemed a bit > self-serving to me! And it may reflect the results of the reality that > far too many women have been pressured into having children too close > together, and on subpar diets. > Jeanmarie > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > > > Dawn, > > I think you hit the nail on the head here... > > > > It makes sense the first child is most likely to be the healthiest > > child as > > consecutive children are often too close together and conceived > > without an > > appropriate pre-conception diet. Looking at the 3rd or 4th child > > like that, > > I can totally see how someone could infer that the younger the woman > > the > > better. > > > > -Lana > > > > " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I too agree that there is more to intelligence. Many of the " twin " studies also show that there is more to intelligence than nature alone; nurture also has a role. That is, there is both a genetic component to intelligence and an environmental component, both of which would be impacted by living conditions and access to food for both mother and fetus. Another anecdotal data point: My mom is probably the most intellectual of all her siblings. She was number 13 out of 14 (though there were 3 sets of twins), and my grandmother was 38 yrs old when my mother was born. They were also all spaced about 2 years apart through lactational amenorrhea. In Mom's early days, they lived on a farm somewhere near Novi Sad (Serbia) and were pretty self-sufficient. However, I would also argue that because of the move to the " New World " in the 1950s, Mom had more access to - and more interest in - educational opportunities than her surviving siblings (the familial death rate in the offspring was high - only 7 survived to adulthood). -jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Like I said, even if the research my stepfather cites is correct about a historical *tendency* for intelligence to decline with each birth in the family, the interpretation (that first-bornes are inevitably smarter) is probably incorrect, and the true cause is probably nutrition and overtaxing the mother's system, not genetics. On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Holt wrote: > Me and my sisters were all two years and one month apart. December > 1 1981, January 8 1983, February 2 1985 > > I'm the strongest/smartest one out of all of my family and the > youngest of three, more capable than the other only childs and > second borns from other parts of the family. > > > > From: Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> > Subject: Re: Sex, unhealthy? > > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 8:42 PM > > > > My stepfather, the eldest son of an eldest son, always likes to cite > > research that supposedly says the first child is the smartest and > > intelligence declines with each subsequent child... not sure where he > > got this or whether there's anything to it. It always seemed a bit > > self-serving to me! And it may reflect the results of the reality that > > far too many women have been pressured into having children too close > > together, and on subpar diets. > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 The bonobo chimps are known for using sex to calm down and promote peaceful social relations within the group. Their hormonal systems are very close to ours so it's probably oxytocin working for them, too. Jeanmarie On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Laree Kline wrote: > The Oxytocin Factor by Kerstin Uvnas Moberg is an excellent book on > the topic. Oxytocin is the bonding hormone and is described as the > opposite of the fight or flight response in that it creates calm and > connection. I see it as balancing out frantic doingness with slower > beingness or presence --- slowing down and connecting on a deeper > level. Oxytocin is a stress reliever and a healing hormone. It's > not only released during sex but in breastfeeding and in other > ways. The book says it much better than I can and I highly > recommend it for anyone wanting more info on the health of sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Oh, , I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with my stepfather's cited research! I think the results came from statistical analysis of tested IQ levels of families where doubtless they didn't space the children sufficiently for the mother to recover, and probably were eating the Standard American Diet, which doesn't support health, much less intelligence! The way my stepfather interpreted the results, that there is an inherent genetic mechanism that reduces the intelligence of each additional child, hasn't been proven. Nutrition and family spacing weren't even considered in the original research, as reported by my stepfather. And like I said, as the eldest son of an eldest son, it was a bit self-serving on his part. I'm the third of four, myself. ;-) Jeanmarie On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Gasper Family Farm wrote: > I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. lol Being the youngest of > 15.. > yes, I had health problems but my intelligence is certainly not > lacking. > Granted, we were a farm family eating grassfed beef, pastured pork, > raw > milk, raw butter all of which was pretty well organic. Close to a > Nourishing Traditions diet actually except white flour and sugar were > still in there, I think more so by the time I came along. So I agree > that the womans body could be worn out after that many kids BUT I > think > there is a lot more to the intelligence. Ah, yes, we also ranged > from 1 > year to 2 years apart. > > Then there are my own children.. they blow my mind with their > intelligence! All three are well ahead of " scheduled " development. > My 16 > month old is starting to compose complete sentences and frankly I'd > have > to consider him the healthiest of the three. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 A lot of families carry stupidity in their genetic line. The results may be inaccurate in whatever tests were done because they were all kind stupid, but the younger people in the family just happened to be even more stupid. Makes sense to me. > I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree. lol Being the youngest of > 15.. > yes, I had health problems but my intelligence is certainly not > lacking. > Granted, we were a farm family eating grassfed beef, pastured pork, > raw > milk, raw butter all of which was pretty well organic. Close to a > Nourishing Traditions diet actually except white flour and sugar were > still in there, I think more so by the time I came along. So I agree > that the womans body could be worn out after that many kids BUT I > think > there is a lot more to the intelligence. Ah, yes, we also ranged > from 1 > year to 2 years apart. > > Then there are my own children.. they blow my mind with their > intelligence! All three are well ahead of " scheduled " development. > My 16 > month old is starting to compose complete sentences and frankly I'd > have > to consider him the healthiest of the three. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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